• Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI

    From Poindexter Fortran@1:103/705 to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 26 09:09:00 2017
    KenDB3 wrote to All <=-

    Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty impressed and excited about V4, I just
    have a lot of work to do in order to translate some of my current
    custom pages over to new formatting, etc. And I would rather have some
    of that work done before doing upgrades.

    I'm in the same boat and running ecweb v3 just fine on a new (ish)
    build of 3.17. Work fine here, with a little bit of tweaking.




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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jan 27 16:11:50 2017
    Re: Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Poindexter Fortran to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 26 2017 09:09:00

    just have a lot of work to do in order to translate some of my
    current custom pages over to new formatting, etc. And I would rather

    I'm in the same boat and running ecweb v3 just fine on a new (ish)
    build of 3.17. Work fine here, with a little bit of tweaking.

    The move from v3 to v4, particularly when it comes to custom pages, should be fairly painless. If you ever do feel like making the switch (which I strongly encourage) I'm around to help get things working / looking the way you want them to.

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  • From Poindexter Fortran@1:103/705 to echicken on Sat Jan 28 08:28:56 2017
    Re: Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: echicken to Poindexter Fortran on Fri Jan 27 2017 04:11 pm

    The move from v3 to v4, particularly when it comes to custom pages, should be fairly painless. If you ever do feel like making the switch (which I strongly encourage) I'm around to help get things working / looking the way you want them to.

    Thanks for the offer! V4 looks great, I'll give it a try again soon.

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  • From KenDB3@1:103/705 to All on Thu Jan 12 11:40:54 2017
    Hi there folks,

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that over on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI after Sat Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a particular sub, it shows dates for when it last got a message, like Synchronet Discussion shows message should be there from today.
    (ie, when looking here: http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    So, I guess my question is, once I upgrade to the new builds, does that mean the only way to support messages via the Web interface is to move to the Web-V4 UI being worked on be echicken?

    Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty impressed and excited about V4, I just have a lot of work to do in order to translate some of my current custom pages over to new formatting, etc. And I would rather have some of that work done before doing upgrades.

    Thanks folks!

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 12 13:10:08 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: KenDB3 to All on Thu Jan 12 2017 11:40:54

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that over on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI after Sat Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a particular sub, it shows dates for when it last got a message, like Synchronet Discussion shows message should be there from today.
    (ie, when looking here: http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    Hmm, you're right. In the list of DOVE-Net sub-boards, the Latest column says that the most recent message in Synchronet Discussion was posted on January 12, 2017. If you click through to view messages in that sub, the newest message is from November 12, 2016.

    This could be a bug in the old web UI. Based on the timing, I would hazard a guess that it may not be interacting well with vote/poll messages or something along those lines.

    So, I guess my question is, once I upgrade to the new builds, does that mean the only way to support messages via the Web interface is to move to the Web-V4 UI being worked on be echicken?

    Not necessarily. I don't think there's been any statement that the stock web UI will no longer be maintained. However, updating to 3.17a will likely mean breaking that part of your web interface until somebody fixes that bug.

    I'll take a quick look at it later, but am likely to give up if it's not obvious / quick / easy to fix.

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  • From KenDB3@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 13:44:04 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: echicken to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 12 2017 01:10 pm

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that over
    on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI after Sat
    Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a particular sub, it
    shows dates for when it last got a message, like Synchronet
    Discussion shows message should be there from today.
    (ie, when looking here:
    http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    Hmm, you're right. In the list of DOVE-Net sub-boards, the Latest column says that the most recent message in Synchronet Discussion was posted on January 12, 2017. If you click through to view messages in that sub, the newest message is from November 12, 2016.

    This could be a bug in the old web UI. Based on the timing, I would hazard a guess that it may not be interacting well with vote/poll messages or something along those lines.

    So, I guess my question is, once I upgrade to the new builds, does
    that mean the only way to support messages via the Web interface is
    to move to the Web-V4 UI being worked on be echicken?

    Not necessarily. I don't think there's been any statement that the stock web UI will no longer be maintained. However, updating to 3.17a will likely mean breaking that part of your web interface until somebody fixes that bug.

