Hey All,

My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down. Does anyone know if they will be back up sometime soon?
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Hello Chad,

On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 14:12:00 -0800, Chad Sharp -> All wrote:

My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and
now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down. Does anyone know
if they will be back up sometime soon?

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his cable/internet service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Regards,
Nick

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My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down.

looking at my event window, between 10:06 am & 12:06 pm pac. time is when vert. went down, I use the cvs address.

Does anyone know if they will be back up sometime soon?

he down for a move, see Synchronet Announcements


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Hi Nicholas,

On 2016-12-20 21:36:40, you wrote to Chad Sharp:

My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and
now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down. Does anyone know
if they will be back up sometime soon?

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred,

On Wed Dec 21 2016 08:52:08, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he
gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just
hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

That is not the fault of the person providing the service. That is the fault of

the sysops who rely on only that one single service. While he provides a DNS service, he is still indeed just a sysop like everyone else. *shrug*

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Vert?
By: Accession to Wilfred van Velzen on Thu Dec 22 2016 10:50 pm

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net
hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

That is not the fault of the person providing the service. That is the fault of the sysops who rely on only that one single service. While he provides a DNS service, he is still indeed just a sysop like everyone else. *shrug*

Yup, and the last I could remember no ones life ever depended on being able to contact a bbs :-) I coulnt tell much difference that the hostname was down any yesterday, still had endless MIrai bot attempts, and all that good stuff.. business as usual..

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You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his cable/internet service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Interestingly, my BBS is apparently still exchanging Dove-Net messages from VERT (I keep seeing new messages posted on Dove-Net). I know his systems are down, and his BBS web site at vert.synchro.net isn't loading, so I'm wondering how my BBS is able to connect & exchange Dove-Net messages right now.

Nightfox

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Hello Nightfox,

On Fri Dec 23 2016 09:37:22, Nightfox wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Interestingly, my BBS is apparently still exchanging Dove-Net messages from VERT (I keep seeing new messages posted on Dove-Net). I know his systems are down, and his BBS web site at vert.synchro.net isn't
loading, so I'm wondering how my BBS is able to connect & exchange Dove-Net messages right now.

I wouldn't think it would take 3 days to get his services back up (the move was

Tuesday, I believe), so I'm guessing he's having some issues. While I have seen

Dovenet messages, I'm set to connect to his system hourly, my logs are showing a lot of failed attempts to connect with a few random connects in between (ie: 3-4 hours apart this afternoon it seems). So I'm not sure what's going on.

Regards,
Nick

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Hi,

On 2016-12-22 22:50:08, Accession wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Vert?":

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he
gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just
hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net
hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

That is not the fault of the person providing the service. That is the fault of the sysops who rely on only that one single service. While he provides a DNS service, he is still indeed just a sysop like everyone

else.

It's still a spof. So maybe this could be an incentive to improve that?

The irc network was down too. If there were some more links between the different systems (fidoweb style ;)), that might not have happend...

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello Wilfred,

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 11:54:20 +0100, Wilfred van Velzen -> Accession wrote:

That is not the fault of the person providing the service. That is the
fault of the sysops who rely on only that one single service. While he
provides a DNS service, he is still indeed just a sysop like everyone
else.

It's still a spof. So maybe this could be an incentive to improve that?

Improve it how? I use my *.synchro.net address for DNS updating only, as well as some default settings that are used to connect to the synchro.net services. Otherwise I use my own paid for DNSs with free ones as backups.

The irc network was down too. If there were some more links between the different systems (fidoweb style ;)), that might not have happend...

Mine wasn't down, but my (and everyone else's) link to Rob's IRC service is/was. We can link our IRC service to any server we want, but most of us choose to use the default and link to Rob's system because it is, well.. the Synchronet IRC network.

