Re: Setup check..
By: Nicholas Boel to All on Tue Sep 06 2016 04:45 pm

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

Looks like your linked.

Oh, and.. I can still type Bj||rn as well as Bo|2l and they should be okay to keep this message on topic in here. :)

Those must be UTF-8. I see the first one at times but I have never seen the second one before. With this editor I can at least type Bjorn. :)
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Hello All,

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

Oh, and.. I can still type Bj||rn as well as Bo|2l and they should be okay to keep this message on topic in here. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Wilfred,

On 07 Sep 16 00:33, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

You're connected now...

Btw: You do know how AreaFix works, don't you? ;)

Of course. Why would you ask that?

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Alan,

On 06 Sep 16 16:16, Alan Ianson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Those must be UTF-8. I see the first one at times but I have never
seen the second one before. With this editor I can at least type
Bj%rn. :)

Since you're using Synchronet, why not try using nano or vim as your external editor? You won't be able to read them via the BBS, but you will see them the way they were meant to be seen once you enter a UTF-8 capable editor. If you do

decide to use one of those, make sure to use either of them in restricted mode if you decide to offer it as a choice to your users, otherwise they'll be able to load/edit other documents besides the one currently open.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas,

On Tuesday September 06 2016 16:45, you wrote to All:

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

Check! ;-)

Oh, and.. I can still type Bj||rn as well as Bo|2l and they should be
okay to keep this message on topic in here. :)

And that checks out too.


Cheers, Michiel

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Hi,

On 2016-09-06 16:45:00, Nicholas Boel wrote to All:
about: "Setup check..":

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

You're connected now...

Btw: You do know how AreaFix works, don't you? ;)

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hi Nicholas,

On 2016-09-06 20:55:44, you wrote to me:

Btw: You do know how AreaFix works, don't you? ;)

Of course. Why would you ask that?

Because you didn't use it to connect this area on my system... (I found your message in my bad area)

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Alan,

On Tuesday September 06 2016 16:16, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

@MSGID: 39.fido-utf-8@1:153/757.1 1c348459
@REPLY: 1:154/10 57cf3995
@PID: Synchronet 3.17a-Linux Sep 5 2016 GCC 5.3.0
@TZUTC: -0700
@TID: SBBSecho 3.00-Linux r3.20 Sep 5 2016 GCC 5.3.0

No CHRS kludge...

Oh, and.. I can still type Bj||rn as well as Bo|2l and they should be
okay to keep this message on topic in here. :)

Those must be UTF-8.

Of course. This is the UTF-8 echo isn't it?

I see the first one at times but I have never
seen the second one before.

The second "odd character" is the e with threma.

With this editor I can at least type Bj|orn. :)

It doesn't look good on my screen because it is not encoded in UTF-8 but in CP437 instead. You still need to do some tinkering to get your system UTF-8 compatible...

Cheers, Michiel

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Re: Setup check..
By: Michiel van der Vlist to Alan Ianson on Wed Sep 07 2016 09:18 am

No CHRS kludge...

No there isn't. Mystic doesn't add that either. It there a complication in that that makes it difficult for a BBS to add that kludge correctly?

It doesn't look good on my screen because it is not encoded in UTF-8 but in CP437 instead. You still need to do some tinkering to get your system UTF-8 compatible...

I still use CP437 here because the BBS software I use seems to depend on it. I have used a UTF-8 terminal at times just to see how it goes. I know that MBSE and Mystic can output in UTF-8 but they both still use CP437 or maybe LATIN-1 internaly as far as I know.

I need to figure out what keywords I need for golded to use UTF-8 properly and then I'll try it again. I suppose I will still have trouble with Bjorn's name on my keyboard though.

I'm not sure how the BBS would handle posts if I was to run it from a UTF-8 console. Maybe I should try and see what happens.

Is anyone running their BBS from a UTF-8 console? Is that doable or are there problems?

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Hello Wilfred,

On 07 Sep 16 08:43, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Btw: You do know how AreaFix works, don't you? ;)

Of course. Why would you ask that?

Because you didn't use it to connect this area on my system... (I
found your message in my bad area)

You and Bj||rn have been sending me oddball things from echos that were never areafixed here also. I hooked this one directly up to Michiel via areafix and just assumed you had already had me setup, or soon would, so I added you two as

links to stay ahead of the game. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Michiel,

On 07 Sep 16 22:50, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Since you're using Synchronet, why not try using nano or vim as
your external editor?

I use the win version of vi. Is there a win version of nano?

It looks to be mentioned here: https://www.nano-editor.org/dist/v2.6/faw.html#3.9b
And low and behold: https://nano-editor.org/dist/win32-support/

Looks like there's a source for use with cygwin.

.. though I had only mentioned these because it looked to me (by way of his tearline) like the original poster's system was running Linux.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Alan,

On 07 Sep 16 13:39, Alan Ianson wrote to Michiel van der Vlist:

It doesn't look good on my screen because it is not encoded in
UTF-8 but in CP437 instead. You still need to do some tinkering to
get your system UTF-8 compatible...

