Hello everybody!

Background....

I have a Raspberry Pi that I'm trying to setup an incoming bash file to toss incoming mail and also to run htick for any tic files. This is what I have now...

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

echo ***** Process inbound mail

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg scan

#if exists [ /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

sudo ./addfiles * -sznf > /home/pi/sbbs/events/adderror.log

These are the errors I see....

[inerror.log]

SBBSecho v3.00-Linux (rev 3.28) - Synchronet FidoNet EchoMail Tosser.
SBBSCTRL environment variable not set.SBBSecho exiting with error level 1, NetMail(0 imported, 0 exported, 0 packed),
EchoMail(0 imported, 0 exported)

[adderror.log]

SBBSCTRL environment variable not set.
Example: SET SBBSCTRL=/sbbs/ctrl

I also added the following to the /etc/profile

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl
export SBBSNODE=/home/pi/sbbs/node1


Now, if I run it from the command line.... this is what I get....

pi@raspberry:~sbbs/exec ./sbbsecho
SBBSecho v3.00-Linux (rev 3.28) - Synchronet FidoNet EchoMail Tosser
Loading configuration files from /home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/
SBBSecho 3.00-Linux r3.28 Jan 4 2017 GCC 4.9.2 invoked with options:
Reading /home/pi/sbbs/data/areas.bbs
Read 97 areas from /home/pi/sbbs/data/areas.bbs

Scanning /home/pi/sbbs/temp/sbbsecho/ for Stray Outbound Packets...

Scanning for Inbound Packets...
Scanning secure inbound: /home/pi/sbbs/sportnet/secure/
Scanning non-secure inbound: /home/pi/sbbs/sportnet/inbound/

Scanning for Inbound NetMail Messages...

Packing Outbound NetMail from /home/pi/sbbs/sbbs/netmail/*.msg ...
Deleting /home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbsecho.bsy (from line 2289)


Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the enviorment not set in the bash file?

Bill


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Hello Bill,

I have a Raspberry Pi that I'm trying to setup an incoming bash file to
toss incoming mail and also to run htick for any tic files. This is what
I have now...

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh
SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

[...]

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl

[...]

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the enviorment notset in the bash file?

First thing I see is a difference in the SBBSCTRL statements used.

Here I use "SBBSCTRL=/home/sbbs/ctrl" But in the home directory of the user the BBS will be running as you could edit the file named either .profile or .bash_profile depending on if you're running bash or sh and add the line:

SBBSCTRL=/home/sbbs/ctrl && export SBBSCTRL

In the above statement replace "/home/sbbs/ctrl" with the full path to your SBBS ctrl directory.

And regarding the BASH statement that you are using. Here I simply use "#!/bin/bash" as the first line of a bash script.


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HIya Jeff..

Jeff Smith wrote to Bill Mcgarrity <=-

I have a Raspberry Pi that I'm trying to setup an incoming bash file to
toss incoming mail and also to run htick for any tic files. This is what
I have now...

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh
SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

[...]

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl

[...]

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the enviorment notset in the bash file?

First thing I see is a difference in the SBBSCTRL statements used.

Well, all I added was the actual file it was looking for... either way, it still doesn't work

Here I use "SBBSCTRL=/home/sbbs/ctrl" But in the home directory of the user the BBS will be running as you could edit the file named either .profile or .bash_profile depending on if you're running bash or sh and add the line:

SBBSCTRL=/home/sbbs/ctrl && export SBBSCTRL

In the above statement replace "/home/sbbs/ctrl" with the full path to your SBBS ctrl directory.

I've added the above statement to the ../pi/.profile and created a file ../pi/.bash_profile and still no luck. I also have those statements in the root /etc/profile.

And regarding the BASH statement that you are using. Here I simply use "#!/bin/bash" as the first line of a bash script.

I changed that...

the script I created is named "inmail.sh". With that being said I would have thought the ../pi/.profile would have worked but I added both none the less. My concern is when I run ./sbbsecho at a command prompt "pi@raspberry:~/sbbs/exec" it works fine... yet, when I try and start the bbs with "./sbbs", it won't start unless I put the path and sbbs.ini filename also. Some see the ctrl directory, some don't. :(



This almost has me bald... lol!!

