• Python trouble

    From Kevin Karagitz@3:770/3 to All on Sat May 6 20:35:52 2017
    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root.
    Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that executes the included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not out of the box then I get an error.

    E.g.

    sys:1: RuntimeWarning: Python C API version mismatch for module __mysticerror__:PYTHON ERROR:has API version 1013, module __mysticerror__ has version 6620149.
    File "testpython.mpy", line 6, in <module> sy File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/simple_salesforce/__init__.py", line 4, in <module>ion 1013, module mystic_bbs has version 6620149.
    from simple_salesforce.api import (
    File "/usr/local/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/simple_salesforce/api.pyPress a key


    Doesn't matter what I import.

    Any thoughts? I've spent hours upon hours trying to fix this.

    Regards,
    Kevin

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Kevin Karagitz on Sun May 7 11:06:22 2017

    On 2017 May 06 20:35:52, you wrote to All:

    Doesn't matter what I import.

    Any thoughts? I've spent hours upon hours trying to fix this.

    *you* cannot fix it at all if it is an API version mismatch... unless maybe you're trying to import python2 libs into python3 or the other way around... i'm not sure but IIRC python2 is what mystic supports... that being because there's more available for python2 than for python3 but sooner or later python2
    will be old and not supported...

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Kevin Karagitz on Mon May 8 17:04:30 2017
    On 05/06/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root. Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that executes the included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not out
    of the box then I get an error.

    Have you check the docs on the Wiki?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_devnotes

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_functions

    Best, Paul

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  • From Darryl Perry@1:229/275 to Paul Hayton on Mon May 8 14:43:18 2017
    On 05/08/17, Paul Hayton said the following...

    On 05/06/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root. Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that executes included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not o of the box then I get an error.

    Have you check the docs on the Wiki?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_devnotes

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_functions

    If it's an issue with the python environment variables, the docs don't help
    out on linux versions. Those docs are only good for windows users.

    I've given up on writing any mystic python apps. It is not ready for prime time afaikt.

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  • From Kevin Karagitz@3:770/3 to Darryl Perry on Tue May 9 13:55:38 2017
    On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-4, Darryl Perry wrote:
    On 05/08/17, Paul Hayton said the following...

    On 05/06/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root. Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that
    executes
    included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not
    o
    of the box then I get an error.

    Have you check the docs on the Wiki?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_devnotes

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_functions

    If it's an issue with the python environment variables, the docs don't help out on linux versions. Those docs are only good for windows users.

    I've given up on writing any mystic python apps. It is not ready for prime time afaikt.

    That's my issue as well. I'm using 2.x Python Libs...

    Anyone know how to properly setup of the environment variables that Mystic is looking for in Linux or Raspbian?

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  • From Chad Adams@1:130/210 to All on Tue May 16 06:10:48 2017
    I am having same issue!

    On 08:55 09/05 , Kevin Karagitz wrote:
    On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-4, Darryl Perry wrote:
    On 05/08/17, Paul Hayton said the following...

    On 05/06/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root.
    Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that >executes
    included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not
    o
    of the box then I get an error.

    Have you check the docs on the Wiki?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_devnotes

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_functions

    If it's an issue with the python environment variables, the docs don't help >> out on linux versions. Those docs are only good for windows users.

    I've given up on writing any mystic python apps. It is not ready for prime >> time afaikt.

    That's my issue as well. I'm using 2.x Python Libs...

    Anyone know how to properly setup of the environment variables that Mystic is >looking for in Linux or Raspbian?

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  • From Kevin Karagitz@3:770/3 to Chad Adams on Mon May 22 19:23:52 2017
    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even donated.. Not happy.

    On Tuesday, May 16, 2017 at 7:11:05 AM UTC-4, Chad Adams wrote:
    I am having same issue!

    On 08:55 09/05 , Kevin Karagitz wrote:
    On Monday, May 8, 2017 at 4:53:00 PM UTC-4, Darryl Perry wrote:
    On 05/08/17, Paul Hayton said the following...

    On 05/06/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    I'm running Mystic on a Raspberry PI. The directory owner is root.
    Everything runs great including when I add a menu item that >executes
    included testpython.mpy.

    If I modify that script and import any python packages that are not
    o
    of the box then I get an error.

    Have you check the docs on the Wiki?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_devnotes

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python_functions

    If it's an issue with the python environment variables, the docs don't
    help
    out on linux versions. Those docs are only good for windows users.