    I'll take a quick look at it later, but am likely to give up if it's not obvious / quick / easy to fix.

    Thanks man. I thought the dates looked coincidental.

    ~KenDB3

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 13:34:16 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 13:10:08, echicken wrote to KenDB3:

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that
    over on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI
    after Sat Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a
    particular sub, it shows dates for when it last got a message,
    like Synchronet Discussion shows message should be there from
    today. (ie, when looking here:
    http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    Hmm, you're right. In the list of DOVE-Net sub-boards, the Latest
    column says that the most recent message in Synchronet Discussion was posted on January 12, 2017. If you click through to view messages in
    that sub, the newest message is from November 12, 2016.

    This could be a bug in the old web UI. Based on the timing, I would hazard a guess that it may not be interacting well with vote/poll
    messages or something along those lines.

    Do you think this could also have something to do with the fact that me and one

    other seem to be having some issues regarding the last read pointer in random sub-boards resetting every time you login?

    It only seems to happen in random sub-boards, but I will go to/read the last message in the sub-board, and the next time I telnet in (it might be the next day, I don't remember), it will show me messages #1 again. I believe the only executable I'm running these days is SMBUTIL in a nightly event, or sbbsecho to

    import/export FTN related stuff.

    Could it possibly be an issue while using "Gate between net types" and having sbbsecho export Dovenet messages to my other system? Just trying to think of all possible scenarios here, and I'm not sure what the other guy that experienced this does in relation to what I'm doing, but..

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 12 12:45:36 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: KenDB3 to All on Thu Jan 12 2017 11:40 am

    Hi there folks,

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that over on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI after Sat Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a particular sub, it shows dates for when it last got a message, like Synchronet Discussion shows message should be there from today.
    (ie, when looking here: http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    There's still some bugs in the legacy/runemaster web UI with regards to the new voting feature. I may need the occasional reminder or push (like this one) to take another look at fixing them.

    So, I guess my question is, once I upgrade to the new builds, does that mean the only way to support messages via the Web interface is to move to the Web-V4 UI being worked on be echicken?

    If you're going to be posting polls or importing voting data via QWKnet, then likely, yes (as far web interfaces go). The older ecweb(s) might "work" (at least display all the normal messages) with message bases that contain voting data, but I'm not certain.

    Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty impressed and excited about V4, I just have a lot of work to do in order to translate some of my current custom pages over to new formatting, etc. And I would rather have some of that work done before doing upgrades.

    I understand. You could disable and avoid the voting feature, but eventually you're going to want that too.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Thu Jan 12 12:48:12 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 2017 01:34 pm

    Hello echicken,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 13:10:08, echicken wrote to KenDB3:

    I was getting set up to do some upgrades, but I realized that
    over on VERT messages stopped being displayed on the old Web UI
    after Sat Nov 12 2016. I noticed that where you choose a
    particular sub, it shows dates for when it last got a message,
    like Synchronet Discussion shows message should be there from
    today. (ie, when looking here:
    http://vert.synchro.net/msgs/subs.ssjs?msg_grp=DOVE-Net)

    Hmm, you're right. In the list of DOVE-Net sub-boards, the Latest column says that the most recent message in Synchronet Discussion was posted on January 12, 2017. If you click through to view messages in that sub, the newest message is from November 12, 2016.

    This could be a bug in the old web UI. Based on the timing, I would hazard a guess that it may not be interacting well with vote/poll messages or something along those lines.

    Do you think this could also have something to do with the fact that me and one
    other seem to be having some issues regarding the last read pointer in random sub-boards resetting every time you login?

    I don't think so.

    It only seems to happen in random sub-boards, but I will go to/read the last message in the sub-board, and the next time I telnet in (it might be the next day, I don't remember), it will show me messages #1 again. I believe the only executable I'm running these days is SMBUTIL in a nightly event, or sbbsecho to
    import/export FTN related stuff.

    Neither of those programs deal with user message/scan pointers.

    Could it possibly be an issue while using "Gate between net types" and having sbbsecho export Dovenet messages to my other system? Just trying to think of all possible scenarios here, and I'm not sure what the other guy that experienced this does in relation to what I'm doing, but..

