• ecweb v4

    From Nightfox@1:103/705 to echicken on Tue Jan 17 09:36:18 2017
    Hi - I recently upgraded to a recent release (I don't remember the exact date now, but it was within the past week or 2). With the version I'm currently using, I am unable to access my personal email - Instead, it brings me back to the home page.

    Also, on my cell phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, with Android 6.0.1, using its included 'Internet' web browser), there is a button in the upper-right with the text "undefined".

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Tue Jan 17 12:55:58 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Tue Jan 17 2017 09:36:19

    currently using, I am unable to access my personal email - Instead, it brings me back to the home page.

    I can't replicate that here with the most recent updates. You may have updated while I was in the middle of making some changes; I think there was a bug like that very briefly about a week or two ago.

    Also, on my cell phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, with Android 6.0.1, using its included 'Internet' web browser), there is a button in the upper-right with the text "undefined".

    That was fixed some time within the past week.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to echicken on Sat Jan 21 18:56:06 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: echicken to Nightfox on Tue Jan 17 2017 12:55 pm

    currently using, I am unable to access my personal email - Instead,
    it brings me back to the home page.

    I can't replicate that here with the most recent updates. You may have updated while I was in the middle of making some changes; I think there was a bug like that very briefly about a week or two ago.

    I just downloaded the latest ecweb 4 from its GitHub page, and I still see this issue.

    Also, on my cell phone (Samsung Galaxy S7, with Android 6.0.1, using
    its included 'Internet' web browser), there is a button in the
    upper-right with the text "undefined".

    That was fixed some time within the past week.

    That one is fixed on my phone with the latest version from GitHub.

    Nightfox

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Sat Jan 21 23:05:36 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Sat Jan 21 2017 18:56:06

    currently using, I am unable to access my personal email - Instead,
    it brings me back to the home page.

    I just downloaded the latest ecweb 4 from its GitHub page, and I still see this issue.

    I continue to be unable to replicate it. Are your other pages (forum, files, games) working? Does the file web/root/pages/000-mail.xjs exist on your system? (This replaced 000-mail.ssjs recently.)

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  • From Fidde@1:103/705 to Echicken on Wed Jan 4 19:19:28 2017
    I just test ecWeb v4 on my system. But it not support swedish chars.
    Is it hard to change that??


    /Fidde


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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Fidde on Wed Jan 4 13:55:34 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Fidde to Echicken on Wed Jan 04 2017 19:19:29

    I just test ecWeb v4 on my system. But it not support swedish chars.
    Is it hard to change that??

    I have no idea. I'll look into it if you can give me an example of how to reproduce the problem.

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  • From TinTino@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 5 19:13:48 2017
    RE: ecweb v4
    BY: echicken to Fidde on Wed Jan 04 2017 13:55:35



    I just test ecWeb v4 on my system. But it not support swedish chars.
    Is it hard to change that??
    I have no idea. I'll look into it if you can give me an example of how to reproduce the problem.

    When I write a message in an lokal area with swedish chars in (aaoAAO),
    and then reading it. Subject is ok, but in message it is only garbage.

    Like:

    Test aaoAAO
    From Fidde to All on Thursday, January 05, 2017 18:59:43

    Test |N|n|||a|a|u


    And in register, if i write my address or city with swedish chars,
    they are missing in useredit, like Molndal is Mlndal.

    Thanks for a nice interface.

    /Fidde

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to TinTino on Thu Jan 5 13:30:00 2017
    Hello TinTino,

    On Thu Jan 05 2017 19:13:48, TinTino wrote to echicken:

    I have no idea. I'll look into it if you can give me an example
    of how to reproduce the problem.

    When I write a message in an lokal area with swedish chars in
    (aaoAAO), and then reading it. Subject is ok, but in message it is
    only garbage.

    Like:

    Test aaoAAO
    From Fidde to All on Thursday, January 05, 2017 18:59:43

    Test |N|n|||a|a|u

    And in register, if i write my address or city with swedish chars,
    they are missing in useredit, like Molndal is Mlndal.

    Since Synchronet itself is very much based on CP437, is it possible your web browser is setup and sending the characters as UTF-8 (note: see my tagline below for UTF-8 characters)? Since there is no conversion from UTF-8 to CP437, that's probably why you're seeing these issues if Synchronet itself is processing them somehow (especially in the user editor).

    Basically, UTF-8 (or sometimes even CP850, which I think is the European equivalent to CP437) characters won't display properly in the BBS itself.