I still use CP437 here because the BBS software I use seems to depend
on it. I have used a UTF-8 terminal at times just to see how it goes.
I know that MBSE and Mystic can output in UTF-8 but they both still
use CP437 or maybe LATIN-1 internaly as far as I know.

Have you tried switching the CP437/UTF-8 option in Mystic's configuration at all? I don't recall how far along that was.

I need to figure out what keywords I need for golded to use UTF-8
properly and then I'll try it again. I suppose I will still have
trouble with Bjorn's name on my keyboard though.

You can translate a bunch of tables TO UTF-8, but not back. Then again, if you're posting in UTF-8 why would you want to break it back down to something less widely used, so instead, I force my export to UTF-8 and created a blank conversion table called utf8_utf8.chs. This is only to get Golded to send out the proper CHRS kludge (as noted in this message).

I'm not sure how the BBS would handle posts if I was to run it from a UTF-8 console. Maybe I should try and see what happens.

I doubt you'd break anything. Mystic actually has a UTF-8 setting, but I seem to recall it only handling some characters, while trying to keep ANSI compatibility.

Is anyone running their BBS from a UTF-8 console? Is that doable or
are there problems?

I run Synchronet as a daemon, and always have a UTF-8 console without any problems. But I'm not sure if that's what you mean or not.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas,

On Tuesday September 06 2016 20:57, you wrote to Alan Ianson:

Since you're using Synchronet, why not try using nano or vim as your external editor?

I use the win version of vi. Is there a win version of nano?


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Alan,

On Wednesday September 07 2016 13:39, you wrote to me:

No CHRS kludge...

No there isn't. Mystic doesn't add that either. It there a
complication in that that makes it difficult for a BBS to add that
kludge correctly?

All I can say is that my Golded does not display your message correctly because

I have configured it to assume the default encoding for this area is UTF-8. Meaning that when a CHRS kludge is present it will use that to determine the encoding and assume UTF-8 when it is absent.

It is a kludge... Actually when there is no CHRS kludge the "default default" is plain ASCII. A message containing more than just plain 7 bit ASCII /should/ have a CHRS kludge. But what do you do when there is no CHRS kludge and there are non ASCII characters anyway? I assume UTF-8 for this area and CP850 for all

others.

It doesn't look good on my screen because it is not encoded in
UTF-8 but in CP437 instead. You still need to do some tinkering to
get your system UTF-8 compatible...

I still use CP437 here because the BBS software I use seems to depend
on it. I have used a UTF-8 terminal at times just to see how it goes.
I know that MBSE and Mystic can output in UTF-8 but they both still
use CP437 or maybe LATIN-1 internaly as far as I know.

Actually that is DOS think. Windows uses UTF internally. So does *nix for a while.

I need to figure out what keywords I need for golded to use UTF-8
properly and then I'll try it again. I suppose I will still have
trouble with Bj|orn's name on my keyboard though.

It is not the keyboard, it is the keyboard driver. All keyboard are basically the same under the hood. The labeling may be different. I use a keyboard with the standard US international labeling. I have added extra labels for the Cyrillic characters. The umlauts and accents I make with the "dead key method".

The Dutch keyboard driver makes the keys for the single and double quotes, the circumflex and the tilde, dead keys on the first stoke. So to type the o umlaut

in Bj||rn's name, I first press the key for the double quote followed by the o.

To type the accented e in Andr|-, I type the key for the singe quote followed by the e. To type the double or single quote itself, I press that key twice. It

gets used to quickly.



Cheers, Michiel

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I use the win version of vi. Is there a win version of nano?

Yep.

C:\cygwin64\bin>dir nano*

Directory of C:\cygwin64\bin\nano*

10.08.2016 2:37 195 091 nano.exe

'Tommi

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Hello Nicholas!

06 Sep 16 16:45, you wrote to all:

Hello All,

Quick link check to make sure it's hooked up properly.

Oh, and.. I can still type Bj||rn as well as Bo|2l and they should be
okay to keep this message on topic in here. :)

The LiveWire's here now.

Allen


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Hello Allen,

On 09 Sep 16 13:46, Allen Prunty wrote to Nicholas Boel:

The LiveWire's here now.

Good to hear!

... And God said: E = +o||-++o|#-umv+o||-++o|+|| - Ze+o||-++o|+||/r,

See tagline for my response. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Allen,

On Friday September 09 2016 13:46, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

The LiveWire's here now.

Check!

... And God said: E = ||-+|#-umv||-+|+|| - Ze||-+|+||/r, and there was

light!

Hmmm...


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Nicholas,

On Friday September 09 2016 17:04, you wrote to Allen Prunty:

See tagline for my response. :)

... "-Y-| -+-+-#-A. -> -+-|-|-U-i -e-+-+-i-|-+ -C-#-#-+-e-#-A."

-R-+-+ -#-U-| -|-+-#-+-C-A-e,


Cheers, Michiel

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Hello Michiel,



On 10 Sep 16 01:15, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Nicholas Boel:

... "-Y-| -+-+-#-A. -> -+-|-|-U-i -e-+-+-i-|-+ -C-#-#-+-e-#-A."

-R-+-+ -#-U-| -|-+-#-+-C-A-e

:)



Regards,

Nick



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