    I don't think so.

    Are you using a web UI that does stuff with msg/scan pointers (reads and updates them)?

    digital man

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 12 15:04:26 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: KenDB3 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 13:44:04

    Thanks man. I thought the dates looked coincidental.

    I committed a change that should help with this. I won't be able to test it in the stock web UI right away, but a test script I made suggests I'm on the right track. I'll let you know.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 15:05:52 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 12:48:12, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    I don't think so.

    It only seems to happen in random sub-boards, but I will go to/read
    the last message in the sub-board, and the next time I telnet in
    (it might be the next day, I don't remember), it will show me
    messages #1 again. I believe the only executable I'm running these
    days is SMBUTIL in a nightly event, or sbbsecho to import/export
    FTN related stuff.

    Neither of those programs deal with user message/scan pointers.

    That's basically what I was thinking. But Buckaroo and myself seem to be having
    similar issues ever since the voting stuff came into play. I've given some examples to Nightfox as well (since we're both using DDMsgReader), but he mentioned not seeing anything related to what we are.. so who knows.

    Could it possibly be an issue while using "Gate between net types"
    and having sbbsecho export Dovenet messages to my other system?
    Just trying to think of all possible scenarios here, and I'm not
    sure what the other guy that experienced this does in relation to
    what I'm doing, but..

    I don't think so.

    Are you using a web UI that does stuff with msg/scan pointers (reads
    and updates them)?

    I'm using the latest ecwebv4, but I'm fairly certain I only posted one message to a test area awhile back. So any of the other sub-boards I'm seeing this in (DOVE-GEN being one of them, along with random ones in other networks as well),
    shouldn't have been affected.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 17:40:56 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Digital Man to Accession on Thu Jan 12 2017 12:48:12

    Are you using a web UI that does stuff with msg/scan pointers (reads and updates them)?

    FWIW I know that he's using my latest, and it does. However, when I saw mention of this the other day I went to double-check the one part of it that modifies the scan pointer. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but it looks fine to me.

    Essentially, it's:

    if (newest_message_header.number > msg_area.sub[sub].scan_ptr) {
    msg_area.sub[sub].scan_ptr = newest_message_header.number;
    }

    (Additionally, it does not modify the 'last_read' property.)

    If that looks incorrect to you, please let me know. I do browse messages on my website fairly often now, and I'm not having problems like these, so I dunno.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Jan 12 17:45:08 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Nicholas Boel to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 2017 15:05:52

    I'm using the latest ecwebv4, but I'm fairly certain I only posted one message to a test area awhile back. So any of the other sub-boards I'm seeing this in (DOVE-GEN being one of them, along with random ones in other networks as well), shouldn't have been affected.

    For the record, the scan pointer can be updated when you're viewing messages, not just when you post. However, it should only happen when you load a thread in which the newest message in that thread has a number higher than your current scan pointer for that sub.

    I was actually reluctant to add this feature, because it makes it a bit too easy to miss new messages. I will however eventually add a 'new message scan' which should come in handy.

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  • From Nightfox@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 15:25:28 2017
    Not necessarily. I don't think there's been any statement that the stock web UI will no longer be maintained. However, updating to 3.17a will likely mean breaking that part of your web interface until somebody fixes that bug.

    Somehow I had the impression that Rob & Deuce wanted to replace the stock/runemaster web interface with your ecweb interface (and thus the Runemaster interface would not be maintained after some point). I think it may have been in some messages on Dove-net a while back, but I don't remember exactly now.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Jan 12 19:03:26 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 15:25:28

    Somehow I had the impression that Rob & Deuce wanted to replace the stock/runemaster web interface with your ecweb interface (and thus the Runemaster interface would not be maintained after some point). I think it

    I'm sure that's still in the maybe-eventually phase. For now I would say it's reasonable to expect bug fixes for the Runemaster interface. (New features, however, not so much.)

    I've probably muddled things a bit by saying that ecweb v3 is no longer supported. This remains true; the solution to any v3 bug is to move to v4.