    Do they display properly when you read them via the web also?

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to TinTino on Thu Jan 5 15:41:44 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: TinTino to echicken on Thu Jan 05 2017 19:13:48

    I've committed some changes today which may help, if you'd like to update and give it a try.

    When I write a message in an lokal area with swedish chars in (aaoAAO), and then reading it. Subject is ok, but in message it is only garbage.

    Along with updating, you'll need to add the following to the [web] section of your ctrl/modopts.ini file:

    forum_extended_ascii=false

    And in register, if i write my address or city with swedish chars,
    they are missing in useredit, like Molndal is Mlndal.

    I was stripping all non-ASCII characters out of parameters posted from that form. I've loosened this up somewhat and it will probably work better for you now.

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 5 18:49:10 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Thu Jan 05 2017 15:41:44, echicken wrote to TinTino:

    Along with updating, you'll need to add the following to the [web]
    section of your ctrl/modopts.ini file:

    forum_extended_ascii=false

    Just updated and gave this a go. Looks like my tagline is now displayed properly there. Well done, my good man!

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Jan 6 00:15:32 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Accession to echicken on Thu Jan 05 2017 18:49:10

    forum_extended_ascii=false

    Just updated and gave this a go. Looks like my tagline is now displayed properly there. Well done, my good man!

    The "downside" of this setting is that extended ASCII characters will no longer be rendered on the web in CP437 lookalikes. You may see some "garbage" in things like BBS advertisements and other places where extended ASCII is typically used in BBS messages. That said, I wasn't displaying messages in a fixed-width font, etc., so that stuff didn't display as originally intended anyhow.

    Ideally this would be configurable on a per-sub or per-group basis, but I'd have to think about how best to organize those kinds of settings.

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  • From TinTino@1:103/705 to echicken on Fri Jan 6 13:11:32 2017
    RE: ecweb v4
    BY: echicken to TinTino on Thu Jan 05 2017 15:41:44

    I've committed some changes today which may help, if you'd like to update and give it a try.
    forum_extended_ascii=false

    Thank you very much. Works much better now.

    I was stripping all non-ASCII characters out of parameters posted from that form. I've loosened this up somewhat and it will probably work better for you now.


    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    /Fidde

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to TinTino on Fri Jan 6 08:17:16 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: TinTino to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 13:11:32

    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    I didn't know that it wasn't being saved; I'll look into it later today.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to TinTino on Fri Jan 6 10:03:26 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: TinTino to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 13:11:32

    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    This should be fixed now.

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to echicken on Fri Jan 6 09:27:50 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Fri Jan 06 2017 00:15:32, echicken wrote to Accession:

    Just updated and gave this a go. Looks like my tagline is now
    displayed properly there. Well done, my good man!

    The "downside" of this setting is that extended ASCII characters will
    no longer be rendered on the web in CP437 lookalikes. You may see
    some "garbage" in things like BBS advertisements and other places
    where extended ASCII is typically used in BBS messages. That said, I wasn't displaying messages in a fixed-width font, etc., so that stuff didn't display as originally intended anyhow.

    Ah. I didn't even think to look at the BBS advertisements areas or anything like that. I was merely looking at UTF-8 postings and they seem to be working wonderfully (ie: you can take a look as I carry the UTF-8 echo on Fidonet which

    has a lot of testing going on, if you care to do so).

    And now after looking at BBS ads, yes they have basically taken on the look of UTF-8 messages when using CP437. So somewhat of a role reversal. :)

    Ideally this would be configurable on a per-sub or per-group basis,
    but I'd have to think about how best to organize those kinds of
    settings.

    Which I suppose would probably be much easier if something like that was configured in SCFG itself. I believe Deuce was going to venture into UTF-8 support at some point, so you may just be a little ahead of the game here. Maybe have a talk with him before going too much further, and you can possibly come up with something that would work in every aspect.

    Otherwise, yeah, you'd basically have to have a list of every sub, and define a

    character set to use for them (Things like Golded, Msged, JamNNTPd do this, albeit all implemented differently from each other too, so there really is no standard way of doing it).

    Not sure if you could do something like what you did with the file areas, and have a check for well formed ANSI codes. If so, display it in CP437. But I have

    no idea how difficult that would be, or if it would even be possible.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From TinTino@1:103/705 to echicken on Fri Jan 6 19:27:24 2017
    RE: ecweb v4
    BY: echicken to TinTino on Fri Jan 06 2017 10:03:27


    By: TinTino to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 13:11:32

    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    This should be fixed now.

