Hi,

I was running a "dirty" upgrade of Synchronet a couple of weeks ago, and even since I am having some things not working too well ever since.
I had to re-add the timed events as the BBS stopped polling echomail between others.
Guys, do you know if is there anyway of EXPORTING or dumping all the configurations and re-importing them back again into a fresh new install?

Many thanks!\\

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to All on Fri Jul 13 2018 07:55 pm

Guys, do you know if is there anyway of EXPORTING or dumping all the configurations and re-importing them back again into a fresh new install?

I believe Synchronet stores its settings in the ctrl directory. You should be able to copy that to a new install and use the settings in there.

Nightfox

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to All on Fri Jul 13 2018 07:55 pm

Hi,

I was running a "dirty" upgrade of Synchronet a couple of weeks ago, and even since I am having some things not working too well ever since.
I had to re-add the timed events as the BBS stopped polling echomail between others.
Guys, do you know if is there anyway of EXPORTING or dumping all the configurations and re-importing them back again into a fresh new install?

Just copy the configuration files.
http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#migration

But whatever problem you're having is likely in one of those configuration files. I'm not sure what a "dirty" upgrade is.

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Fri Jul 13 2018 05:09 pm

But whatever problem you're having is likely in one of those configuration files. I'm not sure what a "dirty" upgrade is.

Dirty upgrade means that I have upgraded over the live system.
Instead of taking backups, and upgrading the system, I just did it straight over it with the Synchronet installation commands 'make install SYMLINK=1'

SOmething didn't go too well there as I was explaining before..

Thanks Digital Man.

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Fri Jul 13 2018 05:09 pm

Just copy the configuration files. http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#migration

But whatever problem you're having is likely in one of those configuration files. I'm not sure what a "dirty" upgrade is.

Digital Man,

I did reverted the configuration area.bbs wise and that fixed the linked node issue but I wonder how can I removed the messages entirely?

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

But it doesn't seem to work like that. Not sure what I might be missing in the whole process as I am trying to remove the subgroup entirely as it got about 2000 echomail groups and it takes increidibly long for the users to Load the Message Pointers at loging in.
At the present I have stopped the polling and un-registered myself from the serving hub to stop making the mess even bigger.

Apologies for the question, but as usual thanks for all your help --->RainManHood<---

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sat Jul 14 2018 06:26 am

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Fri Jul 13 2018 05:09 pm

But whatever problem you're having is likely in one of those configuration files. I'm not sure what a "dirty" upgrade is.

Dirty upgrade means that I have upgraded over the live system.

That's a normal upgrade, to me.

Instead of taking backups, and upgrading the system, I just did it straight over it with the Synchronet installation commands 'make install SYMLINK=1'

If that is indeed what you did, yeah, that'd be wrong and likely over-write your configuration files. The proper update from CVS instructions are here: http://wiki.synchro.net/install:nix#updating

SOmething didn't go too well there as I was explaining before..

And it likely can be fixed if you give details.

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sat Jul 14 2018 08:30 pm

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Fri Jul 13 2018 05:09 pm

Just copy the configuration files. http://wiki.synchro.net/faq:misc#migration

But whatever problem you're having is likely in one of those configuration files. I'm not sure what a "dirty" upgrade is.

Digital Man,

I did reverted the configuration area.bbs wise and that fixed the linked node issue but I wonder how can I removed the messages entirely?

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

But it doesn't seem to work like that. Not sure what I might be missing in the whole process as I am trying to remove the subgroup entirely as it got about 2000 echomail groups and it takes increidibly long for the users to Load the Message Pointers at loging in.
At the present I have stopped the polling and un-registered myself from the serving hub to stop making the mess even bigger.

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message pointers?

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sat Jul 14 2018 02:18 pm

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message pointers?

Yes, that's what I am experiencing and I am not sure if I can improve/fix that somehow.

On the other hard, and based on the previous steps I provided to remove the messages

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

It doesn't seem to remove everything, I still have the slow Message Pointers load on/happening, and it starts complaining:

14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEAMO: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEAVI: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBECKR: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDOP: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWE: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWF: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWG: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWH: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEEKS: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEENZ: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEEOT: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru


I think that 2000 Usenet message injection has been a bad idea, too much for the system to cope with. For some reason I thought I could do that but the experience hasn't been too positive.

And yeah, the Pointer Loading is just incredibly slow, and I don't know howI can speed up all that.

I have tried to turn some boards of for a user, but not impact.

SO, I got 2 subjects there (at least):

* the slow loading
* how canI remove the boards properly as it seems I am missing / not doing something right.

Thank yoy so much for the help Rob.

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message
pointers?

Digital Man,

before I forget in case it's relevant, I got the following:

SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages = 0

many thanks

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message
pointers?

Yes, that's what I am experiencing and I am not sure if I can improve/fix that somehow.
On the other hard, and based on the previous steps I provided to remove the messages

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

It doesn't seem to remove everything, I still have the slow Message Pointers load on/happening, and it starts complaining:

14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEAMO: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEAVI: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBECKR: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDOP: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWE: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWF: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWG: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEDWH: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEEKS: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEENZ: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru
14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEEOT: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru

Digital Man,
I finally managed to have all sorted.
I had a massive mess between the sub-boards + the areas.bbs file. The amount of stuff was just massive and I was literally getting lost in translation there.

