• The Death of Carrie Fishe

    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Al Kaiser on Tue Dec 27 20:21:00 2016
    I just wanted to say especially sad for me. I JUST returned from seeing Star >Wars Rogue One and the last face on the screen was Princess Leia.

    It is a sad day for Star Wars fans... especially those of us who saw the original movies when they were still "new." I say that because I fear that, one day I will be watching one of the originals and they will have CGI'ed in whatever actress might play Leia in any future prequel movies. :(

    Don't think they might not. If you've seen "Jedi" since 2004, you know
    they've already at least partially replaced one of them that way. Maybe
    Disney won't go back and mess with the old movies as much as Lucasfilms did, though.

    Mike

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Jan 10 23:25:00 2017
    Mike Powell wrote to Al Kaiser <=-

    Don't think they might not. If you've seen "Jedi" since 2004, you know they've already at least partially replaced one of them that way.

    Who is that? Unless you mean someone in Jabba's palace...


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to Jimmy Anderson on Wed Jan 11 17:48:00 2017
    Who is that? Unless you mean someone in Jabba's palace...

    At the very end, when you see the ghosts of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin, the Anakin you see is the young one from the prequel movies and not the Anakin
    that was in the original Jedi. That was done for one of the DVD releases sometime around 2004 and has shown up on TV since.

    Mike

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Jan 22 22:31:00 2017
    Mike Powell wrote to Al Kaiser <=-

    It is a sad day for Star Wars fans... especially those of us who saw
    the original movies when they were still "new." I say that because I
    fear that, one day I will be watching one of the originals and they
    will have CGI'ed in whatever actress might play Leia in any future
    prequel movies. :(

    I don't think they'll do that. They might (Boba's voice being changed
    to Jango's voice, etc.) but I don't think it will go that far.

    Personally I'm NOT butt hurt when the artist changes something. I
    thouroughly enjoyed the Special Editions and the changes that were
    made!


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to ROGER NELSON on Sun Jan 22 22:33:00 2017
    Roger Nelson wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    It's strange why her mother said she was
    in ICU and stable condidion. Any human that goes without a heartbeat
    for 15 minutes (what I heard on the news) doesn't have much of a life left.

    Stable just means no change - but yeah, it didn't sound as bad
    as it turned out to be. :-(


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to MIKE POWELL on Sun Jan 22 23:01:00 2017
    Mike Powell wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Who is that? Unless you mean someone in Jabba's palace...

    At the very end, when you see the ghosts of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin,
    the Anakin you see is the young one from the prequel movies and not the Anakin that was in the original Jedi. That was done for one of the DVD releases sometime around 2004 and has shown up on TV since.

    Oh that - yeah - noticed that the first time I saw the SE's. I actually thought that was a great change!


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105.1 to Jimmy Anderson on Mon Jan 23 18:25:00 2017
    Personally I'm NOT butt hurt when the artist changes something. I
    thouroughly enjoyed the Special Editions and the changes that were
    made!

    I also enjoyed the original re-issues with the enhanced effects. What I
    don't like is when they keep going back without adding any enhancement. If they wanted to show Anakin when he was young and NOT a jerk, they should have at least used the little kid from I or the cartoon character from Clone Wars.

    Anakin in II and III was a spoiled brat... it was like they knew we already knew he was going to become Vader so they did not even try to make him likeable, even though Obi-Wan talked him up like he was a big hero in the original series. Darth Vader is more likeable than II/III Anakin.

    They've since sworn they would not add a computerized Carrie to IX, but that does not mean they won't go backwards and replace her somewhere.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105.1 to Jimmy Anderson on Mon Jan 23 18:26:00 2017
    At the very end, when you see the ghosts of Yoda, Obi-wan, and Anakin, the Anakin you see is the young one from the prequel movies and not the Anakin that was in the original Jedi. That was done for one of the DVD releases sometime around 2004 and has shown up on TV since.

    Oh that - yeah - noticed that the first time I saw the SE's. I actually thought that was a great change!

    It was not in the original SE's. That was something they went back and redid later still. Like I said, Vader was more likeable than era II/III "Annie".

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  • From Roger Nelson@1:3828/7 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Jan 24 05:13:58 2017
    On Sun Jan-22-2017 22:33, JIMMY ANDERSON (1:116/18) wrote to ROGER NELSON:

    Roger Nelson wrote to Mike Miller <=-

    It's strange why her mother said she was
    in ICU and stable condidion. Any human that goes without a heartbeat
    for 15 minutes (what I heard on the news) doesn't have much of a life left.

    Stable just means no change - but yeah, it didn't sound as bad as
    it turned out to be. :-(

    No heartbeat, no blood to the brain. She would have been a vegetable had they kept her alive. She will be in Star Wars VIII: The Last Jedi, but won't appear
    in any after that and that's only because the shooting for it wrapped in July.
    She won't be reproduced digitally.