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Hello Bill,

On Tue Jan 24 2017 15:31:06, Bill McGarrity wrote to All:

Background....

I have a Raspberry Pi that I'm trying to setup an incoming bash file
to toss incoming mail and also to run htick for any tic files. This
is what I have now...

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

Try 'export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl' and you'll have better results.

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

echo ***** Process inbound mail

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg scan

[ CUT BELOW HERE ]

#if exists [ /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss

[ INSTEAD ]

You may want to use an if/then/else statement here, like so:

if [ -f /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]; then
sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss
else

[ then continue with your script ]

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

sudo ./addfiles * -sznf > /home/pi/sbbs/events/adderror.log

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the
enviorment not set in the bash file?

Because in your script you set the SBBSCTRL environment variable to sbbs.ini, and not the CTRL directory where it should be.

Regards,
Nick

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SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

[adderror.log]

SBBSCTRL environment variable not set.
Example: SET SBBSCTRL=/sbbs/ctrl

I also added the following to the /etc/profile

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl
export SBBSNODE=/home/pi/sbbs/node1

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the enviorment not

set in the bash file?

See above, you originally set the SBBSCTRL to the sbbs.ini file, not
the directory. While you setup to export the SBBSCTRL environment
variable properly in your profile, you said you set it up originally to
point to the sbbs.ini file. Did you logoff then login again to re-read
the profile file, once you edited it?
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Hiya Nick...

Accession wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

Hello Bill,

On Tue Jan 24 2017 15:31:06, Bill McGarrity wrote to All:

Background....

I have a Raspberry Pi that I'm trying to setup an incoming bash file
to toss incoming mail and also to run htick for any tic files. This
is what I have now...

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

Try 'export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl' and you'll have better
results.

I've tried everything... still nothing. I've tried all the suggestions and still get enviorment variable not set.

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

echo ***** Process inbound mail

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

I even removed everything at the end so it doesn't post to a log and nadda... but it did come up on the screen...

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg scan

[ CUT BELOW HERE ]

#if exists [ /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]

cd /home/pi/husky/htick

sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss

[ INSTEAD ]

You may want to use an if/then/else statement here, like so:

if [ -f /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]; then
sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss
else

Done.... works perfectly... thank you..

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the
enviorment not set in the bash file?

Because in your script you set the SBBSCTRL environment variable to sbbs.ini, and not the CTRL directory where it should be.

I changed that as I said. Nadda... :/

Please read my reply to John...




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Hiya John...

John Guillory wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

This I orginally put in the script itself. I have since removed the sbbs.ini and it's still doing the same thing.

[adderror.log]

SBBSCTRL environment variable not set.
Example: SET SBBSCTRL=/sbbs/ctrl

I also added the following to the /etc/profile

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl
export SBBSNODE=/home/pi/sbbs/node1

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the enviorment

ot

set in the bash file?

See above, you originally set the SBBSCTRL to the sbbs.ini file, not the directory. While you setup to export the SBBSCTRL environment variable properly in your profile, you said you set it up originally to point to the sbbs.ini file. Did you logoff then login again to re-read the profile file, once you edited it?

As stated above, I made the change in the script. I also rechecked the /etc/profile in root, the /home/pi/.profile and the /home/pi/.bash_profile and added the lines you stated... still getting SBBSCtrl enviorment variable not set. :(



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Hiya Nick...

Accession wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

I've tried everything... still nothing. I've tried all the suggestions and still get enviorment variable not set.

Add I believe it'd be: echo %SBBSCTRL% to your profile script.
Also, I notice below your using sudo ./sbbsecho .... Do you have the
settings for SBBSCTRL in the root profile script? also, is SBBSCTRL all
caps? Just a few things I can think of at the moment...

cd /home/pi/sbbs/exec

echo ***** Process inbound mail

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

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Hiya John...

John Guillory wrote to BILL MCGARRITY <=-

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

As stated above, I made the change in the script. I also rechecked the /etc/profile in root, the /home/pi/.profile and the /home/pi/.bash_profile

and

added the lines you stated... still getting SBBSCtrl enviorment variable not set. :(

/etc/.profile should be the profile that gets ran for every user, /root/.profile would be for the root account, which is what's getting
ran as using sudo ... Try editing the /root/,profile or
/root/.bash_profile and see if that helps...