    One of the main problems with replacing the stock web UI with my latest one is feature parity. I don't know every special feature that was added to the Runemaster interface over the years, so I can't say that mine does everything that the old one did. Some of those unknown features were requested by people for reasons, so it wouldn't be fair to make them disappear.

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 18:06:20 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 19:03:26, echicken wrote to Nightfox:

    One of the main problems with replacing the stock web UI with my
    latest one is feature parity. I don't know every special feature that
    was added to the Runemaster interface over the years, so I can't say
    that mine does everything that the old one did. Some of those unknown features were requested by people for reasons, so it wouldn't be fair
    to make them disappear.

    Then again, you're the one providing the active development for a fairly full featured web interface. Whatever features were requested of Runemaster way back
    when, can be requested of you if someone still wants it.

    Not saying making them disappear is the answer, but since you don't know every special feature that was added to the old one, you shouldn't be held accountable if they're not already in your current one.

    Free BBS softwarez and services, and all that. :D

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From KK4QBN@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 20:08:40 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: echicken to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 2017 05:40 pm

    If that looks incorrect to you, please let me know. I do browse messages on my website fairly often now, and I'm not having problems like these, so I dunno.

    I've been using V4 extensively and have only had issue with the POLLS posting incorrectly, never any pointer issues.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to KK4QBN on Thu Jan 12 20:21:50 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: KK4QBN to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 20:08:40

    I've been using V4 extensively and have only had issue with the POLLS posting incorrectly, never any pointer issues.

    I may have fixed something the other day re: posting poll messages, but I haven't tested it extensively. I'll take another look at it sometime soon.

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 17:49:28 2017
    Hello echicken,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 17:45:08, echicken wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I'm using the latest ecwebv4, but I'm fairly certain I only
    posted one message to a test area awhile back. So any of the
    other sub-boards I'm seeing this in (DOVE-GEN being one of them,
    along with random ones in other networks as well), shouldn't have
    been affected.

    For the record, the scan pointer can be updated when you're viewing messages, not just when you post. However, it should only happen when
    you load a thread in which the newest message in that thread has a
    number higher than your current scan pointer for that sub.

    I was actually reluctant to add this feature, because it makes it a
    bit too easy to miss new messages. I will however eventually add a
    'new message scan' which should come in handy.

    This should carry the same throughout the web and the telnet BBS though, right?

    Also, only when logged in as a user. Either way, I don't think ecwebv4 is the issue here at this point. Some sub-boards throw me back to the first message in

    a newscan on a daily basis, if not more than that. The last time I actually logged into ecwebv4 and posted a test message was a few weeks ago. I couldn't see anything ecwebv4 related that would cause this to happen.

    I'm also going over it with Nightfox, since both Buckaroo and myself are using it, and that's specifically where it's happening.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Jan 12 18:23:44 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Nicholas Boel to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 2017 03:05 pm

    Are you using a web UI that does stuff with msg/scan pointers (reads and updates them)?

    I'm using the latest ecwebv4, but I'm fairly certain I only posted one message to a test area awhile back. So any of the other sub-boards I'm seeing this in (DOVE-GEN being one of them, along with random ones in other networks as well),
    shouldn't have been affected.

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just reading messages.

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to echicken on Thu Jan 12 18:28:40 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: echicken to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 2017 05:40 pm

    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Digital Man to Accession on Thu Jan 12 2017 12:48:12

    Are you using a web UI that does stuff with msg/scan pointers (reads and updates them)?

    FWIW I know that he's using my latest, and it does. However, when I saw mention of this the other day I went to double-check the one part of it that modifies the scan pointer. Perhaps I'm doing something wrong, but it looks fine to me.

    Essentially, it's:

    if (newest_message_header.number > msg_area.sub[sub].scan_ptr) {
    msg_area.sub[sub].scan_ptr = newest_message_header.number;
    }

    What if newest_message_header.number is invalid (e.g. NaN or 0xffffffff or > msgbase.last_msg)? Other than that possibility, the logic is fine.

    (Additionally, it does not modify the 'last_read' property.)

    If that looks incorrect to you, please let me know. I do browse messages on my website fairly often now, and I'm not having problems like these, so I dunno.