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  • From Allen Prunty@1:2320/100 to Mike Powell on Wed Jan 25 08:34:42 2017

    On Jan 23, 2017 06:25pm, Mike Powell wrote to Jimmy Anderson:

    I also enjoyed the original re-issues with the enhanced effects. What I don't like is when they keep going back without adding any enhancement.
    If they wanted to show Anakin when he was young and NOT a jerk, they
    should have at least used the little kid from I or the cartoon
    character from Clone Wars.

    True... but I woudl rather forget episodes 1/2 however #3 scored some points when they blew up Jar Jar and brought the story into Episode 4.

    Mom thought the CGI likeness of peter cushing looked "cartooney" and the CGI
    of Princess Lea when young was "disneyfied" where they really made her look like a living cartoon disney princess.

    They've since sworn they would not add a computerized Carrie to IX, but that does not mean they won't go backwards and replace her somewhere.

    I think that she has all her scenes for 8 in the can... however I hope they give her a hero's goodbye and do it right at the end of 8 or beginning of 9.

    Allen
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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Jan 31 10:57:00 2017
    Mike Powell wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    I also enjoyed the original re-issues with the enhanced effects. What
    I don't like is when they keep going back without adding any
    enhancement. If they wanted to show Anakin when he was young and NOT a jerk, they should have at least used the little kid from I or the
    cartoon character from Clone Wars.

    Anakin in II and III was a spoiled brat... it was like they knew we already knew he was going to become Vader so they did not even try to
    make him likeable, even though Obi-Wan talked him up like he was a big hero in the original series. Darth Vader is more likeable than II/III Anakin.

    That's a common complaint I have heard. Have you heard of the Ring Theory?
    It actually talks about the fact that the good guys turn out to be the
    bad guys, so it is 'jarring' to us on a deeper level.

    As for 'as if we already knew' - of course we knew he would become Vader!
    The prequels are NOT to be watched "first" but in release order, so of
    COURSE we know what he is to become.

    As for their friendship - I think that is explored more in the Clone Wars animated series.

    They've since sworn they would not add a computerized Carrie to IX, but that does not mean they won't go backwards and replace her somewhere.

    And if they do they do. I won't become a hater because of it. :-)


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to MIKE POWELL on Tue Jan 31 10:58:00 2017
    Mike Powell wrote to Jimmy Anderson <=-

    Oh that - yeah - noticed that the first time I saw the SE's. I actually thought that was a great change!

    It was not in the original SE's. That was something they went back and redid later still. Like I said, Vader was more likeable than era
    II/III "Annie".

    Maybe for a DVD release then? Either way, I liked the change.

    As flr likeable, that's a personal opinion. :-)


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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:2215/1701 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Wed Feb 1 18:32:24 2017
    They've since sworn they would not add a computerized Carrie to
    IX, but that does not mean they won't go backwards and replace
    her somewhere.

    And if they do they do. I won't become a hater because of it. :-)

    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    To be honest, if they use the technology to replace actors who are
    deceased to keep the character going (instead of "pulling a Darren") I'm
    ok with it. Now if they went back to her "younger years"... it'd be a
    toss up. But at this point, I don't think I'd accept "a close
    look-alike" in the sequel.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to DREW KLENOTIC on Wed Feb 15 14:05:00 2017
    Drew Klenotic wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    To be honest, if they use the technology to replace actors who are deceased to keep the character going (instead of "pulling a Darren")

    LOL - yes, I'm old enough to know what you mean, and I've never heard
    it put that way. :-D

    Or they could write it into the storyline, as they did for The Oracle
    in the Matrix trilogy.

    I'm ok with it. Now if they went back to her "younger years"... it'd
    be a toss up. But at this point, I don't think I'd accept "a close look-alike" in the sequel.

    I'll accept whatever they offer. It's Star Wars, after all. :-)


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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:2215/1701 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Fri Feb 17 18:56:54 2017
    On 15 Feb 17 14:05:00 JIMMY ANDERSON wrote...

    I'll accept whatever they offer. It's Star Wars, after all. :-)

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    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    To be honest, I'm getting pickier and crankier in my older years
    (approaching my mid-40's, I'm practically a "get off my lawn you stupid
    kids" cranky).

    I'm really getting tired of reboots and re-writes and sequels to movies
    that are decades old written by people with very little connection to the original.

    I cherish my old stories and I don't want them messed with. Like the
    "new" BattleStar Galactica, for instance. When I found Glen Larson was involved, I watched it. If the B5 reboot has JMS involved I'll watch it.
    If not? Dunno... I'll wait to see what others say regarding it being
    close to the original vision.


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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to DREW KLENOTIC on Sat Mar 18 22:32:00 2017
    Drew Klenotic wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    On 15 Feb 17 14:05:00 JIMMY ANDERSON wrote...

    I'll accept whatever they offer. It's Star Wars, after all. :-)

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    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    To be honest, I'm getting pickier and crankier in my older years (approaching my mid-40's, I'm practically a "get off my lawn you stupid kids" cranky).