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Re: Bash file issues...
By: Bill McGarrity to All on Tue Jan 24 2017 15:31:06

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

I don't do much shell scripting, but I'm wondering what the purpose of that line is. Also, do you have a line like this at the start of the script?

#!/bin/bash

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

How is this script being called, and as what user? I suspect you could do away with sudo, though maybe some permissions need to be tweaked. (Since you're getting output from sbbsecho in your log, that implies sudo is working; I'm just wondering.)

I also added the following to the /etc/profile

This brings me back to the shebang line (#!/bin/bash) that should be at the top of the script to identify which interpreter is used. It's possible that this script is being run by something else (sh perhaps) that doesn't pay attention to /etc/profile. (I don't know enough to say which do and don't.)

There are also situations where /etc/profile isn't used, so you may need to export the SBBSCTRL variable from within the user's ~/.bash_profile file.

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#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

I think the above line just is a comment to let him know the name of
the file he's editing....

#!/bin/bash

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

How is this script being called, and as what user? I suspect you could do

away

with sudo, though maybe some permissions need to be tweaked. (Since you're getting output from sbbsecho in your log, that implies sudo is working; I'm just wondering.)

The sudo command implies that the sbbsecho gets called by root,
which is why I recommended him make sure he modifed /root/.profile or /root/.bashprofile ...

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Re: Bash file issues...
By: John Guillory to ECHICKEN on Wed Jan 25 2017 09:00:00

How is this script being called, and as what user? I suspect you
could do away with sudo, though maybe some permissions need to be

The sudo command implies that the sbbsecho gets called by root,

No kidding.

I was curious to know what user account the script was running under. For sudo to actually work in a script without a password prompt, he'd have to have taken some extra steps.

which is why I recommended him make sure he modifed /root/.profile or /root/.bashprofile ...

Sure. At a glance it doesn't look like this stuff should need to be run as root, though.

I suspect the best fix for his problems will come down to .bash_profile, making sure the script runs in bash, and sorting out permissions so that it can just run as a regular user.

Not that it really matters if he wants to go wild and run everything as root:

https://www.garyshood.com/root/

:D

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The sudo command implies that the sbbsecho gets called by root,

No kidding.

I was curious to know what user account the script was running under. For

sudo

to actually work in a script without a password prompt, he'd have to have

taken

some extra steps.

which is why I recommended him make sure he modifed /root/.profile or /root/.bashprofile ...

Sure. At a glance it doesn't look like this stuff should need to be run as root, though.

I suspect the best fix for his problems will come down to .bash_profile,

making

sure the script runs in bash, and sorting out permissions so that it can

just

run as a regular user.

I had similiar problems when running SBBS on my linode, I had to
constantly chown sbbs /sbbs to keep from getting errors writing to file
and message directories, even then, I'd get problems, so finally I
decided to run the BBS as root....

Not that it really matters if he wants to go wild and run everything as

root:

https://www.garyshood.com/root/

I'll have to check it out...
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Re: Bash file issues...
By: John Guillory to ECHICKEN on Wed Jan 25 2017 09:40:00

I had similiar problems when running SBBS on my linode, I had to constantly chown sbbs /sbbs to keep from getting errors writing to file and message directories, even then, I'd get problems, so finally I
decided to run the BBS as root....

I've been running my BBS on linux for quite a few years now (on linode for part of that time - thankfully there are decent, cheaper alternatives now) and have not had those sorts of problems. Normally it's just a matter of specifying the right user and group in the [Unix] section of sbbs.ini.

However if you're running any external tools that create or modify files (say a scanner/tosser as a cron job), it's good to run them as the same user your BBS runs as, or ensure that group membership and permissions are set accordingly.

https://www.garyshood.com/root/

I'll have to check it out...

It's just something of a joke page; mildly amusing and I'm reminded of it whenever this sort of topic comes up.

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echicken wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

#/bin/bash/inmail.sh

I don't do much shell scripting, but I'm wondering what the purpose of that line is. Also, do you have a line like this at the start of the script?

That line above is a comment.