    Yeah, I dunno either. It could also be if they are using anything that modifies their msgs.cnf files and incorrectly/accidentally changes the pointer index files for sub-boards. That'd mess up everyone's scan pointers and configurations for that/those subs.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Nightfox on Thu Jan 12 18:30:20 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Nightfox to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 03:25 pm

    Not necessarily. I don't think there's been any statement that the stock web UI will no longer be maintained. However, updating to 3.17a will likely mean breaking that part of your web interface until somebody fixes that bug.

    Somehow I had the impression that Rob & Deuce wanted to replace the stock/runemaster web interface with your ecweb interface (and thus the Runemaster interface would not be maintained after some point). I think it may have been in some messages on Dove-net a while back, but I don't remember exactly now.

    Nobody wants to maintain the legacy/runemaster Web UI, so it is on deathrow right now. That's not to say that we won't still fix bugs in it for the time being, but long term, it's likely to not be supported.

    digital man

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Accession on Thu Jan 12 20:40:52 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Accession to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 17:49:28

    This should carry the same throughout the web and the telnet BBS though, right? Also, only when logged in as a user. Either way, I don't think

    Yes, it's a user-level thing, and the same pointer that's used on the terminal side. It's nice to have it updated so that you don't end up reading the same messages the next time you telnet/ssh in if you already saw them via the web.

    ecwebv4 is the issue here at this point. Some sub-boards throw me back to the first message in a newscan on a daily basis, if not more than that. The last time I actually logged into ecwebv4 and posted a test message was a few weeks ago. I couldn't see anything ecwebv4 related that would cause

    Yeah, seems unlikely. You have to be logged in and browsing a particular sub before it will modify your scan pointer for that sub, and even then only if necessary.

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  • From echicken@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 22:10:12 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Digital Man to echicken on Thu Jan 12 2017 18:28:41

    What if newest_message_header.number is invalid (e.g. NaN or 0xffffffff or
    msgbase.last_msg)? Other than that possibility, the logic is fine.

    Seems like NaN would be fine (the comparison returns false and so the pointer does not get updated). The other two I have never encountered, but they would be bad; I'll add in a check for those.

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 21:15:52 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 18:23:44, Digital Man wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    I'm using the latest ecwebv4, but I'm fairly certain I only posted
    one message to a test area awhile back. So any of the other
    sub-boards I'm seeing this in (DOVE-GEN being one of them, along
    with random ones in other networks as well), shouldn't have been
    affected.

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just reading messages.

    Yes. I guess I should have mentioned that was the last time I read messages on there as well. So it's either something related to DDMsgReader or Synchronet itself, but since you're not seeing it, then I'd have to lean towards DDMsgReader. If Buckaroo didn't completely wipe his message bases when he disabled DDMsgReader and start over with the stock newscan function.. then it probably isn't a good enough test to verify it being Synchronet, and not DDMsgReader.

    We'll figure it out sooner or later. And if we figure out a fix, and the sub-boards need to be cleared in order to not see the issue again, at least it's easy to get all the messages back if desired.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Thu Jan 12 21:21:08 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 18:28:40, Digital Man wrote to echicken:

    (Additionally, it does not modify the 'last_read' property.)

    If that looks incorrect to you, please let me know. I do browse
    messages on my website fairly often now, and I'm not having
    problems like these, so I dunno.

    Yeah, I dunno either. It could also be if they are using anything that modifies their msgs.cnf files and incorrectly/accidentally changes the pointer index files for sub-boards. That'd mess up everyone's scan pointers and configurations for that/those subs.

    I don't think I'm modifying msgs.cnf at all any more. I think it was prior to the voting stuff being added I moved Golded away from Synchronet, using it's own JAM message bases with another tosser altogether.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From KenDB3@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 00:25:24 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Digital Man to KenDB3 on Thu Jan 12 2017 12:45 pm

    There's still some bugs in the legacy/runemaster web UI with regards to the new voting feature. I may need the occasional reminder or push (like this one) to take another look at fixing them.

    Thanks for taking a look :-)

    Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty impressed and excited about V4, I just
    have a lot of work to do in order to translate some of my current
    custom pages over to new formatting, etc. And I would rather have some
    of that work done before doing upgrades.

