has anyone got Mystic BBS to work with rusty Johnson's Doors??



I'm having a rough time getting doors to work with Mystic BBS



I have done what the doc says to do, I think, and it just doesn't work.



In the Docs it says the menu setup command is DG, but I can only find DD for

external doors.

can someone share their setup??



Thanx
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Hello Ib.

27 May 17 21:59, you wrote to all:

has anyone got Mystic BBS to work with rusty Johnson's Doors??

I'm having a rough time getting doors to work with Mystic BBS

I have done what the doc says to do, I think, and it just doesn't
work.

In the Docs it says the menu setup command is DG, but I can only find
DD for

external doors.

can someone share their setup??

Can you share what operating system do you use? If your OS is 64-bit based, it's much more complicated... Also, if you share what's the output you get when trying to execute the door would help a lot.

Flavio

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: Flavio Bessa to Ib Joe on Sun May 28 2017 11:49 am

can someone share their setup??

Can you share what operating system do you use? If your OS is 64-bit

based, it's much more complicated... Also, if you share what's the output yo

get when trying to execute the door would help a lot.

Flavio

I run the BBS XP, 32Bit... I like Mystic BBS but I have always found challanges

making doors work. I think I'm at threshhold with trying to get this to

work. I have been a sysop since 1991, and this is a bugger to get to work...

things just seem to work with WINS... SynchroNET... Mystic on the other hand...



the command line is something like c:\mystic\netfoss\ nf.bat /N%3 /H%0

\doors\rusty\solitree\godoor.bat %3.... the %3 passes the node#. The batch

file reads...



set node=%1

cd\doors\rusty\solitree

solitree



the BBS starts the fossil driver, as seen through the terminal, but does not

start the door.... no DOS box opens...



I tried simpler doors to run... Stack'em.... doesn't even need a fossil...

can't get mystic to run it... can get Synchronet to run them in 2.5 seconds...



The reasons I like Mystic are starting to evaporate quickly...



Thanx

Jos
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On 2017 May 27 21:59:48, you wrote to All:

In the Docs it says the menu setup command is DG, but I can only find DD for external doors.

what docs for what software? rusty's or mystic?

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the BBS starts the fossil driver, as seen through the terminal, but does not

start the door.... no DOS box opens...

According to your own description: Mystic is doing 100% of what you're telling it to do, which is to run NetFoss. The rest is on you to setup NetFoss and the door correctly.

When Mystic runs it creates all of its drop files in that node's temporary directory. So if you have Mystic installed in C:\MYSTIC and you are on node 1, then all of the drop files (DOOR.SYS, etc) will be created in C:\MYSTIC\TEMP1\

Do you have your doors set up to find these files? There is really no way to help you here without more information. The job Mystic is supposed to do is being done. The rest is on the door configration, which we cannot see in
that batch file.

I tried simpler doors to run... Stack'em.... doesn't even need a
fossil...

You need to configure Stack'em to use Fossil, otherwise its trying to use a MS-DOS modem which obviously isn't going to work here. :)

The reasons I like Mystic are starting to evaporate quickly...

There are 20 years of history and tons of Mystic BBSes right now with doors working. But clearly the problem is Mystic and not your understanding
right?

This community these days, I swear lol...

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: mark lewis to Ib Joe on Sun May 28 2017 11:40 am

what docs for what software? rusty's or mystic?

)\/(ark

Docs, there is a single page document on how to get LORD to run in the mystic

directory.



As for rusty's stuff.... just what I know.... when you set the door up you cn

configure the door to look for an environment veriable.... WINS WCNODEID OR

SYNNCHRONETS SBBSNNUM.... in the door docks it says you can set one up in the

batch file like I used with the set statement set node=%1



In the lame mystic documentation on how to get LORD to run it said %3 was

passing the node #



not sure where to turn....
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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Sun May 28 2017 01:39 pm

I half expected this kind of response...



I set doors up all the time... in WINS or Synchronet can do it blind folded...



Of course I have the doors configured to look into the \mystic\temp?\

directory. Been playing with BBSes since 1991...



I think I may have talked myself out of Mystic.... setup all of rusty's doors

today, 28 of them under synchronet in 40 minutes.



Not that I don't want to learn... just don't want the frustration...
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On 05/28/17, Ib Joe pondered and said...

I run the BBS XP, 32Bit... I like Mystic BBS but I have always found challanges

making doors work. I think I'm at threshhold with trying to get this to

work. I have been a sysop since 1991, and this is a bugger to get to

[snip]

the command line is something like c:\mystic\netfoss\ nf.bat /N%3 /H%0

\doors\rusty\solitree\godoor.bat %3.... the %3 passes the node#. The batch

file reads...
set node=%1
cd\doors\rusty\solitree
solitree

the BBS starts the fossil driver, as seen through the terminal, but does not start the door.... no DOS box opens...