    I've given up on writing any mystic python apps. It is not ready for
    prime
    time afaikt.

    That's my issue as well. I'm using 2.x Python Libs...

    Anyone know how to properly setup of the environment variables that Mystic
    is
    looking for in Linux or Raspbian?

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  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Kevin Karagitz on Tue May 23 19:42:40 2017
    On 05/22/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even donated.. Not happy.

    Remember this is just a hobby for all of us so your response times will vary according to that thing called 'real life' :)

    Now Chad did post a similar question in fsxNet (Zone 21) and James aka g00r00 did reply to it.

    [snip]

    Can you run "python --version" from a terminal to see if it says "Python 2.7" and then also take a look at the output of this command:

    ldconfig -p | grep libpython

    You should see a "libpython2.7.so.1.0" as a result. If you don't, we may
    have to create a symlink to whatever file you have installed

    [snip]

    Subsequent to this I can see g00r00 has also updated the Wiki page

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python#library_validation

    with further info that I hope will be of help to you. It does pay to keep an eye on the recent changes section of the Wiki.

    Lastly I suggest you make sure you're running the latest version of Mystic
    (now 1.12 A33) and keep an eye out for further updates as they come to hand.

    You may also wish to consider finding a BBS with access to fsxNet and posting in FSX_MYS echo as well as here.

    Hope that helps.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Chad Adams@1:130/210 to All on Tue May 23 15:39:58 2017
    Here's what I did that fixed it:

    I completely removed python. I am on command line too, btw.

    I reinstalled python2.7 plus the lib at the bottom.

    This resolved my issue.

    If you get the output from the ldconfig and the correct lib, you should be good. It's looking for that library.

    I also created a sym link to python2.7 to python for /use/bin




    On 14:42 23/05 , Paul Hayton wrote:
    On 05/22/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even donated.. Not happy.

    Remember this is just a hobby for all of us so your response times will vary >according to that thing called 'real life' :)

    Now Chad did post a similar question in fsxNet (Zone 21) and James aka g00r00 >did reply to it.

    [snip]

    Can you run "python --version" from a terminal to see if it says "Python 2.7" >and then also take a look at the output of this command:

    ldconfig -p | grep libpython

    You should see a "libpython2.7.so.1.0" as a result. If you don't, we may >have to create a symlink to whatever file you have installed

    [snip]

    Subsequent to this I can see g00r00 has also updated the Wiki page

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python#library_validation

    with further info that I hope will be of help to you. It does pay to keep an >eye on the recent changes section of the Wiki.

    Lastly I suggest you make sure you're running the latest version of Mystic >(now 1.12 A33) and keep an eye out for further updates as they come to hand.

    You may also wish to consider finding a BBS with access to fsxNet and posting >in FSX_MYS echo as well as here.

    Hope that helps.

    Best, Paul

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  • From Chad Adams@1:130/210 to All on Tue May 23 15:40:36 2017
    /usr/bin - sorry.

    On 10:39 23/05 , Chad Adams wrote:
    Here's what I did that fixed it:

    I completely removed python. I am on command line too, btw.

    I reinstalled python2.7 plus the lib at the bottom.

    This resolved my issue.

    If you get the output from the ldconfig and the correct lib, you should be >good. It's looking for that library.

    I also created a sym link to python2.7 to python for /use/bin




    On 14:42 23/05 , Paul Hayton wrote:
    On 05/22/17, Kevin Karagitz pondered and said...

    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even
    donated.. Not happy.

    Remember this is just a hobby for all of us so your response times will vary >>according to that thing called 'real life' :)

    Now Chad did post a similar question in fsxNet (Zone 21) and James aka g00r00 >>did reply to it.

    [snip]

    Can you run "python --version" from a terminal to see if it says "Python 2.7" >>and then also take a look at the output of this command:

    ldconfig -p | grep libpython

    You should see a "libpython2.7.so.1.0" as a result. If you don't, we may >>have to create a symlink to whatever file you have installed

    [snip]

    Subsequent to this I can see g00r00 has also updated the Wiki page

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python#library_validation

    with further info that I hope will be of help to you. It does pay to keep an >>eye on the recent changes section of the Wiki.

    Lastly I suggest you make sure you're running the latest version of Mystic >>(now 1.12 A33) and keep an eye out for further updates as they come to hand. >>
    You may also wish to consider finding a BBS with access to fsxNet and posting >>in FSX_MYS echo as well as here.

    Hope that helps.

