Hello All,


When I veiw the HTML parsed version of the SBL, I notice that there is one BBS in particular that is listed 4+ times and maybe a couple more that is listed multiple times.

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?


It gives these BBS systems an advantage over the BBS's that are posted only once like they are supposed to be.

Maybe there should be some more dupe checking put in place or something?

just a thought.

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Re: SBL
By: KK4QBN to All on Sun Jun 18 2017 08:47 pm

When I veiw the HTML parsed version of the SBL, I notice that there is one BBS in particular that is listed 4+ times and maybe a couple more that is listed multiple times.

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

It gives these BBS systems an advantage over the BBS's that are posted only once like they are supposed to be.

Maybe there should be some more dupe checking put in place or something?

There should be already for each entry requires a unique 'name' field. If someone creates a duplicate entry but with a slightly different name (e.g. adds "BBS" to the end), I suppose I could try hard to detect those types of dupes.

digital man

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Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Tue Jun 20 2017 19:05:25

When I veiw the HTML parsed version of the SBL, I notice that there is
one BBS in particular that is listed 4+ times and maybe a couple more
that is listed multiple times.

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems and
posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

There should be already for each entry requires a unique 'name' field. If someone creates a duplicate entry but with a slightly different name (e.g. adds "BBS" to the end), I suppose I could try hard to detect those types of dupes.

The Universal JoiNT BBS : title of first entry
Universal Joint BBS : title of second entry
The Universal JoiNT : title of third entry

The fourth one went away

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The Universal JoiNT BBS
An Archive for Kosmic Free Music Foundation KFMF Nobody can do the Boogaloo like I do. Most of JohnDaily games online and registered Sunrise Door Software Collection (over 40 games)

1989

Hemo

Victory Center, WI

bbs.ujoint.org (telnet)
262-437-3278 (modem)

DOVE-Net
Fido-Net

---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Universal Joint BBS
An Archive for Kosmic Free Music Foundation KFMF My baby does the hanky panky Most of JohnDaily games online and registered Sunrise Door Software Collection (over 40 games)

1989

Hemo

Victory Center, WI

bbs.ujoint.org (telnet)
bbs.ujoint.org:22 (telnet)
(262) 437-327 (modem)

DOVE-Net
Fido-Net

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The Universal JoiNT
An Archive for Kosmic Free Music Foundation KFMF this line intentially blank Lots of JohnDaily games online and registered Sunrise Door Software Collection (over 40 games)

1989

Hemo

Victory Center, WI USA

bbs.ujoint.org (telnet)
bbs.ujoint.org:22 (telnet)
(262) 437-327 (modem)

DOVE-Net
FIDO-Net ----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Sorry HEMO, this take away chances of propective visitors visiting other systems besides yours.

did you do this on purpose?

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Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Tue Jun 20 2017 07:05 pm

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

the universal joint bbs

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Re: SBL
By: KK4QBN to Digital Man on Tue Jun 20 2017 11:19 pm

Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Tue Jun 20 2017 19:05:25

When I veiw the HTML parsed version of the SBL, I notice that there is
one BBS in particular that is listed 4+ times and maybe a couple more
that is listed multiple times.

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems and
posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

digital man

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Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Wed Jun 21 2017 10:39:21

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems
and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

It is sad that you have to do this. one would thing a SysOp would have enough courtesy to not do stupid crap like this,

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On 2017 Jun 21 10:39:20, you wrote to KK4QBN:

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

or even substring checking and take the newest one ;)

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KK4QBN wrote to Digital Man <=-

Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Wed Jun 21 2017 10:39:21

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems
and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

It is sad that you have to do this. one would thing a SysOp would have enough courtesy to not do stupid crap like this,

well.. I can tell you it was not on purpose. And piss off for jumping to conclusions that it was done on purpose.

I completely expected that if I updated an entry it would not create a completely new record. There is only one entry on my system for my BBS.

How the F was I supposed to know it would create entirely new records.

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Re: SBL
By: KK4QBN to Digital Man on Tue Jun 20 2017 11:19 pm

Re: SBL
By: Digital Man to KK4QBN on Tue Jun 20 2017 19:05:25

When I veiw the HTML parsed version of the SBL, I notice that there
is one BBS in particular that is listed 4+ times and maybe a couple
more that is listed multiple times.

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems
and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

http://synchro.net/sbbslist.html

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

I just logged into Vertruan and removed the duplicated entries.
The duplicates were completely unintentional and I had no idea duplicates where being made as I updated the entry on my system. I updated, I did not create a new entry... how was I to know updating would create duplicate entries and disturb the balance of the Internet? After 'updating' there was still just one entry on my system, where the 'updating' took place.