Hi there :)

In the case of LORD I use the following

Command | (D3) Exec DOOR32 program
Data | c:\netfoss\nf.bat /N%3 /H%0 c:\doors\lord\start.bat %3
Access |
Execute | Select


My nf.bat file reads like this

@echo off
c:\netfoss\netfoss.com %1
rem ** If running a non-door32.sys system, add a " %1" to end of above line ** if errorlevel 1 goto end
c:\netfoss\netcom.exe %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
c:\netfoss\netfoss.com /u
:end

The start.bat file reads like this

C:
CD\DOORS\LORD
@ECHO OFF

IF "%1" == "" GOTO NOSTART

IF EXIST INFO.%1 DEL INFO.%1
IF EXIST DO%1.BAT DEL DO%1.BAT

:BEGIN
LORD.EXE %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 /DREW
IF ERRORLEVEL 255 GOTO DONE
IF ERRORLEVEL 254 GOTO DO1
GOTO DONE

:DO1
CALL DO%1.BAT
GOTO BEGIN

:NOSTART
CALL START.BAT 0
GOTO REALDONE

:DONE
IF EXIST INFO.%1 DEL INFO.%1
IF EXIST DO%1.BAT DEL DO%1.BAT

:REALDONE

Hope this helps.

Mystic has now depreciated a number of door menu commands.

In version 1.12 Alpha 8 the following notes appear in WHATSNEW.TXT

[snip]

Removed all door menu commands except for DD and D3. The old ones will
continue to work for now, but there are only 2 commands (DD and D3) to
execute a DOS or Door32 door. Mystic creates all drop files now for any
door execution.

+ %0 now gives the socket handle on door command lines in Linux (like it does
already in Windows)

[snip]

Info on DD command

[snip]

Data: <command line to execute> /DOS

Description: Creates the DORINFO1.DEF, CHAIN.TXT, and DOOR.SYS drop files in the node's temporary directory. In case sensitive file systems, these files are created with full UPPERCASED letters. If the /DOS option is appended on
to the end of the command line, Mystic will create the drop files in a
DOS text file format, even when used in operating systems like OS X and Linux that used a different text file format.

[snip]

Info on D3 command

[snip]

Data: <command line to execute> /DOS

Description: Creates the DOOR32.SYS drop file in the node's temporary directory. This file is always created in lower cased letters on all operating systems. If the /DOS option is appended on to the end of the command line, Mystic will create the drop files in a DOS text file format, even when used in operating systems like OS X and Linux that used a different text file format.

[snip]

I also note that g00r00 has made some changes to the Wiki page regarding the codes Mystic will replace specific values with if they are found in the
command line ... and flagged for changes in 1.12 Alpha 34 we see...

[snip]


%N = The current node number (added 1.12 A34)
%H = The current socket handle (added 1.12 A34)

[snip]

Alpha 34 is yet to be released.

Best, Paul

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I half expected this kind of response...

You mean the one where I still tried to help you (and still are) despite your disrespecful tone?

I set doors up all the time... in WINS or Synchronet can do it blind folded...

Its not really any different in Mystic as it is in most other DOS-based BBSes, and it takes roughly the same time. You probably have a simple typo or a misunderstanding on how things work, but no one can help you if your motivation is to complain and insult, and not to actually get your doors working.

Here's how doors in Windows work:

Mystic executes NetFoss. If you see NetFoss in your terminal like you said you did, then 100% of what Mystic has to do is being done. *NetFoss* then executes your door and based on your door configuration it redirects its fossil IO...

If the door doesn't work but you see NetFoss in your terminal, then you know the problem is not on the Mystic step. If it were then NetFoss wouldn't show up in the terminal.

Of course I have the doors configured to look into the \mystic\temp?\ directory. Been playing with BBSes since 1991...

The bottom line is this: You need to provide full details on your setup if you want help, and doing so without tossing out insults about the software would probably do you a solid too. You haven't done either of these.

Some people do the "but of course I didn't make a mistake I've been doing this for forever" and get salty, while others post their stuff and get things accomplished. Which person do you want to be?

I think I may have talked myself out of Mystic.... setup all of rusty's doors

today, 28 of them under synchronet in 40 minutes.

Okay sounds good... and if that is true then why are you making this post?

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Tue May 30 2017 04:21 pm

You mean the one where I still tried to help you (and still are) despite you

disrespecful tone?

There is no disrespect, love all aspects of the BBS, just can't get a door to

run... no one wanted to mystic as a BBS more than me...



Could be the fact that I have brought 26 years of BBS SysOping into the mix...

maybe what I know is getting in the way... I may be over thinking it...



I have tried to make the simplest doors to work... command line is

stackem stackem.cfg c:\mystic\temp1\door.sys. Can't get a simpler commanline

then that. All directories correct.... Mystic drops files in the temp1

directory starts the fossil driver and does not open a DOS box to exicute the

door.