#!/bin/bash

Yes, I strongly recommend the script should specify the shell to use. Saves confusing errors, especially when porting between different systems (which may have a different default shell - e.g. Debian).

sudo ./sbbsecho -LESRFD! > /home/pi/sbbs/events/inerror.log

How is this script being called, and as what user? I suspect you could
do away with sudo, though maybe some permissions need to be tweaked. (Since you're getting output from sbbsecho in your log, that implies
sudo is working; I'm just wondering.)

Agree, I would expect sbbsecho to be run as the user SBBS is running under.

I also added the following to the /etc/profile

This brings me back to the shebang line (#!/bin/bash) that should be at the top of the script to identify which interpreter is used. It's possible that this script is being run by something else (sh perhaps)
that doesn't pay attention to /etc/profile. (I don't know enough to
say which do and don't.)

And when you use cron, things change again. If a script requires a variable set, I will generally set it in the script, or at least check before setting (so I can feed different environments to it, if I need to).

There are also situations where /etc/profile isn't used, so you may
need to export the SBBSCTRL variable from within the user's ~/.bash_profile file.

I do this too, more for my own ease of use, as well as having /sbbs/exec in my PATH. :)

In any case, think we need more information as to what's going on. :)

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I had similiar problems when running SBBS on my linode, I had to constantly chown sbbs /sbbs to keep from getting errors writing to
file and message directories, even then, I'd get problems, so finally I decided to run the BBS as root....

sually means something is being run by root when it shouldn't, either automatically or by hand. I have no permissions issues on my Pi, I run the system as a normal user.


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echicken wrote to John Guillory <=-

I've been running my BBS on linux for quite a few years now (on linode
for part of that time - thankfully there are decent, cheaper
alternatives now) and have not had those sorts of problems. Normally
it's just a matter of specifying the right user and group in the [Unix] section of sbbs.ini.

Yeah no dramas here either.

However if you're running any external tools that create or modify
files (say a scanner/tosser as a cron job), it's good to run them as
the same user your BBS runs as, or ensure that group membership and permissions are set accordingly.

I just use the BBS user's crontab for all cron jobs on my system, works fine.

https://www.garyshood.com/root/

I'll have to check it out...

It's just something of a joke page; mildly amusing and I'm reminded of
it whenever this sort of topic comes up.

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Re: Re: Bash file issues...
By: Tony Langdon to echicken on Thu Jan 26 2017 19:27:00

I just use the BBS user's crontab for all cron jobs on my system, works fine.

Yep, that's usually the way to go. I tend to use Synchronet's own timed events when possible; requires a little less extra setup if you move your BBS to another machine (not that it comes up often).

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Hello Bill,

On Wed Jan 25 2017 16:58:00, Bill McGarrity wrote to Accession:

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

Try 'export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl' and you'll have better
results.

I've tried everything... still nothing. I've tried all the
suggestions and still get enviorment variable not set.

Apparantly, you missed something. In your line above, there is no "export". Is that still an issue that may have been overlooked?

I even removed everything at the end so it doesn't post to a log and nadda... but it did come up on the screen...

You can continue to post to your logs, as that's not the issue. The issue, specifically, is the environment variable.

You may want to use an if/then/else statement here, like so:

if [ -f /home/pi/sbbs/secure/*.tic ]; then
sudo ./htick -c htick.cfg toss
else

Done.... works perfectly... thank you..

Why if I'm telling it where the SBBSCRTL is and I getting the
enviorment not set in the bash file?

Because in your script you set the SBBSCTRL environment variable
to sbbs.ini, and not the CTRL directory where it should be.

I changed that as I said. Nadda... :/

Please read my reply to John...

If you're forgetting the word "export" at the beginning of the line that sets your environment variable in your script, that is definitely the problem.. and means you misread my original reply above.

Also, "export" should probably be in your /etc/profile as well, if it is not already. If you have that line in any other files (ie: .bashrc or bash_profile or whatever), remove them. You're getting too excited and adding that line in a

bunch of unnecessary places.

Regards,
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Hello Bill,

On Wed Jan 25 2017 16:54:00, Bill McGarrity wrote to John Guillory:

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

This I orginally put in the script itself. I have since removed the sbbs.ini and it's still doing the same thing.