    LOL - I'm actually the opposite, now. I used to be more picky about
    movies and 'reboots' and such, but now I just see it as 'another take'
    or 'another view' or whatever you want to call it.

    And I just turned 50 earlier this month. LOL

    I'm really getting tired of reboots and re-writes and sequels to movies that are decades old written by people with very little connection to
    the original.

    I cherish my old stories and I don't want them messed with. Like the "new" BattleStar Galactica, for instance. When I found Glen Larson was involved, I watched it. If the B5 reboot has JMS involved I'll watch
    it.
    If not? Dunno... I'll wait to see what others say regarding it being close to the original vision.

    That's exactly what I'm talking about there... Had a conversation about this with my youngest son at supper tonight. It's a vision - that's it. No, it
    might not align with the 'original vision,' but it doesn't make it 'wrong.'

    Like I told him, you don't have to LIKE it, but it doesn't make it 'wrong.'
    :-)



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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:2215/1701 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Sun Mar 19 13:45:50 2017
    On 18 Mar 17 22:32:00 JIMMY ANDERSON wrote...

    That's exactly what I'm talking about there... Had a conversation
    about this with my youngest son at supper tonight. It's a vision -
    that's it. No, it might not align with the 'original vision,' but it doesn't make it 'wrong.'

    Like I told him, you don't have to LIKE it, but it doesn't make it
    'wrong.' :-)



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    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    I guess for me, I'd rather see something go off on it's own... Star Trek
    is Star Trek. If you turn around and mess with it, like JJ did... It's
    not Star Trek for me anymore. It's something kinda like it.

    Why didn't he just make his own universe instead? Just like with Star
    Wars... They declared everything out side of the movies to be
    "potentially invalid". All the books... all the games.... all the
    expanded universe stuff. All because JJ was too lazy to come up with his
    own completely original idea.

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to DREW KLENOTIC on Mon Mar 20 07:14:00 2017
    Drew Klenotic wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    On 18 Mar 17 22:32:00 JIMMY ANDERSON wrote...

    That's exactly what I'm talking about there... Had a conversation
    about this with my youngest son at supper tonight. It's a vision -
    that's it. No, it might not align with the 'original vision,' but it doesn't make it 'wrong.'

    Like I told him, you don't have to LIKE it, but it doesn't make it 'wrong.' :-)



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    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    I guess for me, I'd rather see something go off on it's own... Star
    Trek is Star Trek. If you turn around and mess with it, like JJ did... It's not Star Trek for me anymore. It's something kinda like it.

    Why didn't he just make his own universe instead? Just like with Star Wars... They declared everything out side of the movies to be
    "potentially invalid". All the books... all the games.... all the expanded universe stuff. All because JJ was too lazy to come up with
    his own completely original idea.

    To answer your question as to 'why' - because it wouldn't have been the
    money maker it was!

    Matrix was a completely new idea, but it was only three movies (yes, some games, animated shorts and graphic novels too, but even that was VERY
    limited merchandising compared to SW or ST). Aliens franchise was a new 'thing.' I think there are plenty of 'new things' and 'original ideas'
    out there for those looking.

    As for Star Trek, the 'reboot' didn't invalidate the old stuff. If anything
    it CONFIRMED it but also moved into a new direction. The old stuff still happened, just that the timeline has been altered. To me that's better than
    a simple 'reboot' and invalidating all the old stuff.

    As for Star Wars, the EU had gotten, IMHO, very wild and disjointed. I actually LIKE that they started the canon over. I am now reading it all -
    the novels I'm caught up on - the comics I got behind on but I now have
    them all and just need to catch up.

    I was already watching Clone Wars. Rebels has been GREAT, IMO!

    But again, I see your point and I'll raise you respect and an
    'agree to disagree.' :-)

    Jimmy



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  • From Drew Klenotic@1:2215/1701 to JIMMY ANDERSON on Tue Mar 21 18:05:22 2017
    On 20 Mar 17 07:14:00 JIMMY ANDERSON wrote...

    But again, I see your point and I'll raise you respect and an 'agree
    to disagree.' :-)

    Jimmy

    To which Drew Klenotic replies...

    And I'm good with that. Like I said, that's mostly just my take.... that
    and the fact that frankly, I think with Star Trek the alternate universe
    thing has been done to death (much like the zombie genre, pun intended).

    But if people like it, that's cool too.

    And you didn't mention Firefly/Serenity... now that was an idea that
    should have been explored. :(

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  • From JIMMY ANDERSON@1:116/18 to DREW KLENOTIC on Thu Mar 23 19:04:00 2017
    Drew Klenotic wrote to JIMMY ANDERSON <=-

    And you didn't mention Firefly/Serenity... now that was an idea that should have been explored. :(

    I was late to the FF scene. By the time I got around to it Serenity
    was already out, if that tells you anything. :-)

    I do enjoy Joss's stuff though - Dollhouse was one of my favorite
    shows!

    There have been some comics written in the FF universe. Haven't
    collected them and read them yet though.


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