I'm not sure what to say.... I thought of using a telnet door to log into

synchronet from mystic to use the doors... but that is a little to desparate on

my part to get mystic to work with doors on my setup.



I have tried everything... I'll just have to use what works, doors are more

important to me than the message base issues I have with synchronet...



Just frustrated with the amount of time I have spent setting up Mystic BBS and

tossing it all out over not being able to get even one DOS door ro run...



Thanx anyway...



Joe
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I have tried to make the simplest doors to work... command line is stackem stackem.cfg c:\mystic\temp1\door.sys. Can't get a simpler commanline

At the bottom I'll show you a Stack'Em setup.

Most likely you didn't set Stack'Em to FOSSIL or you aren't switching to the Stack'Em directory via a batch file before executing the door. Either that or you didn't follow the NetFoss or Mystic instructions correctly (or at all) when you installed NetFoss.

It's difficult to help you because you are still not proving me with your actual setup so I can quickly point out what you did wrong.

Note that many doors do not switch to their own directory when you run them,
so you have to switch to their directory before you execute them. Stack'Em
is one of them.

I posted a step by step guide on setting on NetFoss and LORD the other day. I followed the steps and it took me about 10 minutes total to download Mystic, NetFoss, and LORD and install all of them... Did you read it and follow it?

then that. All directories correct.... Mystic drops files in the temp1

directory starts the fossil driver and does not open a DOS box to
exicute the

As I explained previously, if you see the NetFoss message in your terminal than the problem is not Mystic and is 100% a mistake *you* made in your door configuration.

I have tried everything... I'll just have to use what works, doors are

First set STACKEM to use FOSSIL, then create your menu command in Mystic:

Commmand: DD (Execute external program)
Data: c:\mystic\netfoss\nf.bat /N%3 /H%0 c:\mystic\doors\stackem.bat %3

That's it. Thats all you have to do in Mystic to setup a new door, it takes seconds. Next create STACKEM.BAT which should look like this:

@echo off
rem IT IS CRUCIAL TO CHANGE TO THE DOOR DIRECTORY BEFORE EXECUTING IT!
c:
cd \mystic\doors\stackem
stackem stackem.cfg c:\mystic\temp%1\door.sys

And just in case you didn't install NetFoss correctly I'll show you that too, but make sure you have NETFOSS.DLL in your system32 directory as per its instructions. NF.BAT:

@echo off
c:\mystic\netfoss\netfoss.com %1
if errorlevel 1 goto end
c:\mystic\netfoss\netcom.exe %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9 c:\mystic\netfoss\netfoss.com /u
:end

That is a working setup for NetFoss and Stack'Em that I just did and it works fine and took minutes. The Mystic side took less than a minute. You'll obviously need to adjust based on your directories where you have things.

If you make a mistake, NetFoss and Stack'Em usually make it pretty clear with their error messages where you went wrong... so if it doesn't work WHAT DOES
IT TELL YOU? :)

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Hello Ib!

03 Jun 17 10:02, you wrote to g00r00:

I have tried to make the simplest doors to work... command line is

stackem stackem.cfg c:\mystic\temp1\door.sys. Can't get a simpler commanline

I have stackem running from my linux mystic system via dosemu.
Make sure it's set to use a fossil.

I followed the sample instruction that come with mystic and it worked first time.


Exetype is DD

the command line in mystic is:
"'path to bat file'/stackem.bat" %3 /DOS


The dos bat file is: (d: is the mapped mystic dir under dosemu)


c:
cd\stackem
stackem stackem.cfg d:\temp%1\door.sys








Stephen


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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Sat Jun 03 2017 01:59 pm

Listen...

sorry to say... the door is setup correctly.



with respect to the netfoss setup... just cut a paste the bat file like in your

exqample.



I run a batch file just like the one you wrote...



cd \doors\stackem

stackem stackem.cfg c:\mystic\temp%1\door.sys



the paths are all correct and no spelling mistakes, none what so ever.



I even try it without the %1 and use temp1 incase the node number is not being

passed...



the fossil starts and there is no dos box open where it's even trying to run

the door... just nothing.... times out after a few seconds and heads back to

the BBS.



:)



Joe
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On 2017 Jun 03 20:41:24, you wrote to g00r00:

I even try it without the %1 and use temp1 incase the node number is not being passed...

/N%3 is mystic passing the node number to the %1 in the batch file... %1 should
contain "/N?" where the "?" is whatever node number mystic sets via the %3...

the fossil starts and there is no dos box open where it's even trying
to run the door... just nothing.... times out after a few seconds and heads back to the BBS.

what winwhatever is this? 32bit or 64bit?