Would you rather me link my service to Freenode where BBS and/or Synchronet discussion is non-existant? :)

I could possibly see something in the lines of the Synchronet BBS list where everyone else's IRC servers are passed around to all connected systems so you basically have a list to choose from.. but as far as I know you can only link your IRC server to one other server at a time (which I don't think is Synchronet specific - that may be normal IRC operation). When you connect to a new server, you disconnect from the previous one. I don't think it's build like

a client where you can connect to multiple servers at once, but I could be wrong..?

With that said, if Rob really wanted to - he could setup all the services that are linkable at a hosting facility or something, where uptime wouldn't be affected if he himself were to move his systems and/or internet, but that's completely up to him and then more money is involved.

Personally, with how much conversation actually goes on on IRC most of the time

(of course, there are times where there is quite a bit going on as well, but not nearly as often), I don't really think it's much of an issue losing the service while Rob moves. It will be back up shortly, and netsplits and idling will commence as usual. :)

Regards,
Nick

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Re: Vert?
By: Nicholas Boel to Wilfred van Velzen on Sat Dec 24 2016 08:58:16

Mine wasn't down, but my (and everyone else's) link to Rob's IRC service is/was. We can link our IRC service to any server we want, but most of us choose to use the default and link to Rob's system because it is, well.. the Synchronet IRC network.

We could spread our IRC network around a bit more if we wanted to, but at the end of the day if Vert is down there's going to be a big netsplit. Most servers would be using the default configuration anyway.

With that said, if Rob really wanted to - he could setup all the services that are linkable at a hosting facility or something, where uptime wouldn't be affected if he himself were to move his systems and/or internet, but that's completely up to him and then more money is involved.

I suppose an argument could be made for doing that with some of these services, but I know that he likes running his own servers at home. I'm with you; it's not something that happens often, and it's just BBS stuff. A few days of outage (amidst years of fairly reliable service) isn't a big deal.

Re: DNS, it's any sysop's choice to go with the free SPOF vs. paying for something instead. And everyone loves FREE BBS SERVICES amirite?

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On 2016 Dec 24 08:58:16, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

That is not the fault of the person providing the service. That is
the fault of the sysops who rely on only that one single service.
While he provides a DNS service, he is still indeed just a sysop
like everyone else.

It's still a spof. So maybe this could be an incentive to improve
that?

Improve it how? I use my *.synchro.net address for DNS updating only,
as well as some default settings that are used to connect to the synchro.net services. Otherwise I use my own paid for DNSs with free
ones as backups.

i suspect he is/was talking about multiple DNS and possibly also Dynamic Domain
Update servers so that if the main synchro.net server(s) are down for some reason, then those addresses can still be updated and be accurate in the DNS...

The irc network was down too. If there were some more links between
the different systems (fidoweb style ;)), that might not have
happend...

Mine wasn't down, but my (and everyone else's) link to Rob's IRC service is/was. We can link our IRC service to any server we want, but most of us choose to use the default and link to Rob's system because it is, well.. the Synchronet IRC network.

the problem, such as it is, it the netsplits when the main server that everyone
is linked to is down... each system then becomes its own little puddle unless the operators take steps to relink to other systems and join the puddles together to make a larger pond...

Would you rather me link my service to Freenode where BBS and/or Synchronet discussion is non-existant? :)

if someone were to create the channels and maintain them, it might not be that way... the sticking point being the terms of service and all the bots... many botnets use channels on the common IRC networks...

I could possibly see something in the lines of the Synchronet BBS list where everyone else's IRC servers are passed around to all connected systems so you basically have a list to choose from.. but as far as I know you can only link your IRC server to one other server at a time (which I don't think is Synchronet specific - that may be normal IRC operation).

AFAIK this is true... if there's a netsplit then the operators link elsewhere in the network and get reconnected... i've seen that many times in the past when i did a whole lot more IRC than i do these days...

When you connect to a new server, you disconnect from the previous
one. I don't think it's build like a client where you can connect to multiple servers at once, but I could be wrong..?

the things about clients being connected to multiple servers and being in the same channels is the duplicate users and that each channel window is separate from the others... i don't think you can bond or combine two #BBS channels on two different IRC servers within the client... you couldn't do that back then, anyway...