    I understand. You could disable and avoid the voting feature, but eventually you're going to want that too.

    I'm pretty psyched about it, thanks for all the work you put into it!

    ~KenDB3

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  • From KK4QBN@1:103/705 to echicken on Fri Jan 13 08:54:00 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: echicken to KK4QBN on Thu Jan 12 2017 08:21 pm

    I've been using V4 extensively and have only had issue with the
    POLLS posting incorrectly, never any pointer issues.

    I may have fixed something the other day re: posting poll messages, but I haven't tested it extensively. I'll take another look at it sometime soon.

    I have'nt posted any from the web interface since, but posted one using slyvote and voted with slyvote and it marked my vote wrong, which I know thats not your project, but wonder if there may be a connection.. nah, probably not, but it seems something is off somewhere with one not posting over 4 answers to a poll without farting out, and the other is off by one..

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 08:10:56 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 18:23:44, Digital Man wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just reading messages.

    After what we've already discussed, I'm now completely confused. I just newscanned all areas (using DDMsgReader) this morning, updated the BBS entry in

    the BBS list, and logged off. I then telnetted in about 45 minutes later to find that the HOME_COOKING, and STATS echos on Fidonet were reset to message #1

    when newscanning. I'm also fairly certain I received new messages in both of those areas during the time between telnet sessions.

    That said, I took a look at my logs, and only three events ran during that time

    as well, BINKIT (which runs binkit.js as a client poll, not as a server), FIDOIN, and FIDOOUT.

    Also, a VERT QWK callout was done, but no new messages were received at the time, and I don't see any reason as to why a QWK callout for Dovenet would have

    any affect on Fidonet whatsoever.. so that can more than likely be ruled out.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 08:36:50 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Fri Jan 13 2017 08:10:56, Accession wrote to Digital Man:

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just
    reading messages.

    After what we've already discussed, I'm now completely confused. I
    just newscanned all areas (using DDMsgReader) this morning, updated
    the BBS entry in the BBS list, and logged off. I then telnetted in
    about 45 minutes later to find that the HOME_COOKING, and STATS echos
    on Fidonet were reset to message #1 when newscanning. I'm also fairly certain I received new messages in both of those areas during the time between telnet sessions.

    That said, I took a look at my logs, and only three events ran during
    that time as well, BINKIT (which runs binkit.js as a client poll, not
    as a server), FIDOIN, and FIDOOUT.

    Also, a VERT QWK callout was done, but no new messages were received
    at the time, and I don't see any reason as to why a QWK callout for Dovenet would have any affect on Fidonet whatsoever.. so that can more than likely be ruled out.

    And to add to the above, I just telnetted back in after a VERT QWK callout that

    received two messages in DOVE-ADS and one message in DOVE-HAM (these are just my internal codes, but I'm sure you understand which ones they are), and now a whole mess of sub-boards were reset to message #1 across 4 networks, and I can't find a relation whatsoever except that all of the sub-boards that this to

    happen to, seems to happen each time this occurs.

    What boggles me is that it's all over 4-5 networks, and only one has QWK networking enabled (Dovenet), whereas all the others are FTN only.

    If Buckaroo and myself are the only ones experiencing this, is there a specific

    way to completely wipe the sub-boards clean aside from removing all of the .hash, .ini, .shd, and .sid files in /sbbs/data/subs?

    Last, not sure if this matters much, but I have one sub-board (0n-code) that seems to create extra files in /sbbs/data/subs:

    [axisd@hardwiredpi subs]# ls -al 0n-code*
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sid
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sid

    If I delete the three odd ones (.sdt.*), they show back up at some point or another. I've checked the sub-board config in SCFG as well as areas.bbs, and there seems to be no problems in either of them.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Jan 13 12:08:02 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 2017 08:10 am

    Hello Digital,

    On Thu Jan 12 2017 18:23:44, Digital Man wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just reading messages.