I certainly wish this was brought to my attention directly instead of the insinuation it was done intentionally for some nefarious purpose.

Apologies for any inconvenience.

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On 2017 Jun 22 01:51:16, you wrote to Digital Man:

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a
duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

It is sad that you have to do this. one would thing a SysOp would have enough courtesy to not do stupid crap like this,

TBH, they probably didn't even have a clue that it would end up with multiple entries like that...

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mark lewis wrote to KK4QBN <=-

TBH, they probably didn't even have a clue that it would end up with multiple entries like that...

That's the most likely scenario.


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Re: Re: SBL
By: Hemo to KK4QBN on Thu Jun 22 2017 13:24:00

Why is this? is the sysop creating accounts on seprate BBS systems
and posting their BBSs in the SBL under different accoutns?

I'm not sure. Can you point to an example?

"The Universal Joint is listed 4 times on this page"

Same information, same telnet address, same dialin phone number.

It is sad that you have to do this. one would thing a SysOp would
have enough courtesy to not do stupid crap like this,

well.. I can tell you it was not on purpose. And piss off for jumping to conclusions that it was done on purpose.

Don't tell me to piss off.. for one, I never said YOU did it on purpose, I stated that a sysop would have enough courtesy to do stupid crap like this, and I did'nt jump to conclusions that you did it on purpose, I stated that because after the fact, when this was done, you obviously did NOTHING to remedy the situation. and now for me to earn my "Piss Off". The way these were posted does make it look like they were added this way on purpose, the changing of a BBS title here, different wordings of the same description. so yea.. since you want me to piss off for "assuming" you did this on purpose, I posted this in the first place because I assumed it was a MISTAKE, or maybe even a BUG somwhere, and that is our function here is to find bugs a squash them.. and on MY BBS I encourage people to find mistakes and let me know so I can fix them.

So the simple fact that you got so pissed that I posted this tells me that it was purposly done. I do believe somewhere in the post I even posted "Sorry Hemo". but now, since you want me to Piss Off.. I don't even care.. quit spamming.

I completely expected that if I updated an entry it would not create a completely new record. There is only one entry on my system for my BBS.

AFAIK, In the HISTORY of SBL, Updating a BBS entry will not create a duplicate entry like this, each entry had to be created under a DIFFERENT username and quite possible even a different QWKID also. I may be wrong here, there could have been some sort of dupe check issues on Robs system, but I have updated and verified my BBS EVERY DAY OF THE WEEK from my BBS and not once has it ever created duplicate entries.

if it is a mistake, its a mistake.. that cool.. it all good.. but not to the point to tell someone to PISS OFF.. I was'nt blaming YOU of anything. I was merely pointing out an issue that needed to be looked at. but now that you have flew off the handle so easily over a mere bug report, I think I can say with about 85% certainty that these dupes were intentional..

I was'nt out to make enemies with a damn bug report.. someone got triggered awful easily.. hey.. no problems.. I used to do the same thing.. until my Doctor told me that if I did'nt chill out a bit I would end up having a stroke or heart attack.. It's a freaking BBS man.. nothing more.. its not that serious..

take care and have a good one!

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Re: SBL
By: Hemo to Digital Man on Thu Jun 22 2017 13:37:09

create a new entry... how was I to know updating would create duplicate entries and disturb the balance of the Internet? After 'updating' there was still just one entry on my system, where the 'updating' took place.

I certainly wish this was brought to my attention directly instead of the insinuation it was done intentionally for some nefarious purpose.

It was brought to your attention.. you saw the post right? and also Rob got some information to help make SBL better in the future by fixing whatever made this happen..

as I said in my previous message, I did NOT say you were doing this on purpose, but from the tone of the rebuttal message you posted to me, it would'nt suprise me now..

Maybe we should'nt even go any further into this, but I just don't see how that could happen, if you originally posted it on verts SBL, then updated on your BBS I cannot see how it could make 4 or so different entries, instead of updating the original, or at least I've never seen it happen in the 20 years I've messed with SBBS..

Sorry for pissing you off so much for posting a bug report.. if the same thing were to happen to me I'd appreciate that someone brought it to attention.. that the only way to make this BBS software wht it is today.

I don't think by flooding the message bases up with back and forth fodder over this issue would be good for anyone.. especially the fragile BBS scene.. if you would like to talk more over this, you know how to contact me.

take care.

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The dupe checking is only done on the BBS name. I guess I could add a duplicate hostname or IP address check as well.

Another option could be not allowing the BBS name to be changed during an update of an entry. Or a combination of the two.


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