With that said, if Rob really wanted to - he could setup all the
services that are linkable at a hosting facility or something, where uptime wouldn't be affected if he himself were to move his systems
and/or internet, but that's completely up to him and then more money
is involved.

that is a very valid point, there :)

Personally, with how much conversation actually goes on on IRC most of
the time (of course, there are times where there is quite a bit going
on as well, but not nearly as often), I don't really think it's much
of an issue losing the service while Rob moves. It will be back up shortly, and netsplits and idling will commence as usual. :)

hahahaha... that's also a very true and valid point :)

any idea how the move is going and when everything will be back online and fully operational? i see your post came through the vertrauen gateway into fidonet...

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Nicholas Boel on Wed Dec 21 2016 08:52 am

Hi Nicholas,

On 2016-12-20 21:36:40, you wrote to Chad Sharp:

My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and
now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down. Does anyone know
if they will be back up sometime soon?

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

digital man

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Re: Vert?
By: Nightfox to Nicholas Boel on Fri Dec 23 2016 09:37 am

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his cable/internet service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Interestingly, my BBS is apparently still exchanging Dove-Net messages from VERT (I keep seeing new messages posted on Dove-Net). I know his systems are down, and his BBS web site at vert.synchro.net isn't loading, so I'm wondering how my BBS is able to connect & exchange Dove-Net messages right now.

dove.synchro.net is a revolving hostname that goes between 2 systems: cvs (Debian Linux) and vert (Windows 10). cvs was brought back online on Tuesday, while vert took more time due to a hard disk failure. Some of my services are hosted on both and some hosted on just one depending on stuff. :-)

digital man

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kk4qbn wrote to Accession <=-

Yup, and the last I could remember no ones life ever depended on being able to contact a bbs :-) I coulnt tell much difference that the

I beg to disagree. I have had occasion to save lives (from suicide), because I ran a BBS, and users felt like they could talk to me, as someone already entrusted with some degree of personal information about them (more so in my case, because of how my BBS was setup). Guess I was a bit like a digital bartender in a small, intimate bar - an ear that was there for people who needed it.

However, I don't see that as likely these days. There's a lot more places online for people to go for help now, and my new systems are quite different, though the potential is still there in the future. For me, the answer is:

1. Get a static IP address, whether by paying a bit extra from your ISP or using other techniques (e.g. VPN).

2. Use a reliable DNS host with geographically separated nameservers. With static IPs, you can keep your TTL relatively long (except when planning an IP change), so resolver caches don't time out too soon. Or if you're tech savvy, you could setup your own DNS service on a couple of VPSs in different parts of the world.

I use a VPN to give each BBS a unique static IP, and I have scripts that monitor connectivity and will attempt to re-establish the tunnel if connectivity is lost. Some of my names are hosted by my tunnel provider, others are hosted by my domain registrar.


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You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

hmmm, you might add that to the dyndns.js file (after you get the ok first)


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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Nicholas Boel on Wed Dec 21 2016 08:52 am

Hi Nicholas,

On 2016-12-20 21:36:40, you wrote to Chad Sharp:

My system has not been able to connect to Vert in two days, and
now CVS, IRC, QWK, and Verts FTP are all down. Does anyone know
if they will be back up sometime soon?

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so
hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

just looked in the dyndns.js and that address was not listed in it... just added it just in case
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Hi,

On 2016-12-24 12:25:10, Digital Man wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Vert?":

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net
hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

I don't think they were. I tried a couple of the *.synchro.net hostnames, and none resolved...?

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello echicken,

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:14:42 -0500, echicken -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

Mine wasn't down, but my (and everyone else's) link to Rob's IRC service
is/was. We can link our IRC service to any server we want, but most of us
choose to use the default and link to Rob's system because it is, well..
the Synchronet IRC network.