    Best, Paul

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Kevin Karagitz on Wed May 24 22:55:20 2017
    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even donated.. Not happy.

    I'm sorry that your message did not get the response you hoped for.

    Sometimes I have to pick and choose where I read and where I respond because of time. Often questions that are frequently asked or are covered on the Wiki I skip over these days. Most of my activity is on the FSX network but even that has greatly decreased lately.

    If it were financially possible to give everyone 1v1 support and make a living from it I would, but I have received less than $300 total for Mystic in donations since ~1998. I try to help when I can but its not a job; its a hobby, and one that is increasingly difficult to devote a lot of time to lately.

    There have been people who donate $5 with a list of requests followed by disrespectful e-mails insulting me because they didn't get what they paid for, all in the matter of a couple of days. Sometimes this cycle happens so fast it completes before I even see that someone donated in the first place.

    I greatly appreciate all donations (and it has all gone towards Mystic) but I mention this because its important to remember that making a donation should
    be done to help the project *only*...

    If a person donates under the impression that it is going to give them some sort of privilege to make demands or get angry if they don't get catered to, then those are people should not donate. Donating does not come with any sort of entitlement to unrealistic expectations, it is simply a way to support the project if you'd like to.

    Anyway, please check the Wiki for Python stuff and let me know what you're stuck on if you still are. There is a page for Python setup that should help guide you, as Linux distributions can vary greatly. I've recently added some new information to help guide people through onto the Wiki.

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  • From Kevin Karagitz@3:770/3 to All on Thu May 25 07:26:44 2017
    I realize that this isn't a huge money making endeavor for you.. also I do not expect personal support from you either. I sincerely appreciate all the time and effort you put into Mystic.. It's really great.

    The issue I'm having is the same issue that others are having. Python plugins are not working correctly on *nix for everyone or for some of us. What i'm looking for is how to setup the Python environmental variables that Mystic is looking for on unix..
    Specifically I'm on Raspbian on a raspberry pi. Your instructions do not cover this for unix, it only covers it for Windows. I suspect that this is the
    cause of most of the issues that we are having.

    Any suggestions?

    Honestly thanks again for all your great work.

    On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-4, g00r00 wrote:
    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even
    donated.. Not happy.

    I'm sorry that your message did not get the response you hoped for.

    Sometimes I have to pick and choose where I read and where I respond because
    of
    time. Often questions that are frequently asked or are covered on the Wiki I skip over these days. Most of my activity is on the FSX network but even
    that
    has greatly decreased lately.

    If it were financially possible to give everyone 1v1 support and make a
    living
    from it I would, but I have received less than $300 total for Mystic in donations since ~1998. I try to help when I can but its not a job; its a hobby, and one that is increasingly difficult to devote a lot of time to lately.

    There have been people who donate $5 with a list of requests followed by disrespectful e-mails insulting me because they didn't get what they paid
    for,
    all in the matter of a couple of days. Sometimes this cycle happens so fast
    it
    completes before I even see that someone donated in the first place.

    I greatly appreciate all donations (and it has all gone towards Mystic) but I mention this because its important to remember that making a donation should be done to help the project *only*...

    If a person donates under the impression that it is going to give them some sort of privilege to make demands or get angry if they don't get catered to, then those are people should not donate. Donating does not come with any
    sort
    of entitlement to unrealistic expectations, it is simply a way to support the project if you'd like to.

    Anyway, please check the Wiki for Python stuff and let me know what you're stuck on if you still are. There is a page for Python setup that should help guide you, as Linux distributions can vary greatly. I've recently added some new information to help guide people through onto the Wiki.

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  • From Chad Adams@1:130/210 to All on Fri May 26 21:23:10 2017
    Kevin,

    Did you try what I suggested? That should fix Python on any *nix OS.

    Install python 2.7, install the library from the other post, and create a symlink to python from python2.7 in /usr/bin


    I had the exact same issue and fixed it in about 15 mins. I am on a Debian based district.

    Follow that and it will fix your issue.



    On 02:26 25/05 , Kevin Karagitz wrote:
    I realize that this isn't a huge money making endeavor for you.. also I do not >expect personal support from you either. I sincerely appreciate all the time >and effort you put into Mystic.. It's really great.

    The issue I'm having is the same issue that others are having. Python plugins >are not working correctly on *nix for everyone or for some of us. What i'm >looking for is how to setup the Python environmental variables that Mystic is >looking for on unix..
    Specifically I'm on Raspbian on a raspberry pi. Your instructions do not
    cover this for unix, it only covers it for Windows. I suspect that this is the
    cause of most of the issues that we are having.