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: mark lewis to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 01:27 am

On 2017 Jun 03 20:41:24, you wrote to g00r00:

I even try it without the %1 and use temp1 incase the node number is no

being passed...

/N%3 is mystic passing the node number to the %1 in the batch file... %1 sho

contain "/N?" where the "?" is whatever node number mystic sets via the %3..

the /N%3 and the /H%0 are part of the fossil driver commandline. Later on in

the data statement it'll then ask for \doors\stackem\door.bat %3 wherebyt it

sends the node # dor that batch file..... since I was testing the door to make

it work, and I was calling node 1, I simply took the %1 out of the door batch

and pointed it directly to the \mysatic\temp1\ directory to find the drop files

the fossil starts and there is no dos box open where it's even trying

to run the door... just nothing.... times out after a few seconds and

heads back to the BBS.

what winwhatever is this? 32bit or 64bit?

I'm running XP 32bit, getting doors to work is not my problem, can do hands

down with WINS or Synchronet.... I can add doors to either BBS in moments.



I finally got Stackem to run last night. I'm not sure what I did... I moved

the doors directory off the root and made it a sub directory of Mystic. Things

may be case sensative in the commandlines for mystic.... or the fact that I

spun around 3 times and clapped once before sitting down might have been the

reason, I'm hoping it was the spinning and clapping thing that made the door w

ork.



I have put 20 hours in and made one door work, by this rate I'll be ready for

the election in 2020 to have my BBS fully operational.



I have been trying to get Rusty Johnson's doors working, this was my original

call out in this echo... I finally got an error out of my efforts on that last

night.... something about not being able to access com 1 ... I'm wondering if

Rusty's doors have fossil or Mystic suport built into it.



Thanx



Joe
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On 2017 Jun 04 07:25:46, you wrote to me:

I even try it without the %1 and use temp1 incase the node number

is no

being passed...

/N%3 is mystic passing the node number to the %1 in the batch file... %1
sho

contain "/N?" where the "?" is whatever node number mystic sets via the
%3..

the /N%3 and the /H%0 are part of the fossil driver commandline. Later on in

i know... you're missing what i'm saying... in mystic, %3 and %0 do not mean the same as they do in a BAT file... they are the current node number and the current socket handle... in a BAT file they would be the 3rd parameter and the name of the BAT file... as i was saying above, /N%3 in mystic becomes the %1 parameter in the BAT file... i've seen numerous folks get confused about that...

what winwhatever is this? 32bit or 64bit?

I'm running XP 32bit,

ahhh... ok...

getting doors to work is not my problem, can do hands

down with WINS or Synchronet.... I can add doors to either BBS in moments.

i've done the same on linux once i got dosemu working properly... that was ""fun""...

I finally got Stackem to run last night. I'm not sure what I did... I moved

the doors directory off the root and made it a sub directory of Mystic. Things

may be case sensative in the commandlines for mystic.... or the fact that

I

spun around 3 times and clapped once before sitting down might have been the

reason, I'm hoping it was the spinning and clapping thing that made the door w

ork.

hahahaha... maybe you shold spin the other way to fix this double spaced lines problem your editor or mystic are outputting? all of your posts are whacked like the above... i'm not manually fixing them in this reply like i have the others...

I have put 20 hours in and made one door work, by this rate I'll be ready for

the election in 2020 to have my BBS fully operational.

I have been trying to get Rusty Johnson's doors working, this was my original

call out in this echo... I finally got an error out of my efforts on that last

night.... something about not being able to access com 1 ... I'm wondering if

Rusty's doors have fossil or Mystic suport built into it.

are they written in BASIC? there was a thing about BASIC insisting on tapping COM1 some years back... i found some docs for golfsolitare and it seems to support only com ports 1 thru 4 and nothing is said about FOSSIL support at all... that doc is from 1990 and says that quickbbs supporting multinode is in the future...

[time passes]

yup, at least golfsolitare (v1.4) is written in BASIC... i was able to download
that one and snoop the exe file... searching for "copy" amongst the binary turns up a QBSERIAL 1.2b copyright notice... i was actually expecting to find an embedded copyright for the compiler used and its runtime library... that'll generally tell you which language and version of compiler used but seeing QBSERIAL gave me all the info i needed ;)

i also pulled solitree down and looked at it... it is two years newer than the above golfsolitare... its docs do not mention FOSSIL at all even though it does
say it supports RemoteAccess... it does say com ports 1 thru 4 and now it has non-standard IRQ use capability... this is probably because of an advance in QBSERIAL which i'll find out in a second or two...

[time passes]

yup! this one uses QBSERIAL 2.10... i've pulled numerous doors of rusty's... all of those i have are written in some sort of BASIC... none of them mention FOSSIL in the docs... some of them don't use QBSERIAL but they are older than the ones that do use it...

at this point, i highly doubt that you'll get any of rusty johnson's doors running with netfoss... maybe with netserial which /might/ be able to emulate COM1 through COM4... any other port won't be recognised... it is possible to maybe use a non-standard port address and IRQ but that's only for what the door
will see as COM3 or COM4...