And with or without sbbs.ini, the command is wrong without "export" at the beginning, just like you seemed to have put into your /etc/profile below..

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl
export SBBSNODE=/home/pi/sbbs/node1

As stated above, I made the change in the script. I also rechecked
the /etc/profile in root, the /home/pi/.profile and the /home/pi/.bash_profile and added the lines you stated... still getting SBBSCtrl enviorment variable not set. :(

Maybe not enough changes in your script?

Adding it to .profile and .bash_profile is unnecessary. /etc/profile is system-wide, and anything starting with a period in your home directory is for that user only, and not system-wide.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello John,

On Wed Jan 25 2017 06:14:00, John Guillory wrote to BILL MCGARRITY:

should be the profile that gets ran for every user, /root/.profile
would be for the root account, which is what's getting ran as using
sudo ... Try editing the /root/,profile or /root/.bash_profile and
see if that helps...

Please don't encourage him to add that line in multiple places where it is not needed.

/etc/profile is the system-wide profile for every user (and admin) that logs in

to the system. If he has it there, he doesn't need to put it anywhere else except possibly the script he is actually executing. And the only reason I suggest it in the actual script is because when sbbs is start up at boot time, it's not logged into a tty console, so it may not be using /etc/profile.

However, if he is logging in as user "pi" and executing sbbs via the command line, then /etc/profile would definitely be used and setting the environment variable in the script would be unnecessary. I'm guessing that's not what he's aiming for, though.. since most people want their system automated and able to recover if rebooted or mistakenly shut down.

I have a feeling he's just missing the word "export" in the script.

Regards,
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Hiya Nick...

Accession wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

On Wed Jan 25 2017 16:54:00, Bill McGarrity wrote to John Guillory:

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

This I orginally put in the script itself. I have since removed the sbbs.ini and it's still doing the same thing.

And with or without sbbs.ini, the command is wrong without "export" at
the beginning, just like you seemed to have put into your /etc/profile below..

export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl
export SBBSNODE=/home/pi/sbbs/node1

As stated above, I made the change in the script. I also rechecked
the /etc/profile in root, the /home/pi/.profile and the /home/pi/.bash_profile and added the lines you stated... still getting SBBSCtrl enviorment variable not set. :(

Maybe not enough changes in your script?

The issue was with "sudo".... I removed it and poof!!

Adding it to .profile and .bash_profile is unnecessary. /etc/profile is system-wide, and anything starting with a period in your home directory
is for that user only, and not system-wide.

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me. That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Thanks for all your help as usual!!


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@VIA: ECBBS
However if you're running any external tools that create or modify files

(say a

scanner/tosser as a cron job), it's good to run them as the same user your

BBS

runs as, or ensure that group membership and permissions are set

accordingly.
As far as I remember, I ran everything as the SBBSUser.

https://www.garyshood.com/root/

I'll have to check it out...

It's just something of a joke page; mildly amusing and I'm reminded of it whenever this sort of topic comes up.

Way too funny! Demanding that VLC removed their idiotic and
unnecessary root check! I love it!
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echicken wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

I just use the BBS user's crontab for all cron jobs on my system, works fine.

Yep, that's usually the way to go. I tend to use Synchronet's own
timed events when possible; requires a little less extra setup if you
move your BBS to another machine (not that it comes up often).

Good point, I'm just too used to using cron. :)


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Hello Bill,

On Thu Jan 26 2017 13:29:00, Bill McGarrity wrote to Accession:

The issue was with "sudo".... I removed it and poof!!

Adding it to .profile and .bash_profile is unnecessary.
/etc/profile is system-wide, and anything starting with a period
in your home directory is for that user only, and not
system-wide.

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me.
That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to
echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Ah, I seemed to have missed that part. Was looking more at the actual contents of the script than how you were executing it. :)

Regards,
Nick

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@VIA: PHARCYDE

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me.
That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

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John Guillory wrote to ACCESSION <=-

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@VIA: PHARCYDE

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me.
That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

Actually from reading the /etc/profile, it's universal for all users so no need for the /.profile you spoke of.


