• Line stripping

    From Joe Delahaye@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Mar 1 18:20:10 2017
    Hi Rob

    Is there a reason that empty lines at the end of a message are stripped? If I do not enter some CR and then insert either a period or some sort of signature, the sbbsecho id is appended quite often to the end of the last line. If I do give at least one CR, it will appear as the last line.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Joe Delahaye on Wed Mar 1 22:40:44 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Wed Mar 01 2017 06:20 pm

    Hi Rob

    Is there a reason that empty lines at the end of a message are stripped?

    Because they serve no purpose.

    If
    I do not enter some CR and then insert either a period or some sort of signature, the sbbsecho id is appended quite often to the end of the last line. If I do give at least one CR, it will appear as the last line.

    Can you elaborate or provide an example? That doesn't sound like normal behavior.

    digital man

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Digital Man on Thu Mar 2 09:52:40 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: Digital Man to Joe Delahaye on Wed Mar 01 2017 22:40:45

    Is there a reason that empty lines at the end of a message are
    stripped?

    Because they serve no purpose.

    If
    I do not enter some CR and then insert either a period or some sort of
    signature, the sbbsecho id is appended quite often to the end of the
    last line. If I do give at least one CR, it will appear as the last
    line.

    Can you elaborate or provide an example? That doesn't sound like normal behavior.


    Something like this.

    this is a sample text. ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Or,

    This is a sample text.
    ...SBBSecho.ver3.x

    When I would like it to be thusly

    Sample Text

    ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Joe Delahaye on Thu Mar 2 08:10:58 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: Joe Delahaye to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2017 09:52 am

    Re: Line stripping
    By: Digital Man to Joe Delahaye on Wed Mar 01 2017 22:40:45

    Is there a reason that empty lines at the end of a message are
    stripped?

    Because they serve no purpose.

    If
    I do not enter some CR and then insert either a period or some sort of
    signature, the sbbsecho id is appended quite often to the end of the
    last line. If I do give at least one CR, it will appear as the last
    line.

    Can you elaborate or provide an example? That doesn't sound like normal behavior.


    Something like this.

    this is a sample text. ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Or,

    This is a sample text.
    ...SBBSecho.ver3.x

    When I would like it to be thusly

    Sample Text

    ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Have a nice day.

    I'm not seeing that. Here's an example:

    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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    Looks fine to me.

    digital man

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Mar 2 15:44:38 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Mar 02 2017 08:10:58, Digital Man wrote to Joe Delahaye:

    When I would like it to be thusly

    Sample Text

    ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Have a nice day.

    I'm not seeing that. Here's an example:

    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)

    Looks fine to me.

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho 3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a signature.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Mar 3 00:26:58 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Mar 02 2017 03:44 pm

    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Mar 02 2017 08:10:58, Digital Man wrote to Joe Delahaye:

    When I would like it to be thusly

    Sample Text

    ...SBBSecho ver3.x


    Have a nice day.

    I'm not seeing that. Here's an example:

    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)

    Looks fine to me.

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho 3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a signature.

    But that's not what he said. He said the SBBSecho version was appended to the last line of text. <shrug>

    digital man

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Digital Man on Fri Mar 3 07:11:12 2017

    On 2017 Mar 03 00:26:58, you wrote to Accession:

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho
    3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a
    signature.

    But that's not what he said. He said the SBBSecho version was appended to the last line of text. <shrug>

    a lot of times his text ends up looking like this... i don't recall if it comes
    in like that or if it gets wrapped like that when quoted, though...

    Have a nice day. --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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    he was trying to say tear line but...

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Mar 3 06:43:24 2017
    On 3/3/2017 2:26 AM, Digital Man -> Accession wrote:

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho
    3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a
    signature.

    But that's not what he said. He said the SBBSecho version was appended
    to the last line of text. <shrug>

    He mentioned both situations in his original message. What you're replying to was the first, and I'm completely uncertain as to why this would happen.

    I was replying about his second situation, where there is no blank line between

    his text and his tear line/footer information. Apologies for the confusion.

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    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Sun Mar 5 17:45:54 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Fri Mar 03 2017 07:11 am


    On 2017 Mar 03 00:26:58, you wrote to Accession:

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho
    3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a
    signature.

    But that's not what he said. He said the SBBSecho version was appended to the last line of text. <shrug>

    a lot of times his text ends up looking like this... i don't recall if it comes
    in like that or if it gets wrapped like that when quoted, though...

    Have a nice day. --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)

    he was trying to say tear line but...

    If it's a quoting issue, there's really nothing to be done about that.

    digital man

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Digital Man on Sun Mar 5 22:14:48 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: Digital Man to Accession on Fri Mar 03 2017 00:26:58

    I'm not seeing that. Here's an example:

    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)

    Looks fine to me.

    He wants a blank line between "Have a nice day." and "---SBBSecho
    3.00-Win32", which is currently impossible unless you setup a
    signature.

    But that's not what he said. He said the SBBSecho version was appended to the last line of text. <shrug>


    Yes I did mention that at times that is what happens. The way you quoted it up above is the norm, and Nick is correct. A blank line between the last line of text, and/or the signature (Have a nice day) would separate things better.


    Have a nice day.
    --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Digital Man on Mon Mar 6 12:09:10 2017

    On 2017 Mar 05 17:45:54, you wrote to me:

    a lot of times his text ends up looking like this... i don't recall
    if it comes in like that or if it gets wrapped like that when quoted,
    though...

    Have a nice day. --- SBBSecho 3.00-Win32
    * Origin: The Lions Den BBS, Trenton, On, CDN (1:249/303)

    he was trying to say tear line but...