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Re: mystic & Doors
By: mark lewis to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 12:40 pm

at this point, i highly doubt that you'll get any of rusty johnson's doors

running with netfoss... maybe with netserial which /might/ be able to emulat

COM1 through COM4... any other port won't be recognised... it is possible to

maybe use a non-standard port address and IRQ but that's only for what the d

will see as COM3 or COM4...

The author of Mystic was putting the blame on me for not bing able to get some

doors running. I'm not a programmer, but as an end user, I really see only 3

BBSes still being supported, Mystic, Synchronet and WINS. I'm not sue why

Synchronet and WINS have a robust support for doors where as Mystic, in

comparison, seems to be lacking.



I think I may just go ahead with a game server (Synchronet) and telnet into it

via the BBS (Mystic)... this way I can have my cake and eat it too... at least

have the time to eat it!!!



Thanx



Joe
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On 2017 Jun 04 12:04:52, you wrote to me:

Re: mystic & Doors
By: mark lewis to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 12:40 pm

at this point, i highly doubt that you'll get any of rusty johnson's
doors

running with netfoss... maybe with netserial which /might/ be able to
emulat

COM1 through COM4... any other port won't be recognised... it is
possible to

maybe use a non-standard port address and IRQ but that's only for what
the d

will see as COM3 or COM4...

The author of Mystic was putting the blame on me for not bing able to get some

doors running.

i know, joe... i read every message in all of the fidonet echos i carry ;)

I'm not a programmer, but as an end user, I really see only
3

BBSes still being supported, Mystic, Synchronet and WINS. I'm not sue why

Synchronet and WINS have a robust support for doors where as Mystic, in

comparison, seems to be lacking.

somehow your horizon is limited... i've never had any problems getting doors to
run with mystic... neither has my friend tess who never messed with one at all until a few years ago when she decided to throw something together and try to work out a surprise for me... she did very well but was never able to complete the work on the surprise because all the needed user and system values are not (yet) available...

I think I may just go ahead with a game server (Synchronet) and telnet

into

it

via the BBS (Mystic)... this way I can have my cake and eat it too... at least

have the time to eat it!!!

are you saying that you can get rusty's doors that are written in BASIC and don't support a FOSSIL to work under SBBS???

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: mark lewis to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 05:19 pm

are you saying that you can get rusty's doors that are written in BASIC and

don't support a FOSSIL to work under SBBS???

Yes, setup all 28 in 20 minutes. I can do the same with WINS.



I just found that Mystic has an outbount telnet feature, rlogin as well. I'm

just going to have people access doors via a door server, SBBS, problem solved.



if the rlogin feature works like the one for SBBS it'll be slick. This is not

100% but it does solve my problem!!!



Thanx



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Listen...

sorry to say... the door is setup correctly.

I'm absolutely sure you're the one not listening to anyone here.

I mean its pretty obvious that either NetFoss or the door is not setup correctly, because its not working. If you listen to what people are telling you, post your setup, then we can tell you where *YOU* made a mistake very quickly.

But there are only so many times we can say it before we just have to assume you're a troll and just move on.

PS:

If you don't see the NetFoss window but you see it in the terminal, then you probably have hide node windows turned on (or you're using a 3rd party server), OR you are expecting it to jump to the foreground, when the reality is that
its a minimized window that shows up briefly on the taskbar long enough to print the error message and pause a few seconds.

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I have put 20 hours in and made one door work, by this rate I'll be
ready for
the election in 2020 to have my BBS fully operational.

This is the setup for LORD in Mystic Windows 32-bit:

Command: DD (Execute external program)
Data: c:\mystic\netfoss\nf.bat /N%3 /H%0 c:\mystic\doors\lord\start.bat %3

It takes seconds to add a new menu option and type in that command line. If that takes you 20 hours, then you might want to reevaluate once again where
the issues are.

Unbelievable... lol

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The author of Mystic was putting the blame on me for not bing able to
get some
doors running. I'm not a programmer, but as an end user, I really see only 3
BBSes still being supported, Mystic, Synchronet and WINS. I'm not sue
why
Synchronet and WINS have a robust support for doors where as Mystic, in

Thats not what happened at all. You couldn't get a door working, and instead of coming here and posting your setup and asking for help, you posted a bunch of bullshit messages insulting Mystic for not working (and you're still doing it).

You still haven't posted your setup after MANY requests and any effort to
help you ends up with an incredibly ignorant response of "listen... its setup right okay ive been doing this forever mystic doesnt work". You're helpless.