I just restore an old copy of the areas.bbs file + removed all the sub-boards. Waited a bit and Now it's all back to Normality. Loading pointers as it should.

It has been an interesting experience to load 2000 + boards. It was just bringing the Box to it's knees. 1 CPU/Core was all the way up to 100% and I had setup 10 nodes!!! So I coudn't imagine having jsut 4 simultaneous users!!

I can see the limitation now, anywhow do you see a way of getting all those many boards and still keeping the service just working all right?

Anyway of users login in without the whole Message Point Loding issue?

Just wondering if there is a way around or I am just asking for an impossible.

Many thanks for all guys.

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sat Jul 14 2018 02:18 pm

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message pointers?

Yes, that's what I am experiencing and I am not sure if I can improve/fix that somehow.

Are all users having a problem with slow loading of message pointers, or just you (the sysop), or just guest, or what?

The pointers are stored in the data/user/ptrs/*.tab files. Are any of these files much larger than the others?

On the other hard, and based on the previous steps I provided to remove the messages

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

It doesn't seem to remove everything, I still have the slow Message Pointers load on/happening,

Double-check those ptrs/*.tab files. They're ASCII text files too, so you can just read them. You could even delete or rename one (e.g. 0001.tab) if you want to experiment.

and it starts complaining:

14-07-2018 06:51:29 USENETALALTBEAMO: Unrecognized internal code, assumed passthru

"it" in this case is SBBSecho, I presume. This means you have the internal code "USENETALAL..." in your data/areas.bbs file but it is not in your SCFG->Message Areas. Either remove the areas from your areas.bbs or just ignore the warnings.

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:16 am

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message
pointers?

Digital Man,

before I forget in case it's relevant, I got the following:

SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages = 0

That setting only impacts new user account creation and "0" would be the fastest possible setting there.

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 03:02 pm

It has been an interesting experience to load 2000 + boards. It was just bringing the Box to it's knees. 1 CPU/Core was all the way up to 100% and I had setup 10 nodes!!! So I coudn't imagine having jsut 4 simultaneous users!!

I can see the limitation now, anywhow do you see a way of getting all those many boards and still keeping the service just working all right?

With a faster system perhaps. Do you really think you have enough users that will access even one percent of 2000+ message areas? That seems unlikely.

In any case, I'm sure there's some improvements and optimizations we could make to handle "a lot" of message areas faster, but generally that's nothing something that BBS sysops and users want. Still, I'll add it to the todo list.

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sun Jul 15 2018 10:00 pm

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sat Jul 14 2018 02:18 pm

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message pointers?

Yes, that's what I am experiencing and I am not sure if I can improve/fix that somehow.

Are all users having a problem with slow loading of message pointers, or just you (the sysop), or just guest, or what?

The pointers are stored in the data/user/ptrs/*.tab files. Are any of these files much larger than the others?

Sorry, I mispoke, as of March this year, message pointers (in sbbs v3.17) are stored in data/user/*.subs files (e.g. 0001.subs where "0001" is user #1's message sub-board config/new-scan pointer values).

digital man

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sun Jul 15 2018 10:00 pm

On the other hard, and based on the previous steps I provided to
remove the messages

I have done the following:
* remove message sub board from scfg
* remove Grouphub identifier from sbbsecho.ini
* Remove anything related from the areas.bbs file

It doesn't seem to remove everything, I still have the slow Message
Pointers load on/happening,

Double-check those ptrs/*.tab files. They're ASCII text files too, so you can just read them. You could even delete or rename one (e.g. 0001.tab) if you want to experiment.

ah! I didn't know that..
Thanks ! I will also have a look at that !

"it" in this case is SBBSecho, I presume. This means you have the internal code "USENETALAL..." in your data/areas.bbs file but it is not in your SCFG->Message Areas. Either remove the areas from your areas.bbs or just ignore the warnings.

yes!
I managed to get rid of them in the end!!
I had to work between the bbs areas file and the Message Areas as yoiu suggested. That has reduce the noise a lot!!

thanks Digital Man!

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sun Jul 15 2018 10:01 pm

Re: Backup scg configs
By: Rmh to Digital Man on Sun Jul 15 2018 07:05 am

So what is the current problem, just the slow loading of message
pointers?

SCFG->System->New User Values->Days of New Messages = 0

That setting only impacts new user account creation and "0" would be the fastest possible setting there.

Ah.... perfect... Taking note of that..

Thanks!

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Re: Backup scg configs
By: Digital Man to Rmh on Sun Jul 15 2018 10:05 pm

With a faster system perhaps. Do you really think you have enough users that will access even one percent of 2000+ message areas? That seems unlikely.

In any case, I'm sure there's some improvements and optimizations we could make to handle "a lot" of message areas faster, but generally that's nothing something that BBS sysops and users want. Still, I'll add it to the todo list.

Someone came up with an idea, to break all those feeds between different Directories. So to split the load and spread it across different directories.

I will get back with the outcome of it... (it will take me a few days but I will try first a couple of batches of we say 200 Message Boads each).. --->RainManHood<---

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