message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
jam netmail format?
I've upgraded to the 32 bit windows version of makenl since I'm
running on a 64 bit machine. Now here is my questing bearing in mind
my OS. Makenl does work nicely in fact but it creates a msg netmail message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
jam netmail format?
I've upgraded to the 32 bit windows version of makenl since I'm
running on a 64 bit machine. Now here is my questing bearing in mind
my OS. Makenl does work nicely in fact but it creates a msg netmail message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
jam netmail format?
message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
jam netmail format?
Ben Ritchey spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-
* An ongoing debate between Gaylen Hintz and All rages on ...
message for a file attach mailer. So what would be a workaround that would allow me to send my nodelist segment to my uplink using mystic's
jam netmail format?
I use the GoldEd+ message editor which does both .Msg and JAM bases.
You can just move the message from the .Msg area to the JAM area as
needed (and vice versa). Works great!
Nicholas Boel spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-
Hello Gaylen,
I'm assuming you're referring to the netmail notice makenl creates, and not the
actual output file of your segment process, but..
You might want to check makenl's settings to see if rather than
creating a netmail message in .MSG format, if you could save the
contents to a text file. Then you could use MUTIL to import that text
file to your netmail area with the
desired FROM, TO, and SUBJ fields (if they aren't already there) so it could be sent off to your uplink.
Otherwise, you could just ditch the settings for the netmail creation
(in makenl), and run a batch file/script that runs makenl to process
your nodelist segment, then copy/move it to the proper filebox for your uplink. If the netmail is necessary, and makenl isn't able to do so in this circumstance, you could create your own text file with the
contents of what you would like to include as a netmail message, and
then part of your batch file/script could import that text file to your netmail area during the process.
A little more manual intervention comes with BSO, but once scripted properly shouldn't need to be messed with again afterwards.
Otherwise, you could just ditch the settings for the netmail
creation (in makenl), and run a batch file/script that runs
makenl to process your nodelist segment, then copy/move it to the
proper filebox for your uplink. If the netmail is necessary, and
makenl isn't able to do so in this circumstance, you could create
your own text file with the contents of what you would like to
include as a netmail message, and then part of your batch
file/script could import that text file to your netmail area
during the process.
Hmmm, so in essence you're saying that the netmail should not be necessary under most conditions?
A little more manual intervention comes with BSO, but once
scripted properly shouldn't need to be messed with again
afterwards.
Yes, got a few hours over this coming weekend... gonna have to look
at all this. I've done worse workarounds in the past... some of them
even turned out well. :)
If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?
Hmmm, so in essence you're saying that the netmail should not be
necessary under most conditions?
Nah. I don't send any netmail with my segment to my RC. The segment is
all that gets processed. The netmail is/was probably just for
convenience letting them know that it was sent and arrived on their system.
notification messages i mention above will need to be handled... forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a tool to
import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system MSG format netmail area...
jus' sayin'...
there are, however, notification netmails sent back that may need to
be handled... my RC always sends back a notification of successful
forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
MSG format netmail area...
jus' sayin'...
notification messages i mention above will need to be handled...
forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
MSG format netmail area...
jus' sayin'...
What tool exists to convert MSG to JAM format Mark ?
there are, however, notification netmails sent back that may need to
be handled... my RC always sends back a notification of successful
They don't need to be handled any more than reading them in your
netmail area.
It does not affect the segment being submitted whatsoever.
forcing stuff to an outbox is a bandaid... one really should use a
tool to import the MSG generated by makenlng into one's local netmail
base if their schtuff doesn't support the traditional mailer/system
MSG format netmail area...
jus' sayin'...
Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
you're welcome... perhaps in the future i'll just keep them to myself
and laugh and laugh and laugh while others flail about with today's so-called ""modern"" software while they are trying to do what has
been being done for years with the old school stuff...
Nicholas Boel spoke thus to The Curmudgeon <=-
Yes, got a few hours over this coming weekend... gonna have to look
at all this. I've done worse workarounds in the past... some of them
even turned out well. :)
Not really any workaround being done. You can just choose to process
the segment and move it to your RC's filebox. No netmail involved (so obviously those netmail related lines would need to be commented out in your .CTL file).
If you try to fail and succeed, which have you done?
BOTH! :)
mark lewis spoke thus to Paul Hayton <=-
What tool exists to convert MSG to JAM format Mark ?
there was the old Mark May Mythical Kingdom (where MK comes from) tool written with his MKSM106 pascal library that so many folks used...
mystic had/has numerous rememants of that library code* in it ;)
it probably needs to be rebuilt, though... i recall some problems but
for the most part it worked as the library code was written at that time... i know that
i made numerous fixed to the library code over here for my projects
using it...
ISTR there being a couple of other tools out there, too, but i never needed them so i never actively collected or remember them... one can always, as suggested, use a message editor like TimED, QuickED or
possibly even MsgED to handle the manual moving of the MSGs into a JAM base... but seriously, though, the easiest thing would be for mailer capable software to simply use a MSG format base for the mailer's sole
use for stuff like this...
[time passes]
MKMU103.ZIP 128959 20-Mar-1994 ============================================
MK Message Utilities v1.03 - Mark May's
utilities to import, export, and convert
messages for Squish, Jam, Hudson, Ezycom,
and *.Msg message bases. (FW)
http://www.wpusa.dynip.com/files2/PROGLIB/MKMU103.ZIP
Your opinion is noted, and thank you for sharing your thoughts.
you're welcome... perhaps in the future i'll just keep them to myself
and laugh and laugh and laugh while others flail about with today's
so-called ""modern"" software while they are trying to do what has
been being done for years with the old school stuff...
I didn't say keep them to yourself. The fact that you were replying to
me about it was the only reason I wanted to let you know I
(personally) didn't need the advice. I've gone this far with today's so-called ""modern"" software and have no problems. When I do, I seem
to sort it out just fine.
However, if I started importing .MSG here (as in, they haven't been converted to .PKT due to them not knowing how to work their less "modern" mailer software that should be deleting them before sending to me),
I would be seeing a crap-ton of old door game data file .MSG
attachments from systems that haven't gotten the point that the game league that was hosted here at one time was taken down well over a
year ago. I don't care to see those and already have a script in place
to search contents of incoming PKT and MSG files for those specific keywords and delete them. However, that's on an hourly cron so if I
were to load up Golded and that cron hasn't run yet, I would get to
see them in all of their faded glory. :|
So basically, at the expense of keeping my system cleaner due to
others issues, I've created my own workarounds so I don't have to see
a bunch of unwanted garbage.
As for MakeNL, our RC posts his processing messages directly to the
region 11 admin echo. So I don't need to process them here. Others may
not have that luxury though, so by all means.. continue to give the
advice you're giving. I was just letting you know I (personally) don't need it, so directing your replies to me may not be as helpful as directing them elsewhere. :)
The OP that asked the question now has a few different options to
persue while moving ahead.
[time passes]
MKMU103.ZIP 128959 20-Mar-1994
no one should ever be sending raw MSG files to start with... that's
the first problem... "converted to PKT"?? empty file attach messages
in MSG format don't even get sent from properly configured and working systems... they are little more than ?LO files in the BSO format...
they only serve to tell the mailer where the file is going...
you wouldn't even need to worry about MSG files arriving in your
inbounds if folks would take the time to learn about the tech and how
it works but :shrug: oh well...
that's all find and good... educating those sending the crap to you
would be better, though... but there's that thing about horses, water
and drinking that gets in the way i guess...
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