Please clarify the "robust door support" Mystic is lacking. Mystic runs any fossil or door32 door just the same as everything else does. In fact, Mystic CREATED the door32 stuff that WINS and Synchronet use.

Setting up a door in Windows is trivial on all three systems, and it takes a close enough amount of time on each of them that its not even worth discussing.

The fact is that you came here with some pre-determined weird thing in your brain about doors and Mystic, while refusing to take responsibility for your own configuration. It seems to me that no reason or logic or effort to help you is going to change anything.

Maybe you should consider not using Mystic at all.

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 07:33 pm

But there are only so many times we can say it before we just have to assume

you're a troll and just move on.

I have found a BBS that has the doors working, not a big deal because I have

also found that you have an outbound telnet door menu command that works fine.



I'll finish up the other areas of the BBS, at least the areas that go quickly

for me and I'll tackle the doors at an other time, if I ever do.



Having users logon to game server is really no big deal.



Thanx



Joe
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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 08:18 pm

Command: DD (Execute external program)

Data: c:\mystic\netfoss\nf.bat /N%3 /H%0 c:\mystic\doors\lord\start.bat %

It takes seconds to add a new menu option and type in that command line. If

that takes you 20 hours, then you might want to reevaluate once again where

the issues are.

If it had been that easy I would not have been squaking like I have been. I'm

not sure where the problem is, in that 20 hours I have one door running, one I

don't use.



The data line make sence, looks like how I use to get doors working in RA when

I ran it.



Like I said, I have a work around and as well I have found a board who has all

of Rusty's doors working. I'll talk to him before I stick with the game server

idea.



Thanx
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Re: mystic & Doors
By: g00r00 to Ib Joe on Sun Jun 04 2017 08:24 pm

I think I have posted enough...



Don't be sooooo offended. it was not a personal attack on you, and your

program.



I'm not sure where the problem is....



my data line is the same as you keep cutting and pasting from your lorde setup

doc. my batch file points to the game directory as per the setup that has

worked since 1992.



I have now moved on from my door issue, I'll use a game server and widdle at it

over time.



Thanx



Joe
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On 06/04/17, Ib Joe said the following...

The author of Mystic was putting the blame on me for not bing able to
get some

doors running. I'm not a programmer, but as an end user, I really see only 3

BBSes still being supported, Mystic, Synchronet and WINS. I'm not sue
why

Synchronet and WINS have a robust support for doors where as Mystic, in

comparison, seems to be lacking.

Synchronet and Winserver can run regular old "non-fossil" doors. Mystic and almost all other software that uses netfoss cannot. That doesn't make it lacking anything or bad software. If you had stated a week ago that you were trying to get a non-fossil door to work with netfoss, then we could have saved you some time. Sorry that you had difficulty getting doors to work and obviously got frustrated about it but its not Mystic's fault. Netfoss is a fossil driver and such requires doors to have fossil support.

Immortal

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Re: Re: mystic & Doors
By: Steve Helferich to Ib Joe on Mon Jun 05 2017 06:06 pm

Synchronet and Winserver can run regular old "non-fossil" doors. Mystic and

almost all other software that uses netfoss cannot. That doesn't make it

lacking anything or bad software. If you had stated a week ago that you wer

trying to get a non-fossil door to work with netfoss, then we could have sav

you some time. Sorry that you had difficulty getting doors to work and

obviously got frustrated about it but its not Mystic's fault. Netfoss is a

fossil driver and such requires doors to have fossil support.

It's Okay, the author thought I was targeting him and his software... I just

spent an insane amount of time trying to setup a few doors I like... No big

deal. I'm going ahead with Mystic, I like it, and I'll access the doors via a

door server.



My BBS looks good, the best it's ever looked since I started one in 1991.



Anyway,



Thanx



Joe
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On 6/5/2017 10:44 PM, Ib Joe -> Steve Helferich wrote:

It's Okay, the author thought I was targeting him and his software... I just spent an insane amount of time trying to setup a few doors I like.
No big deal. I'm going ahead with Mystic, I like it, and I'll access
the doors via a door server.

First, I'd like to know why all of your messages are arriving here double-spaced. Is that something you're doing on purpose, or since you're posting from Vertrauen, are you using an old external editor or something?

Second, no one thought you were targeting anyone.

You asked for help.
You were asked to copy/paste your configuration(s).

You still haven't done so yet. Instead, all you did was tell us all a story about how long you worked on it, and how it didn't work like other softwares.