    After what we've already discussed, I'm now completely confused. I just newscanned all areas (using DDMsgReader) this morning, updated the BBS entry in
    the BBS list, and logged off. I then telnetted in about 45 minutes later to find that the HOME_COOKING, and STATS echos on Fidonet were reset to message #1
    when newscanning. I'm also fairly certain I received new messages in both of those areas during the time between telnet sessions.

    That said, I took a look at my logs, and only three events ran during that time
    as well, BINKIT (which runs binkit.js as a client poll, not as a server), FIDOIN, and FIDOOUT.

    Also, a VERT QWK callout was done, but no new messages were received at the time, and I don't see any reason as to why a QWK callout for Dovenet would have
    any affect on Fidonet whatsoever.. so that can more than likely be ruled out.

    I suggest removing DDMsgReader from the equation for a while, just as a test.

    digital man

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Jan 13 12:10:32 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 2017 08:36 am

    Hello Digital,

    On Fri Jan 13 2017 08:10:56, Accession wrote to Digital Man:

    Posting doesn't (or shouldn't) affect new-scan pointers, just
    reading messages.

    After what we've already discussed, I'm now completely confused. I
    just newscanned all areas (using DDMsgReader) this morning, updated
    the BBS entry in the BBS list, and logged off. I then telnetted in about 45 minutes later to find that the HOME_COOKING, and STATS echos on Fidonet were reset to message #1 when newscanning. I'm also fairly certain I received new messages in both of those areas during the time between telnet sessions.

    That said, I took a look at my logs, and only three events ran during that time as well, BINKIT (which runs binkit.js as a client poll, not as a server), FIDOIN, and FIDOOUT.

    Also, a VERT QWK callout was done, but no new messages were received
    at the time, and I don't see any reason as to why a QWK callout for Dovenet would have any affect on Fidonet whatsoever.. so that can more than likely be ruled out.

    And to add to the above, I just telnetted back in after a VERT QWK callout that
    received two messages in DOVE-ADS and one message in DOVE-HAM (these are just my internal codes, but I'm sure you understand which ones they are), and now a whole mess of sub-boards were reset to message #1 across 4 networks, and I can't find a relation whatsoever except that all of the sub-boards that this to
    happen to, seems to happen each time this occurs.

    What boggles me is that it's all over 4-5 networks, and only one has QWK networking enabled (Dovenet), whereas all the others are FTN only.

    If Buckaroo and myself are the only ones experiencing this, is there a specific
    way to completely wipe the sub-boards clean aside from removing all of the .hash, .ini, .shd, and .sid files in /sbbs/data/subs?

    Pointers are stored in sbbs/data/subs, so cleaning the subs won't resolve anything.

    Last, not sure if this matters much, but I have one sub-board (0n-code) that seems to create extra files in /sbbs/data/subs:

    [axisd@hardwiredpi subs]# ls -al 0n-code*
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sid
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sid

    If I delete the three odd ones (.sdt.*), they show back up at some point or another. I've checked the sub-board config in SCFG as well as areas.bbs, and there seems to be no problems in either of them.

    Should your event command-lines. They're 0-byte files, so most likely you're trying to run smbutil or another smb-related program with a bad path to the sub-board base-filename.

    digital man

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 14:44:20 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Fri Jan 13 2017 12:08:02, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    I suggest removing DDMsgReader from the equation for a while, just as
    a test.

    I'm waiting on an answer from Buckaroo, who said he had already tried this with

    no change. I'd just like to know some more specifics about how he went about it. DDMsgReader is pretty integrated over here, and it runs other mods as well (message and file group/sub-board choosers, message index listing, etc, so it might be quite a bit of work, although I know it's most likely the only way to really test it.

    Actually, I may just be able to remove DDMsgReader's newscan from the login process. If that's the case it'll be way easier.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Accession@1:103/705 to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 14:48:40 2017
    Hello Digital,

    On Fri Jan 13 2017 12:10:32, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    If Buckaroo and myself are the only ones experiencing this, is
    there a specific way to completely wipe the sub-boards clean aside
    from removing all of the .hash, .ini, .shd, and .sid files in
    /sbbs/data/subs?

    Pointers are stored in sbbs/data/subs, so cleaning the subs won't
    resolve anything.