    Any suggestions?

    Honestly thanks again for all your great work.

    On Thursday, May 25, 2017 at 1:20:16 AM UTC-4, g00r00 wrote:
    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even
    donated.. Not happy.

    I'm sorry that your message did not get the response you hoped for.

    Sometimes I have to pick and choose where I read and where I respond because >of
    time. Often questions that are frequently asked or are covered on the
    Wiki I
    skip over these days. Most of my activity is on the FSX network but even >that
    has greatly decreased lately.

    If it were financially possible to give everyone 1v1 support and make a >living
    from it I would, but I have received less than $300 total for Mystic in
    donations since ~1998. I try to help when I can but its not a job; its a
    hobby, and one that is increasingly difficult to devote a lot of time to
    lately.

    There have been people who donate $5 with a list of requests followed by
    disrespectful e-mails insulting me because they didn't get what they paid >for,
    all in the matter of a couple of days. Sometimes this cycle happens so fast >it
    completes before I even see that someone donated in the first place.

    I greatly appreciate all donations (and it has all gone towards Mystic)
    but I
    mention this because its important to remember that making a donation should >> be done to help the project *only*...

    If a person donates under the impression that it is going to give them some >> sort of privilege to make demands or get angry if they don't get catered to, >> then those are people should not donate. Donating does not come with any >sort
    of entitlement to unrealistic expectations, it is simply a way to support the
    project if you'd like to.

    Anyway, please check the Wiki for Python stuff and let me know what you're >> stuck on if you still are. There is a page for Python setup that should help
    guide you, as Linux distributions can vary greatly. I've recently added some
    new information to help guide people through onto the Wiki.

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Chad Adams on Sat May 27 13:07:32 2017

    On 2017 May 26 21:23:10, you wrote to All:

    Install python 2.7, install the library from the other post, and
    create a symlink to python from python2.7 in /usr/bin

    so what happens when your distribution updates python to a new version? ;)

    I had the exact same issue and fixed it in about 15 mins. I am on a
    Debian based district.

    as am i but i'm not playing with this... i am, however, watching with interest :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to Kevin Karagitz on Sat May 27 13:30:04 2017
    The issue I'm having is the same issue that others are having. Python plugins are not working correctly on *nix for everyone or for some of
    us. What i'm looking for is how to setup the Python environmental variables that Mystic is looking for on unix..

    Did you perform the steps from the Wiki? What was the output of:

    ldconfig -p | grep libpython

    This should show us where your Python library exists. If it is not installed with the name that the Wiki suggests, then you'll need to make a Symlink to it so that Mystic can find it.

    This is usually the step that fixes things, as sometimes Python can get installed under all types of library names depending on operating system.

    Specifically I'm on Raspbian on a raspberry pi. Your instructions do
    not cover this for unix, it only covers it for Windows. I suspect that

    A lot of what gets added to the Wiki is from my personal experience doing things, and I have not had to adjust environment variables ever in any of my Unix-based environments to my recollection.

    The environment variables are part of installing Python, not Mystic. Mystic does not use them at all. They are mentioned only because an improperly installed Python could give some errors while executing modules. I've updated the text slightly to clarify.

    The documentation mentions these things, provides an exerpt from Python documentation, and refers you to their documentation for more details.

    Let's start with the stuff from the Wiki first and go from there. We'll get
    it figured out! :)

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  • From g00r00@1:129/215 to mark lewis on Sat May 27 14:15:34 2017
    Install python 2.7, install the library from the other post, and create a symlink to python from python2.7 in /usr/bin

    so what happens when your distribution updates python to a new version?
    ;)

    The same thing that happens whenever any new version of any library is
    updated in Unix. Generally, you'll have a symlink to the base of the library name and then minor versions are symlinked back to the base.

    This allows you to install and activate different versions of a library
    easily, without having to reconfigure any of the software that actually uses them (because the software keys on the base library name which is always a symlink to the latest version or whatever version you want to use).

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  • From Chad Adams@1:130/210 to mark lewis on Fri Jun 2 04:48:14 2017
    so what happens when your distribution updates python to a new version?

    Well, if you upgraded to a version highyer than 2.7 you would need to simply change your symlink.

    However, Mystic (and Linux / Ubuntu) by default only use 2.7, it doesn't
    really matter anyhow. 3.0 is out now, and 2.7 is still used.