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Hello John,

On Thu Jan 26 2017 06:01:00, John Guillory wrote to ACCESSION:

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

Or because there's no such thing as /etc/.profile in any Linux distribution that I know of! :|

Regards,
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John Guillory wrote to ACCESSION <=-

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me. That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

Actually from reading the /etc/profile, it's universal for all users so no

need

for the /.profile you spoke of.

Then explain why removing the sudo fixed his problem with the
environment variable not being found! I double-dog-dare you to put a
line in your /etc/profile that says echo "I'm an idiot" then log in as
root and see if it displays....

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Re: Re: Bash file issues...
By: John Guillory to BILL MCGARRITY on Thu Jan 26 2017 07:25:00

Hiya John...

Then explain why removing the sudo fixed his problem with the
environment variable not being found! I double-dog-dare you to put a
line in your /etc/profile that says echo "I'm an idiot" then log in
as root and see if it displays....

LOL.... it's working now... I dare not fly in the face of success.... :)


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Re: Re: Bash file issues...
By: John Guillory to BILL MCGARRITY on Thu Jan 26 2017 07:25:00

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

This isn't strictly true (if you ignore the misplaced period), but does apply in the case of running something via sudo.

Actually from reading the /etc/profile, it's universal for all users
so no need for the /.profile you spoke of.

Then explain why removing the sudo fixed his problem with the
environment variable not being found! I double-dog-dare you to put a

He was taking a poke at '/etc/.profile' vs. '/etc/profile'.

line in your /etc/profile that says echo "I'm an idiot" then log in as root and see if it displays....

Do the same, then do 'sudo su -'. I find myself logged in as root and being told I'm an idiot. :D

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On 2017 Jan 26 08:07:30, you wrote to Bill McGarrity:

SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl/sbbs.ini

Try 'export SBBSCTRL=/home/pi/sbbs/ctrl' and you'll have better
results.

I've tried everything... still nothing. I've tried all the
suggestions and still get enviorment variable not set.

Apparantly, you missed something. In your line above, there is no

"export".

Is that still an issue that may have been overlooked?

in my bash scripts i never use "export" unless i want the environment variable to be available outside of the script... that's pretty rare and i even go to the point of using "unset" to remove my environment variables when i'm finished
with them...

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On 2017 Jan 26 06:01:00, you wrote to ACCESSION:

@VIA: PHARCYDE

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told me. That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

besides that, there's no such thing as /etc/.profile so it can't be used anyway
;)

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On 2017 Jan 26 07:25:00, you wrote to BILL MCGARRITY:

Yes, it is added in the /etc/profile as you originally told

me.

That's why I was confused it wouldn't find it but as I said to echicken, removing sudo did the trick!!

Because root doesn't run /etc/.profile!

Actually from reading the /etc/profile, it's universal for all users so

no need -> for the /.profile you spoke of.

Then explain why removing the sudo fixed his problem with the
environment variable not being found!

that's easy... using sudo is not the same as running as root... using sudo one does not always get the same environment that the root user has...


https://www.google.com/search?q=sudo+environment


http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/16084/what-environment-do-i-get-with-sudo

http://stackoverflow.com/questions/8633461/how-to-keep-environment-variables-when-using-sudo

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/202383/how-to-pass-environment-variable-to-sudo-su

http://askubuntu.com/questions/57915/environment-variables-when-run-with-sudo

I double-dog-dare you to put a line in your /etc/profile that says
echo "I'm an idiot" then log in as root and see if it displays....

that's something completely different...

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On 2017 Jan 26 21:44:32, you wrote to John Guillory:

Then explain why removing the sudo fixed his problem with the
environment variable not being found! I double-dog-dare you to put a
line in your /etc/profile that says echo "I'm an idiot" then log in
as root and see if it displays....

LOL.... it's working now... I dare not fly in the face of success.... :)

but you should learn why it works now and didn't before ;)

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Re: Bash file issues...
By: mark lewis to Bill McGarrity on Sat Jan 28 2017 13:36:34

Hiya mark...

LOL.... it's working now... I dare not fly in the face of success.... :)

but you should learn why it works now and didn't before ;)

It was do to the 'sudo' before the ./sbbsecho from the testing I did. As I said, I tried everything with regard to the suggestions I was given for the /.profile and the /.bash_profile under user pi. I already had the SBBSCTRL
set in /etc/profile. That was an earlier discussion with Nick.