    If it's a quoting issue, there's really nothing to be done about that.

    leaving that last blank line before adding the tear and origin line might do the trick... or strip'em all out as is currently done and then add one blank line before the tear line is added ;) O:)

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to mark lewis on Mon Mar 6 09:55:56 2017
    Re: Line stripping
    By: mark lewis to Digital Man on Mon Mar 06 2017 12:09 pm

    If it's a quoting issue, there's really nothing to be done about that.

    leaving that last blank line before adding the tear and origin line might do the trick... or strip'em all out as is currently done and then add one blank line before the tear line is added ;) O:)

    But some people might *not* want a blank line before their tear line:

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    If it's just a quoting issue, I don't really think it's an issue. Not all quoters word-wrap and those that do could make concessions for tear-lines.

    digital man

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Digital Man on Mon Mar 6 19:11:42 2017
    Hi,

    On 2017-03-06 09:55:57, Digital Man wrote to mark lewis:
    about: "Line stripping":

    leaving that last blank line before adding the tear and origin line
    might do the trick... or strip'em all out as is currently done and then
    add one blank line before the tear line is added ;) O:)

    But some people might *not* want a blank line before their tear line:

    Why not just leave the linefeeds at the end of a message as the user put them there? If he didn't intend that, he shouldn't have typed them! ;)

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Mar 6 13:04:32 2017
    Re: Re: Line stripping
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Digital Man on Mon Mar 06 2017 07:11 pm

    Hi,

    On 2017-03-06 09:55:57, Digital Man wrote to mark lewis:
    about: "Line stripping":

    leaving that last blank line before adding the tear and origin line
    might do the trick... or strip'em all out as is currently done and then
    add one blank line before the tear line is added ;) O:)

    But some people might *not* want a blank line before their tear line:

    Why not just leave the linefeeds at the end of a message as the user put them there? If he didn't intend that, he shouldn't have typed them! ;)

    I think that decision goes way back (1990ish): new BBS users wouldn't know how to save the message in the editor they were using, so they would just hold down the enter key until they ran out of available lines or got a message telling them how to save and quit. These kinds of messages are pretty irritating in your new-msg-scan, so I decided that trailing white-space should be removed automatically in all saved messages. It's been that way ever since without complaint.

    digital man

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Digital Man on Mon Mar 6 22:20:12 2017
    Hi,

    On 2017-03-06 13:04:32, Digital Man wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
    about: "Re: Line stripping":

    Why not just leave the linefeeds at the end of a message as the user
    put them there? If he didn't intend that, he shouldn't have typed
    them! ;)

    I think that decision goes way back (1990ish): new BBS users wouldn't know how to save the message in the editor they were using, so they would just hold down the enter key until they ran out of available lines or got a message telling them how to save and quit. These kinds of messages are pretty irritating in your new-msg-scan, so I decided that trailing white-space should be removed automatically in all saved messages. It's been that way ever since without complaint.

    Ok...

    What about removing linefeeds, except 1? So there will be 1 empty line between the message text and the tearline, if the user entered 1 or more linefeeds? I think that would make messages more readable.

    Bye, Wilfred.


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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Mar 6 15:03:10 2017
    Re: Re: Line stripping
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Digital Man on Mon Mar 06 2017 10:20 pm

    Hi,

    On 2017-03-06 13:04:32, Digital Man wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
    about: "Re: Line stripping":

    Why not just leave the linefeeds at the end of a message as the user
    put them there? If he didn't intend that, he shouldn't have typed
    them! ;)

    I think that decision goes way back (1990ish): new BBS users wouldn't know how to save the message in the editor they were using, so they would just hold down the enter key until they ran out of available lines or got a message telling them how to save and quit. These kinds of messages are pretty irritating in your new-msg-scan, so I decided that trailing white-space should be removed automatically in all saved messages. It's been that way ever since without complaint.

    Ok...

    What about removing linefeeds, except 1?

    It's not a bad idea.

    So there will be 1 empty line
    between the message text and the tearline, if the user entered 1 or more linefeeds? I think that would make messages more readable.

    Yeah, I've contemplated it before (possibly for other reasons I don't recall). I'll contemplate it some more. :-)

    digital man

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  • From Joe Delahaye@1:249/303 to Wilfred van Velzen on Mon Mar 6 19:45:18 2017
    Re: Re: Line stripping
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Digital Man on Mon Mar 06 2017 22:20:13

    These kinds of messages are pretty irritating in your new-msg-scan,
    so I decided that trailing white-space should be removed
    automatically in all saved messages. It's been that way ever since
    without complaint.

    What about removing linefeeds, except 1? So there will be 1 empty line between the message text and the tearline, if the user entered 1 or more linefeeds? I think that would make messages more readable.


    I would go along with that <G> It seems that lately I HAVE had complaints regards the lack of space or blank lines in that area. :(


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  • From DesotoFireflite@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Tue Mar 7 11:09:12 2017
    Re: Re: Line stripping
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Digital Man on Mon Mar 06 2017 07:11 pm

    But some people might *not* want a blank line before their tear
    line:

    Why not just leave the linefeeds at the end of a message as the user put them there? If he didn't intend that, he shouldn't have typed them! ;)

    I myself like a blank line before the Tear Line, but accepted practice is No Blank Line. I do however like the suggestion to leave it as the User Intended, and If I put a blank line in, it's because I wanted it in. Makes no difference either way, but my vote is to add at least one blank line, just seems cleaner and neater to me. :)

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