    Thank you, works fine, and gender works to.

    Now I only missing zipcode :)


    /Fidde

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Jan 6 13:48:46 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Accession to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 09:27:50

    Which I suppose would probably be much easier if something like that was configured in SCFG itself. I believe Deuce was going to venture into UTF-8

    Yes, it'd be nice if there were a setting there, or flag sets that could be used on message groups or areas for arbitrary things. Oh well.

    support at some point, so you may just be a little ahead of the game here. Maybe have a talk with him before going too much further, and you can

    The difference now is that the forum_extended_ascii setting is used to determine whether to use the 'escape extended ASCII' option with Synchronet's html_encode() JS function.

    When called with that option, this function treats each byte as a single character, and converts those in the 128-255 range to HTML entities with the same appearance as the corresponding CP437 characters. (▒ for a light-shaded block, for example.) This would not go well with multibyte characters.

    When that setting is disabled, the body as read from the message base is sent to the browser without going through that particular conversion (though it is still modified to some extent). If you're seeing your UTF-8 characters properly in the browser, that would indicate that SMB isn't mangling them at all (and why would it), so that's good.

    So I doubt if much or anything needs to be done on the Synchronet side; from what I'm seeing, UTF-8 support is mostly down to how the client (browser, terminal, etc.) chooses to interpret the data it's receiving. At least with regards to messages. Maybe a 'content-encoding' message header would be helpful, if the BBS had some way to determine what should be used there.

    Otherwise, yeah, you'd basically have to have a list of every sub, and

    Yeah, and I don't really want to go that way unless it's really necessary; this would probably lead to a whole config file and some web-related settings manager.

    Not sure if you could do something like what you did with the file areas, and have a check for well formed ANSI codes. If so, display it in CP437.

    I think I made the assumption that if any characters in the extended description had codes > 127, that I would pass the description through html_encode (as described above) with certain settings. This would not work here, and will also stop working if/when you tell me that you want support for UTF-8 in descriptions imported from file_id.diz. :D

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to TinTino on Fri Jan 6 13:55:02 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: TinTino to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 19:27:24

    Now I only missing zipcode :)

    I'll add that in; looks like it should be considered a "required" field if you require a street address from the user, and otherwise it will be optional.

    But I will call it "Postal Code" for now, because that's what we call them here and it seems more generic/international.

    Eventually I will provide an internationalization mechanism, so you can provide a 'strings' file of some kind which will control the text in those field labels. (Similar to text.dat on the terminal side.)

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to TinTino on Fri Jan 6 15:40:52 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: TinTino to echicken on Fri Jan 06 2017 01:11 pm

    RE: ecweb v4
    BY: echicken to TinTino on Thu Jan 05 2017 15:41:44

    I've committed some changes today which may help, if you'd like to update and give it a try.
    forum_extended_ascii=false

    Thank you very much. Works much better now.

    I was stripping all non-ASCII characters out of parameters posted from that form. I've loosened this up somewhat and it will probably work better for you now.


    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    How is the SCFG->System->New User Values->Question Toggls->Allow EX-ASCII in Answers set?

    digital man

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 6 18:47:38 2017
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Digital Man to TinTino on Fri Jan 06 2017 15:40:53

    How is the SCFG->System->New User Values->Question Toggls->Allow EX-ASCII in Answers set?

    Could be a part of his problem, but I was also stripping things out on the web side before that would have come into play (though this has been changed). I forgot about that setting; if he's still having trouble, that would be the next thing to look at.

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  • From Tintino@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Sat Jan 7 01:00:06 2017
    2017-01-06 15:40, Digital Man wrote to TinTino:

    I've committed some changes today which may help, if you'd like to
    update and give it a try.
    forum_extended_ascii=false

    Thank you very much. Works much better now.

    I was stripping all non-ASCII characters out of parameters posted
    from
    that form. I've loosened this up somewhat and it will probably
    work
    better for you now.


    Works fine that too. But why not realname is saved in userbase?

    How is the SCFG->System->New User Values->Question Toggls->Allow EX-ASCII in Answers set?

    it is set to Yes.

    It works reasonably now. Perfect is probably difficult to get.