We're still waiting on those copy/pasted configuration(s) from you.. but you've
already changed the subject 2-3 times since then about how you were going to do
everything differently to make it easier on yourself - even though the easiest way would be to figure out where the problem is and fix it - and all you had to
do was paste some config screens for us weeks ago and you wouldn't still be working on things to this day. ;(

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It's Okay, the author thought I was targeting him and his software... I just
spent an insane amount of time trying to setup a few doors I like... No

Here is the gist of what you're saying while repeatedly refusing to post your configuration so we can help you:

"Mystic is broken I've been doing this for 21 years I don't make mistake" "Mystic is so hard to do doors"
"I don't know why its so hard with Mystic"
"Listen, I didn't make any mistake, my setup is right"
"Mystic is not robust like other software"
"It takes 40 minutes to do over 9000 doors in WINs but 20 hours with Mystic" "It'll be the 2020 elections before door work in Mystic"

The guides are there. Setting up doors in Mystic is no harder than anything else. You made a mistake, its that simple. If you want help, post the information and allow the people who are willing to help to do so, or just don't post at all if you aren't willing to be helped.

All of this other stuff is unnecessary and not productive for anyone.

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Re: mystic & Doors
By: Nicholas Boel to Ib Joe on Tue Jun 06 2017 03:36 pm

I did say over and over and over that the commandline was the same as the

document provided, and the one you guys seem to cut and paste from.



The driectories for for BBS and the fossil driver are the same as the example.

I used the batch file that starts the fossil with the document provided... cut

and paste.



The batch files for the doors, as well as the setup are correct.... if I use

the same batch file in WINS or Synchronet the doors work.... I use it in Mystic

and it doesn't....



And having told people the commandline on the data field is the same as the one

provided in the document.... they cut and paste the commandline again...



I wil use a door server for my doors. I'll figure out what ones setup and what

ones don't and I'll have a combination of local doors and doors off the server.



About my messages... I'm on vert, using whatever editor they have.... I'll

setup fido over the next week or so.



Thanx

Joe
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On 6/6/2017 4:29 PM, Ib Joe -> Nicholas Boel wrote:

I did say over and over and over that the commandline was the same as the document provided, and the one you guys seem to cut and paste from.

It doesn't matter what you say. You were specifically asked for pastes or screenshots of your configuration in order to figure out where the problem was.

You refused to do this.

What you say and what is actually there do not always match.

The driectories for for BBS and the fossil driver are the same as the example.

All heresay. How do any of us know this is true? Because you say so? Sorry, that's not enough.

I wil use a door server for my doors. I'll figure out what ones setup
and what ones don't and I'll have a combination of local doors and
doors off the server.

Enjoy. You're just making more work for yourself than there needs to be!

About my messages... I'm on vert, using whatever editor they have.... I'll setup fido over the next week or so.

I'm sure Vert has multiple editors, not just one. Which is why I asked you which editor you were using, but you don't seem to want to provide us with any information we ask of you, so nevermind (smh).

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On 06/03/17, Ib Joe pondered and said...

There is no disrespect, love all aspects of the BBS, just can't get a
door to

run... no one wanted to mystic as a BBS more than me...

Could be the fact that I have brought 26 years of BBS SysOping into the mix...

I've never seen somebody pat themselves on the back so hard for being a BBS sysop for 26 years; JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. The ironic thing is that while you are patting yourself on the back, I can't help but notice that your text is grossly formatted; unlike all the other posters here. It's also
ironic that you are complaining to a group of 26-year sysoping veterans who have managed to do exactly what you claim can't be done with mystic.

Just sayin'

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Re: Re: mystic & Doors
By: Darryl Perry to Ib Joe on Fri Jun 16 2017 06:01 pm

I've never seen somebody pat themselves on the back so hard for being a BBS

sysop for 26 years; JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. The ironic thing is that

while you are patting yourself on the back, I can't help but notice that you

text is grossly formatted; unlike all the other posters here. It's also

ironic that you are complaining to a group of 26-year sysoping veterans who

have managed to do exactly what you claim can't be done with mystic.

I don't know why it is I couldn't get some of my doors to work, well the ones I

wanted to work don't. I have moved on, I am going with Mystic BBS as the main

program.... and I'll run Synchronet as a game server and have those who want

to access doors telnet to them.



Don't know why I can't get them to work... I'll take ownership... my falt,

don't care any more. I think this is the best BBS I have ever setup...



I am now working on my fidonet... things are going well
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I don't know why it is I couldn't get some of my doors to work, well the ones I
wanted to work don't. I have moved on, I am going with Mystic BBS as
the main
program.... and I'll run Synchronet as a game server and have those who want
to access doors telnet to them.

Don't know why I can't get them to work... I'll take ownership... my
falt,
don't care any more. I think this is the best BBS I have ever setup...

I am now working on my fidonet... things are going well

Now that I have fidoNET moving in and out of the BBS I won't have to logon to vert and use the editor that seems to double space things...

Just saying...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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It's all good. I'll be happy to help you. Are you on windows or Linux?

I've personally just decided it's better to run a door server like door party or bbs link rather than setup local doors as you get more players.

But, I know you have some you'd like that aren't there and it can be done.