We could spread our IRC network around a bit more if we wanted to, but at

the

end of the day if Vert is down there's going to be a big netsplit. Most servers would be using the default configuration anyway.

Exactly. And if Rob didn't offer the Synchronet IRC service, we would probably all still be on boring ol' Efnet. :)

With that said, if Rob really wanted to - he could setup all the services
that are linkable at a hosting facility or something, where uptime
wouldn't be affected if he himself were to move his systems and/or
internet, but that's completely up to him and then more money is involved.

I suppose an argument could be made for doing that with some of these

services,

but I know that he likes running his own servers at home. I'm with you;

it's

As do most sysops.

not something that happens often, and it's just BBS stuff. A few days of

outage

(amidst years of fairly reliable service) isn't a big deal.

Agreed.

Re: DNS, it's any sysop's choice to go with the free SPOF vs. paying for something instead. And everyone loves FREE BBS SERVICES amirite?

But of course! That's gotta be a hell of a lot better than polluting CVS with shitting code! :D :D :D

Regards,
Nick

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Hello mark,

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:28:58 -0500, mark lewis -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

i suspect he is/was talking about multiple DNS and possibly also Dynamic Domain
Update servers so that if the main synchro.net server(s) are down for some reason, then those addresses can still be updated and be accurate in the

DNS...

Point is, Rob offers a free service. The rest of us choose to use it or not, and also choose to have backup DNSs ourselves (or not).

the problem, such as it is, it the netsplits when the main server that everyone

It was never a problem, IMO.

is linked to is down... each system then becomes its own little puddle

unless

the operators take steps to relink to other systems and join the puddles together to make a larger pond...

Or just wait the few days - that we were warned ahead of time about - till the service is back up and operational again.

Would you rather me link my service to Freenode where BBS and/or
Synchronet discussion is non-existant? :)

if someone were to create the channels and maintain them, it might not be

that

way... the sticking point being the terms of service and all the bots...

many

botnets use channels on the common IRC networks...

Hasn't been done as of yet, and I don't really think there would be much of a point in doing so as all it would really do is separate and divide what we've already established over the years. We had the same issue about a decade ago with thebbs.org and others that tried setting up their own networks for the same exact purpose. All it does is spread everyone out more thin than it already is. Eventually we all came back together to form one network and stick with it.

the things about clients being connected to multiple servers and being in

the

same channels is the duplicate users and that each channel window is

separate

from the others... i don't think you can bond or combine two #BBS channels

on

two different IRC servers within the client... you couldn't do that back

then,

anyway...

Exactly. Which is why I didn't really see a point in doing anything except waiting for the services to be brought back. We had plenty of fore-warning what

was going to happen and when.. so I wasn't concerned about it at all.

any idea how the move is going and when everything will be back online and fully operational? i see your post came through the vertrauen gateway into fidonet...

If you didn't catch it yet, I believe he announced that everything was back in full operation today, although there seemed to be spurts in the past few days where I got mail via Vertrauen anyways (possibly due to the DNS rotation of whatever sort he told me about once).

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Digital,

On Sat, 24 Dec 2016 12:25:10 -0800, Digital Man -> Wilfred van Velzen wrote:

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net
hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames

should

still have been resolving while I was down.

If he was referring to my IRC server, I'm not sure if I have that one setup (since I never knew about it). Eh well. The end of the world didn't happen with

Synchronet IRC being down for a few days. :)

Regards,
Nick

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On 2016 Dec 24 21:50:58, you wrote to me:

i suspect he is/was talking about multiple DNS and possibly also
Dynamic Domain Update servers so that if the main synchro.net
server(s) are down for some reason, then those addresses can still be
updated and be accurate in the DNS...