    @H@Ydigital man@n

    /Tintino


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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to echicken on Fri Jan 6 22:27:46 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Fri Jan 06 2017 13:48:46, echicken wrote to Accession:

    When called with that option, this function treats each byte as a
    single character, and converts those in the 128-255 range to HTML
    entities with the same appearance as the corresponding CP437
    characters. (▒ for a light-shaded block, for example.) This
    would not go well with multibyte characters.

    The 128-255 CP437 range doesn't ever go well with UTF-8 (multibyte characters specifically), so that's not any fault of yours. There have been a couple projects out there (Enthral comes to mind) that convert ANSI graphics to UTF-8 so you can telnet using your linux command line and things will be displayed properly, but you still have to use a reduced console font that only provides 256 glyphs, and I'm fairly certain the software itself is doing all the conversions. So while it's a cool project, it's not really any kind of full solution.

    When that setting is disabled, the body as read from the message base
    is sent to the browser without going through that particular
    conversion (though it is still modified to some extent). If you're
    seeing your UTF-8 characters properly in the browser, that would
    indicate that SMB isn't mangling them at all (and why would it), so
    that's good.

    Yeah. SMB has never modified the text, unless you set that "Export ASCII only" setting I would imagine. I've been able to read/write UTF-8 messages with Synchronet ever since I started tinkering with it. I just have to use external software to read and write it, since the BBS itself won't do it. Basically, I use vim and/or nano as an external editor. So if the BBS displays a UTF-8 message as garbage, when I reply to it, it will display fine in those external editors.

    So I doubt if much or anything needs to be done on the Synchronet
    side; from what I'm seeing, UTF-8 support is mostly down to how the
    client (browser, terminal, etc.) chooses to interpret the data it's receiving. At least with regards to messages. Maybe a
    'content-encoding' message header would be helpful, if the BBS had
    some way to determine what should be used there.

    In messaging itself, I believe it is a Fidonet "proposal" introducing the CHRS kludge. This is what most other software (ie: Golded, Msged, Timed, JamNNTPd, and maybe a few others) use to determine what the message was written as. Then said software uses conversion tables to convert to system specific readable/writable character sets. Not sure if that's something that could be used rather than the content-encoding message header, or even taking that (if it's given, of course) and turning it into something the browser would understand. Usually, BBS related software that doesn't provide a CHRS kludge, CP437 should be assumed. Then obviously there's CP850, CP866, LATIN-1/ISO-8859-1, UTF-8, etc. that are some of the ones I've seen (besides CP437 or any of it's aliases) the most when the CHRS kludge is actually provided.

    Not sure if you could do something like what you did with the
    file areas, and have a check for well formed ANSI codes. If so,
    display it in CP437.

    I think I made the assumption that if any characters in the extended description had codes > 127, that I would pass the description through html_encode (as described above) with certain settings. This would not work here, and will also stop working if/when you tell me that you
    want support for UTF-8 in descriptions imported from file_id.diz. :D

    According to the actual standards for FILE_ID.DIZ, there shouldn't even be ansi

    codes in them (boy were those ANSI guys a bunch of anarchists, eh? :D). They should be ASCII characters only. So I don't think I would ever ask for UTF-8 support in descriptions.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Fidde@2:203/124 to Echicken on Wed Feb 27 14:46:50 2019
    Hi,
    I update to latest webv4 and it works fine in http. But in https I cant login. The log say:
    2019-02-27 14:42:55 1932 TLS dbg 'WSAECONNABORTED: Connection was terminated due to a time-out or other failure' (-42) popping data
    2019-02-27 14:42:55 1932 !ERROR 0 receiving on socket

    do you now why?


    /Fidde

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Fidde on Wed Feb 27 17:08:58 2019
    Re: ecweb v4
    By: Fidde to Echicken on Wed Feb 27 2019 14:46:50

    I update to latest webv4 and it works fine in http. But in https I cant login. The log say:
    2019-02-27 14:42:55 1932 TLS dbg 'WSAECONNABORTED: Connection was terminated due to a time-out or other failure' (-42) popping data 2019-02-27 14:42:55 1932 !ERROR 0 receiving on socket

    do you now why?

    No. This is likely to be a problem with the web server & TLS and not something I can fix in the web UI.

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to ECHICKEN on Thu Feb 28 01:24:00 2019
    No. This is likely to be a problem with the web server & TLS and not somethi E>I can fix in the web UI.

    I couldn't get the website to come up earlier today...not sure if the synchro.net deal was down or not. I could logon via SyncTerm, though.

    Daryl

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