On 02:48 17/06 , Ib Joe wrote:

Re: Re: mystic & Doors
By: Darryl Perry to Ib Joe on Fri Jun 16 2017 06:01 pm

I've never seen somebody pat themselves on the back so hard for being a BBS

sysop for 26 years; JUST LIKE EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. The ironic thing is

that

while you are patting yourself on the back, I can't help but notice that

you

text is grossly formatted; unlike all the other posters here. It's also

ironic that you are complaining to a group of 26-year sysoping veterans who

have managed to do exactly what you claim can't be done with mystic.

I don't know why it is I couldn't get some of my doors to work, well the

ones I

wanted to work don't. I have moved on, I am going with Mystic BBS as the main

program.... and I'll run Synchronet as a game server and have those who want

to access doors telnet to them.

Don't know why I can't get them to work... I'll take ownership... my falt,

don't care any more. I think this is the best BBS I have ever setup...

I am now working on my fidonet... things are going well
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I just setup a new fidonet hub if you need one.


On 04:02 17/06 , Joe Schweier wrote:

I don't know why it is I couldn't get some of my doors to work, well the ones I
wanted to work don't. I have moved on, I am going with Mystic BBS as
the main
program.... and I'll run Synchronet as a game server and have those who want
to access doors telnet to them.

Don't know why I can't get them to work... I'll take ownership... my falt,
don't care any more. I think this is the best BBS I have ever setup...

I am now working on my fidonet... things are going well

Now that I have fidoNET moving in and out of the BBS I won't have to logon to >vert and use the editor that seems to double space things...

Just saying...

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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On 06/17/17, Chad Adams said the following...

It's all good. I'll be happy to help you. Are you on windows or Linux?

I've personally just decided it's better to run a door server like door party or bbs link rather than setup local doors as you get more players.

But, I know you have some you'd like that aren't there and it can be
done.

I'm running the BBS on XP, a VM, the host machine is a Window 10 system. The BBS is not public yet, I'm working through an issue on Mystic's outbound
telnet feature... to access non standard ports. I have chose, for now, not
to focus on that.... I have since focused on QWK and echo mail, it's all
coming together nicely

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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On 06/17/17, Chad Adams said the following...

I just setup a new fidonet hub if you need one.

I'll keep this in mind, I have setup as a point address for now. From what I can see, the NC for my area is no longer.... Hmmmm

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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I can give you a feed. Just netmail me what you need and I'll send back the info:

chad adams@1:130/210



On 07:08 17/06 , Joe Schweier wrote:

On 06/17/17, Chad Adams said the following...

I just setup a new fidonet hub if you need one.

I'll keep this in mind, I have setup as a point address for now. From what I >can see, the NC for my area is no longer.... Hmmmm

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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On 06/04/17, Ib Joe said the following...

I think I may just go ahead with a game server (Synchronet) and telnet into it

via the BBS (Mystic)... this way I can have my cake and eat it too... at least

have the time to eat it!!!

Strange I find getting the doors to run under Mystic MUCH easier than WINS
and Synchronet.

Allen

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worked since 1992.

If you have been around since 1992 then WHO are you? If you've ran wildcat that long then I certainly would have known you.

Allen

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On 06/19/17, Allen Prunty said the following...

Strange I find getting the doors to run under Mystic MUCH easier than
WINS and Synchronet.

the only real challange I found with Mystic is the door setup. Mystic is
nice. Apparently its something I am doing wrong, and I'll leave it at that.

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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On 06/19/17, Allen Prunty said the following...

worked since 1992.

If you have been around since 1992 then WHO are you? If you've ran wildcat that long then I certainly would have known you.

Allen

I ran wildcat 5 when it first came out, I did register Synchronet 2.?? way back, but my first BBS was an FD/RA combination. did a little google
search... 705 area code BBS list...

http://bbslist.textfiles.com/705/705.txt

Started a BBS arounf the last year I was in University, graduated in 91....

I have WINS 7, not the latest update, but I think I have gave enough money to Hector, I have all the sunrise doors registered, long before they were given away for free.

Anyway, I like Mystic's menu base setup, it's nice. I l;ike the fact that it uses JAM as a message base.

I did kick up some conversations because I could not figure out how to setup doors, I can get a few to go but I cannot get the ones I want to work to work.

It's nice to see that there is still software supported by their authors.

Thanx

IB Joe
AKA Joe Schweier
SysOp of Joe's Computer & BBS

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Re: Re: mystic & Doors
By: Joe Schweier to Allen Prunty on Mon Jun 19 2017 03:35 pm

I ran wildcat 5 when it first came out, I did register Synchronet 2.?? way back, but my first BBS was an FD/RA combination. did a little google search... 705 area code BBS list...

I date back to WIldcat v2... before that it was known as Colossus which I ran for a time and Fido / TBBS-TIMS before that.

Allen

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