Point is, Rob offers a free service. The rest of us choose to use it
or not, and also choose to have backup DNSs ourselves (or not).

we know that... others may not... they may also be so stuck on SPOF stuff that it overrides their common sense about some things ;)

the problem, such as it is, it the netsplits when the main server
that everyone

It was never a problem, IMO.

that's why i said "such as it is" ;)

is linked to is down... each system then becomes its own little
puddle unless the operators take steps to relink to other systems and
join the puddles together to make a larger pond...

Or just wait the few days - that we were warned ahead of time about -
till the service is back up and operational again.

never saw that post on this side of the gateway... didn't even know he was moving until someone pointed it out about the lower traffic flow...

Would you rather me link my service to Freenode where BBS and/or
Synchronet discussion is non-existant? :)

if someone were to create the channels and maintain them, it might
not be that way... the sticking point being the terms of service and
all the bots... many botnets use channels on the common IRC
networks...

Hasn't been done as of yet,

what hasn't been done? creating the channels and maintaining them?

and I don't really think there would be much of a point in doing so as
all it would really do is separate and divide what we've already established over the years. We had the same issue about a decade ago
with thebbs.org and others that tried setting up their own networks
for the same exact purpose. All it does is spread everyone out more
thin than it already is. Eventually we all came back together to form
one network and stick with it.

yup... i used to set up and maintain channels for remoteaccess but it got to be
such a hassle dealing with the different rules on the different networks and no
one else was showing up so finally i just quit doing it... that and the fact that i moved from winwhatever so wasn't able to use my registered mIRC with all
of the scripts and protections i had worked on for so long...

the things about clients being connected to multiple servers and
being in the same channels is the duplicate users and that each
channel window is separate from the others... i don't think you can
bond or combine two #BBS channels on two different IRC servers within
the client... you couldn't do that back then, anyway...

Exactly. Which is why I didn't really see a point in doing anything
except waiting for the services to be brought back. We had plenty of fore-warning what was going to happen and when.. so I wasn't concerned about it at all.

like i said above, i didn't see anything posted about it in this or SYNCHRONET and i read every single message that arrives on my system... i even looked on my main system and didn't find anything... not even in my BADMSGS area...

any idea how the move is going and when everything will be back
online and fully operational? i see your post came through the
vertrauen gateway into fidonet...

If you didn't catch it yet, I believe he announced that everything was back in full operation today, although there seemed to be spurts in
the past few days where I got mail via Vertrauen anyways (possibly due
to the DNS rotation of whatever sort he told me about once).

yeah, have seen the traffic spurts and a post or two from DM... hate that he had a drive problem... that's the worst thing i hate about running a BBS or a server, really... those drives spin and spin and spin and do great but when they go from hot to cold during a "no power" scenario, they could have problems
coming back up... i've got some, here, that have been spinning for almost two decades with maybe 10 or 20 "no power" scenarios... none of them are making any
growling noises but they still scare me when powering them up...

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whoa... izzat three net gating i see??

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Robert E Starr JR to Digital Man on Sat Dec 24 2016 04:15 pm

You must have missed the announcement that DM was moving his

cable/internet

service to the new house today. It'll be back up as soon as he gets everything up and running again at the new place. So just hang tight.

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

hmmm, you might add that to the dyndns.js file (after you get the ok first)

I think you misunderstood. There's a back-up DNS server at dns2.synchro.net, so *.synchro.net can still resolve to IP addresses even if dns1.synchro.net is absent/down. This is not to say that dns2.synchro.net is running the dynamic DNS update service (it is not). The Dynamic-DNS update service is only running at dyndns.synchro.net and this is separate from the DNS server.

digital man

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: bgdjr to Digital Man on Sat Dec 24 2016 06:37 pm

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

just looked in the dyndns.js and that address was not listed in it... just added it just in case

You'll want to remove that as dns2.synchro.net does not run the dynamic update service.

digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #81:
Vertrauen has had the FidoNet node number 1:103/705 since 1992.
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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Wilfred van Velzen to Digital Man on Sat Dec 24 2016 11:09 pm

Hi,

On 2016-12-24 12:25:10, Digital Man wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Re: Vert?":

Including his DNS servers, so everybody that uses a xxx.synchro.net
hostname, is unreachable. Talking about a SPOF. :-(

There's a back-up DNS (dns2.synchro.net), not hosted by me, so hostnames should still have been resolving while I was down.