    I was only wondering in case there are some messed up messages causing (that chksmb isn't seeing) this from when the voting was first introduced. I'm fairly

    certain I did updates during the process while it was unfinished.

    Last, not sure if this matters much, but I have one sub-board
    (0n-code) that seems to create extra files in /sbbs/data/subs:

    [axisd@hardwiredpi subs]# ls -al 0n-code*
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sid
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sid

    If I delete the three odd ones (.sdt.*), they show back up at some
    point or another. I've checked the sub-board config in SCFG as well
    as areas.bbs, and there seems to be no problems in either of them.

    Should your event command-lines. They're 0-byte files, so most likely you're trying to run smbutil or another smb-related program with a bad path to the sub-board base-filename.

    My event command line for MSGMAINT is "%!smbutil%. mp1000 *.shd" without quotes, and starts in the ../data/subs directory. I haven't messed with it so it's most likely unchanged from the original install, and my logs show:

    Jan 13 05:01:00 hardwiredpi synchronet[329]: evnt Running native timed event: MSGMAINT
    Jan 13 05:01:01 hardwiredpi synchronet[329]: evnt Timed event: MSGMAINT returned 0

    So it should be running correctly, no?

    Aside from that, I don't post any messages to that area using smbutil either. Since those were dated Jan 5, I'll delete them and keep an eye out to see if they show up again. Is it possible that the SBLMAINT event (which runs "sbl%. -m") would do some kind of a scan of message sub-boards? I disabled that awhile

    back due to it failing every time it ran (since I recompiled it for the Pi).

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Digital Man@1:103/705 to Accession on Fri Jan 13 14:38:56 2017
    Re: Question about Voting and the old Web UI
    By: Accession to Digital Man on Fri Jan 13 2017 02:48 pm

    Hello Digital,

    On Fri Jan 13 2017 12:10:32, Digital Man wrote to Accession:

    If Buckaroo and myself are the only ones experiencing this, is
    there a specific way to completely wipe the sub-boards clean aside
    from removing all of the .hash, .ini, .shd, and .sid files in
    /sbbs/data/subs?

    Pointers are stored in sbbs/data/subs, so cleaning the subs won't resolve anything.

    I was only wondering in case there are some messed up messages causing (that chksmb isn't seeing) this from when the voting was first introduced. I'm fairly
    certain I did updates during the process while it was unfinished.

    Last, not sure if this matters much, but I have one sub-board
    (0n-code) that seems to create extra files in /sbbs/data/subs:

    [axisd@hardwiredpi subs]# ls -al 0n-code*
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sdt
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Jan 5 07:09 0n-code.sdt.sid
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.shd
    -rw------- 1 root root 0 Nov 27 18:26 0n-code.sid

    If I delete the three odd ones (.sdt.*), they show back up at some
    point or another. I've checked the sub-board config in SCFG as well
    as areas.bbs, and there seems to be no problems in either of them.

    Should your event command-lines. They're 0-byte files, so most likely you're trying to run smbutil or another smb-related program with a bad path to the sub-board base-filename.

    My event command line for MSGMAINT is "%!smbutil%. mp1000 *.shd" without quotes, and starts in the ../data/subs directory. I haven't messed with it so it's most likely unchanged from the original install, and my logs show:

    Jan 13 05:01:00 hardwiredpi synchronet[329]: evnt Running native timed event: MSGMAINT
    Jan 13 05:01:01 hardwiredpi synchronet[329]: evnt Timed event: MSGMAINT returned 0

    So it should be running correctly, no?

    Yes, that looks correct. If you delete the 0n-code.sdt.* files and they automatically reappear, then you want start looking at your logs and comparing to the creation timestamp of the files to find the cause.

    Aside from that, I don't post any messages to that area using smbutil either. Since those were dated Jan 5, I'll delete them and keep an eye out to see if they show up again. Is it possible that the SBLMAINT event (which runs "sbl%. -m") would do some kind of a scan of message sub-boards? I disabled that awhile
    back due to it failing every time it ran (since I recompiled it for the Pi).

    sbl (the main executable) does not access message bases, so no.

    digital man

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