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On 2017 Jan 28 14:33:18, you wrote to me:

LOL.... it's working now... I dare not fly in the face of
success.... :)

but you should learn why it works now and didn't before ;)

It was do to the 'sudo' before the ./sbbsecho from the testing I did.

yes but why? why did "sudo" do that?? that's the part to be learned and understood ;)

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Re: Bash file issues...
By: mark lewis to Bill McGarrity on Sat Jan 28 2017 21:10:00

Hiya mark...

It was do to the 'sudo' before the ./sbbsecho from the testing I did.

yes but why? why did "sudo" do that?? that's the part to be learned
and understood ;)

As I understand it... sudo allows anyone to become a superuser and being I
was running under 'pi', it would not allow the variable to be set properly. Being /etc/profile already has it set for all users... that was creating an issue. That's the way I see it... could be wrong... yes?? no???


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On 2017 Jan 28 23:43:02, you wrote to me:

It was do to the 'sudo' before the ./sbbsecho from the testing I

did.

yes but why? why did "sudo" do that?? that's the part to be learned
and understood ;)

As I understand it... sudo allows anyone to become a superuser and
being I was running under 'pi', it would not allow the variable to be
set properly. Being /etc/profile already has it set for all users...
that was creating an issue. That's the way I see it... could be
wrong... yes?? no???

i'm trying to gently push you to the sudo docs where it is explained ;)


-E, --preserve-env
Indicates to the security policy that the user wishes to preserve their existing environment variables. The security policy may return an error if the
user does not have permission to preserve the environment.

-i, --login
Run the shell specified by the target user's password database entry as a login
shell. This means that login-specific resource files such as .profile or .login will be read by the shell. If a command is specified, it is passed to the shell for execution via the shell's -c option. If no command is specified,
an interactive shell is executed. sudo attempts to change to that user's home directory before running the shell. The command is run with an environment similar to the one a user would receive at log in. The Command Environment section in the sudoers(5) manual documents how the -i option affects the environment in which a command is run when the sudoers policy is in use.


plus i posted some links the other day explaining the environment thing with sudo...


but the main point is that you found out that you didn't even need to execute sudo to start with... not sure what made you think that you needed to do that but you learned something from it ;)

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mark lewis wrote to Bill McGarrity <=-

On 2017 Jan 28 23:43:02, you wrote to me:

It was do to the 'sudo' before the ./sbbsecho from the testing I

did.

yes but why? why did "sudo" do that?? that's the part to be learned
and understood ;)

As I understand it... sudo allows anyone to become a superuser and
being I was running under 'pi', it would not allow the variable to be
set properly. Being /etc/profile already has it set for all users...
that was creating an issue. That's the way I see it... could be
wrong... yes?? no???

i'm trying to gently push you to the sudo docs where it is explained ;)

I understand... I'm starting to get the hang of it.... slowly... but I'm dealing with it. I've put together other bash files since then and they're all working just fine. <fingers crossed>

-E, --preserve-env
Indicates to the security policy that the user wishes to preserve their existing environment variables. The security policy may return an
error if the user does not have permission to preserve the environment.

-i, --login
Run the shell specified by the target user's password database entry as
a login shell. This means that login-specific resource files such as .profile or .login will be read by the shell. If a command is
specified, it is passed to the shell for execution via the shell's -c option. If no command is specified, an interactive shell is executed. sudo attempts to change to that user's home directory before running
the shell. The command is run with an environment similar to the one a user would receive at log in. The Command Environment section in the sudoers(5) manual documents how the -i option affects the environment
in which a command is run when the sudoers policy is in use.

I ahve some linux books on order that should be here in a couple of days. Will give me some material to read before I crash at night.. :)

plus i posted some links the other day explaining the environment thing with sudo...

I saw and appreciate..

but the main point is that you found out that you didn't even need to execute sudo to start with... not sure what made you think that you
needed to do that but you learned something from it ;)

Yup... and for now, being I'm using ONLY sbbsecho as a hub, I don't even have to use sudo for SBBS as I'm not running the bbs for the lower ports.... :)

I plan on getting hpt and htick running on it one day but that is in the future when I get more familiar.... :) Baby steps...


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