I don't think they were. I tried a couple of the *.synchro.net hostnames, and none resolved...?

Then there's something wrong with your DNS client configuration? DNS2.SYNCHRO.NET is clearly listed as a name server for the synchro.net domain and was up the whole time: http://www.whois.com/whois/synchro.net

digital man

Synchronet "Real Fact" #5:
Synchronet version 3 for Win32 development began in 1999.
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mark lewis wrote to Nicholas Boel <=-

yup... i used to set up and maintain channels for remoteaccess but it
got to be such a hassle dealing with the different rules on the
different networks and no one else was showing up so finally i just
quit doing it... that and the fact that i moved from winwhatever so
wasn't able to use my registered mIRC with all of the scripts and protections i had worked on for so long...

Actually, mIRC runs perfectly well under WINE on both Linux and Mac (I've done it), so ditching Windows doesn't mean ditching mIRC. My mIRC setup that I've had since the late 90s (with numerous upgrades, of course) last ran under WINE on the Mac. I have to copy it across to the current Windows box one of these days. :)


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On 2016 Dec 26 07:35:00, you wrote to me:

yup... i used to set up and maintain channels for remoteaccess but it
got to be such a hassle dealing with the different rules on the
different networks and no one else was showing up so finally i just
quit doing it... that and the fact that i moved from winwhatever so
wasn't able to use my registered mIRC with all of the scripts and
protections i had worked on for so long...

Actually, mIRC runs perfectly well under WINE on both Linux and Mac
(I've done it), so ditching Windows doesn't mean ditching mIRC. My
mIRC setup that I've had since the late 90s (with numerous upgrades,
of course) last ran under WINE on the Mac. I have to copy it across
to the current Windows box one of these days. :)

hell, i might try it then... but that means putting wine on the system... then to also figure out how to import my registration keys... i don't know... maybe...

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mark lewis wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

hell, i might try it then... but that means putting wine on the
system... then to also figure out how to import my registration keys...
i don't know... maybe...

I remember transferring my registration at one stage, so I'm sure that can be done (I have a registered mIRC too). Yeah, worth the effort, mIRC under WINE is pretty transparent. I tried native IRC clients on both Mac and Linux and kept going back to mIRC. :)


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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Digital Man to Wilfred van Velzen on Sun Dec 25 2016 01:07 pm

Then there's something wrong with your DNS client configuration? DNS2.SYNCHRO.NET is clearly listed as a name server for the synchro.net domain and was up the whole time: http://www.whois.com/whois/synchro.net

there must be something wrong with everybodys. While you were gone DM, no
ones *.Synchro.net address worked, most of the boards on my syncterm were unconnectable and mine itself would not resolve. Luckily I had a backup at darktech.org

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Dribble to Digital Man on Mon Dec 26 2016 12:48 am

there must be something wrong with everybodys. While you were gone DM, no ones *.Synchro.net address worked, most of the boards on my syncterm were unconnectable and mine itself would not resolve. Luckily I had a backup at darktech.org

My board was reachable the entire time.

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Dribble to Digital Man on Mon Dec 26 2016 12:48 am

there must be something wrong with everybodys. While you were gone DM, no ones *.Synchro.net address worked, most of the boards on my syncterm were unconnectable and mine itself would not resolve. Luckily I had a backup at darktech.org

My valhalla.synchro.net was up the whole time also. Could you have had an ip change triggered by your isp. If that is the case, it would not have taken affect till DM's sytems was back online.

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Re: Re: Vert?
By: Ralph Smole to Dribble on Mon Dec 26 2016 08:23 am

My board was reachable the entire time.

So was mine.

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