    So its really a non-issue, until Mystic uses a newer version and then you simply change your link.



    -Nugax

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/102 to Kevin Karagitz on Sun Jun 18 23:24:38 2017
    Wow... I wish someone from the Mystic team would respond. I even donated.. Not happy.


    They are just getting back started... I'm sure they will help you out just be
    a bit patient... we all have patiently waited and many of us have donated too :-) it's all good.

    Allen

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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/102 to g00r00 on Sun Jun 18 23:32:58 2017
    Sometimes I have to pick and choose where I read and where I respond because of time. Often questions that are frequently asked or are
    covered on the Wiki I skip over these days. Most of my activity is on
    the FSX network but even that has greatly decreased lately.

    I am just overjoyed you are back. I was starting to worry if you were ok or not, Paul has been here and assured us you were. I hope you had a nice break from things.

    If it were financially possible to give everyone 1v1 support and make a living from it I would, but I have received less than $300 total for Mystic in donations since ~1998. I try to help when I can but its not a job; its a hobby, and one that is increasingly difficult to devote a lot of time to lately.

    And for what you are done many of us are grateful. $300 isn't much and I
    admit I haven't donated mostly because I'm disabled and don't have much to donate. The only thing I have donated was a theme music loop that Paul has used in a few of his videos.

    This is my hobby too... I came back to BBSing for cognitive therapy do to a severe traumatic brain injury. It has helped me immensely and for that I am thankful.

    There have been people who donate $5 with a list of requests followed by disrespectful e-mails insulting me because they didn't get what they
    paid for, all in the matter of a couple of days. Sometimes this cycle happens so fast it completes before I even see that someone donated in
    the first place.

    The going rate for a mediocre programmer on freelance is about $50 - $75 an hour... $5 bought bout 6.5 minutes of programming time ;-) for those who
    want to play that game please keep it in perspective. I would guess there
    are THOUSANDS of hours invested in Mystic. Furthermore I have to admit that you have rapidly added new features faster than any programmer I have ever
    seen add features before.

    I greatly appreciate all donations (and it has all gone towards Mystic) but I mention this because its important to remember that making a donation should be done to help the project *only*...

    Exactly... it is what it is... a donation, a gift. There's no contractual obligation at all attached to it. Anyone who gives a gift expecting
    something in return isn't truly giving.

    If a person donates under the impression that it is going to give them some sort of privilege to make demands or get angry if they don't get catered to, then those are people should not donate. Donating does not come with any sort of entitlement to unrealistic expectations, it is simply a way to support the project if you'd like to.

    However, -if- and only -if- I manage to hit the lottery... we may see about funding a web interface... but I think that has been in the dream stage by
    many for a while now.

    Allen

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A33 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Mystical LiveWire - Rose Terrace, KY (1:2320/102)
  • From Aaron Thomas@1:229/426 to G00R00 on Fri Jul 13 17:11:39 2018
    There have been people who donate $5 with a list of requests followed by disrespectful e-mails insulting me because they didn't get what they paid fo

    That's funny! You have to try to laugh about it, right?

    "I gave you $5, now where the hell is my custom gps-based user directory,
    that I sort of hinted at?"

    ..People could pay for MPLS. Nice people have written them for me for free before, but it would make more sense to ask someone for an estimate.

    This software is very popular for BBS enthusiasts; is there anyone out there willing to do some paid MPL work?

    --- Renegade vY2Ka2
    * Origin: Joey, do you like movies about gladiators? (1:229/426)
  • From Phil Taylor@1:275/201 to Paul Hayton on Wed Sep 19 23:45:48 2018

    Hello

    Question Is the email user validation working? Does anyone have a Script file that I can use please? I do not know how to write Python script files?

    http://wiki.mysticbbs.com/doku.php?id=python#library_validation

    Thanks

    ___ MultiMail/Win v0.51

    --- Mystic BBS/QWK v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Mystic.dynu.net 2310 (1:275/201)
  • From Paul Hayton@3:770/100 to Phil Taylor on Thu Sep 20 16:32:07 2018
    On 09/19/18, Phil Taylor pondered and said...
    Question Is the email user validation working? Does anyone have a Script file that I can use please? I do not know how to write Python script files?

    No not that I know of, it was being worked on so fields were added etc. but functionality has not as yet been enabled as far as I know.

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A39 2018/04/21 (Windows/32)
    * Origin: Agency BBS | Dunedin, New Zealand | agency.bbs.nz (3:770/100)