• ncurses

    From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Wed Nov 29 21:11:42 2017
    Hello Digital Man,

    Just a heads up too, as far as I know you're still using Debian, so you're behind the latest stable stuff. It seems the latest packages of ncurses have seriously messed things up in regards to ANSI type displays, like scfg, echocfg, umonitor, even things like Golded.

    I believe this started occurring here somewhere around ncurses-6.0+20170902. The previous version Archlinux provided was ending in 0527, which still worked fine without any helpers.

    Now I have to run everything with tmux in order for all these programs to display properly. So I'm not sure if it's something they changed that you can adapt to in the future, but figured I'd give you some forewarning.

    There has only been one person I know of that is using the same version as me (even newer, afaik), but he does linux from scratch with the bare necessities. So maybe there's something that's conflicting with ncurses causing these issues, I don't know about. However, 0527 was the last version I didn't need a helper program, and now I have to use tmux for everything with an ANSI type display.

    Note: Using scfg or any of your programs with the -iF switch seems to still work for the most part, and the -iA mode kinda works, but has some ugly yellow in it that I don't care to look at. Obviously -iX doesn't work here as I don't have X installed. -iC is completely off the charts, though, which is what I usually used and what I *think* is used by default?

    I also remember an SDL mode, but that doesn't seem to be available anymore, unless you moved that to the -v option, which I've never used.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Wed Nov 29 21:33:09 2017
    Re: ncurses
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Wed Nov 29 2017 09:11 pm

    Hello Digital Man,

    Just a heads up too, as far as I know you're still using Debian, so you're behind the latest stable stuff. It seems the latest packages of ncurses have seriously messed things up in regards to ANSI type displays, like scfg, echocfg, umonitor, even things like Golded.

    I believe this started occurring here somewhere around ncurses-6.0+20170902. The previous version Archlinux provided was ending in 0527, which still worked fine without any helpers.

    Now I have to run everything with tmux in order for all these programs to display properly. So I'm not sure if it's something they changed that you can adapt to in the future, but figured I'd give you some forewarning.

    There has only been one person I know of that is using the same version as me (even newer, afaik), but he does linux from scratch with the bare necessities. So maybe there's something that's conflicting with ncurses causing these issues, I don't know about. However, 0527 was the last version I didn't need a helper program, and now I have to use tmux for everything with an ANSI type display.

    Note: Using scfg or any of your programs with the -iF switch seems to still work for the most part, and the -iA mode kinda works, but has some ugly yellow in it that I don't care to look at. Obviously -iX doesn't work here as I don't have X installed. -iC is completely off the charts, though, which is what I usually used and what I *think* is used by default?

    I also remember an SDL mode, but that doesn't seem to be available anymore, unless you moved that to the -v option, which I've never used.

    The whole SDL and curses thing is really Deuce's domain. I'll dig around and see what I can find though.

    If you don't have X installed, then you're not going to have any of the SDL modes available (they're all graphics).

    digital man

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Nov 30 00:45:52 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Wed Nov 29 2017 21:33:08, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    The whole SDL and curses thing is really Deuce's domain. I'll dig
    around and see what I can find though.

    Sorry. I didn't know the difference. Are you still working with him? He just losing interest?

    If you don't have X installed, then you're not going to have any of
    the SDL modes available (they're all graphics).

    Of course I know that, but up till a time that option was always available via the command line, and it actually tried it first for some time, which gave me errors and made me use another method.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nelgin@1:103/705 to All on Thu Nov 30 10:00:06 2017
    On Thu, 30 Nov 2017 00:45:52 -0600, "Accession"
    <accession@VERT/PHARCYDE> wrote:


    Of course I know that, but up till a time that option was always available via

    the command line, and it actually tried it first for some time, which gave me >errors and made me use another method.

    Anonymous error messages are never useful in troubleshooting. :)

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Thu Nov 30 11:02:31 2017
    Re: ncurses
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Nov 30 2017 12:45 am

    Hello Digital,

    On Wed Nov 29 2017 21:33:08, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    The whole SDL and curses thing is really Deuce's domain. I'll dig around and see what I can find though.

    Sorry. I didn't know the difference. Are you still working with him? He just losing interest?

    We're not at the same company any more (since last December) and he's moved across the country, but I don't think that means he's retired from BBSing or BBS-related programming.

    If you don't have X installed, then you're not going to have any of
    the SDL modes available (they're all graphics).

    Of course I know that, but up till a time that option was always available via the command line, and it actually tried it first for some time, which gave me errors and made me use another method.

    It's possible that when you built it you didn't have the necessary SDL libraries, so it just excluded the support automatically (it does that).

    digital man

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Dec 1 08:54:44 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Nov 30 2017 11:02:30, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    Sorry. I didn't know the difference. Are you still working with
    him? He just losing interest?

    We're not at the same company any more (since last December) and he's moved across the country, but I don't think that means he's retired
    from BBSing or BBS-related programming.

    Oh wow. I didn't know any of that. A new job offer?

    Of course I know that, but up till a time that option was always
    available via the command line, and it actually tried it first for
    some time, which gave me errors and made me use another method.

    It's possible that when you built it you didn't have the necessary SDL libraries, so it just excluded the support automatically (it does
    that).

    Good point, and that's most likely the case. ;)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Dec 1 13:05:03 2017
    Re: ncurses
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri Dec 01 2017 08:54 am

    We're not at the same company any more (since last December) and he's moved across the country, but I don't think that means he's retired from BBSing or BBS-related programming.

    Oh wow. I didn't know any of that. A new job offer?

    We both have new employers since last year. <shrug>

    digital man

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