• Re: Shots and leaks (was:

    From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Nov 18 20:56:00 2017
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Daryl Stout on 11-16-17 06:48 <=-

    The shot didn't hurt, but my hip was sore for 15 minutes afterwards.

    Reminds me of when in boot camp all the guys got a series of shots.
    Don't remember what any of them were for. I think the usual "tropical diseases" and so forth.
    Some were in the arm, some in the hip.
    When we got the hip shots we were told to walk around for a certain
    period of time otherwise there would be problems. Some of the guys
    knew better than the docs (of course) and just sat down.
    The following morning where the sound of all these bodies falling
    out their racks due to muscle cramps where the legs didn't work right
    for a while. :)

    When we got our flu shots this year, the pharmacist (we got them at the pharmacy this year) told us to make sure we moved the arm some every so
    often through the evening, so that it wouldn't cramp up later so
    much.... we did, and it helped... :)

    I occasionally can't get to sleep. When that happens I give myself
    till a certain time and if still awake then I'll go on and get up. Sometimes the very idea puts me to sleep as I lay there thinking "If I don't get to sleep by (x time) I'll just stay up. I have lots of
    little projects I can work on".

    Yup... I've found that trying to plan out the next day can put me right
    to sleep, too.... ;)

    One of the computer models was saying we'd have a huge Thanksgiving
    Day blizzard here in one model run earlier today. The next run of it,
    all the snow was gone.

    I often wonder where in the world weather services get their
    information. One will call for fair skies another a storm of some
    sort. The other day Weatherbug (which I use most often) called for
    just cloudy skies, yet the radar showed a green swatch of rain headed
    our way. Ok, which is it? Just clouds or rain?

    Clouds... that will dump their wealth on you when they get close
    enough... ;) The computer models are only as good as the information
    that gets in put, though... so even a small mistake could make a
    difference in the modelling... ;)

    * When I was in high school I helped a teacher restore his nine
    passenger 1914 Stanley Steamer Mountain Wagon. It was one of a few the Stanley Brothers built to transport guests from the train station to
    their big hotel in Estes Park, CO.
    That was a big job and while the teacher did the technical work (I
    am not a mechanic by any means) I did the small work like spending
    hours sanding the steering wheel and wooden wheel spokes, varnish,
    sand, etc. When it was finished I went on the test ride giving turn signals since it was right hand drive. The teacher sold it to a museum
    in OK and made a nice bit of profit and retired from teaching moving to Estes Park.

    Sounds like a labor of love on the teacher's part... and profitable as
    well... ;) And sounds like you enjoyed being a part of it, too.... :)

    The hotel the Stanley's had there is reputed to be once
    of the most haunted hotels in this country with the old man and his
    wife still there along with several others.

    They're so attached to the place they're not moving on, eh....?

    ttyl neb

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Nov 21 06:45:20 2017
    Nancy wrote --

    Clouds... that will dump their wealth on you when they get close
    enough...

    What I find funny is the weather report on the radio saying "Possible showers
    today" when its pouring down the rain outside.
    One time a tv reporter said the computer was down and couldn't tell viewer what the current weather was. I spoke back to the tv asking "Why not look out a window?"
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 24 15:49:00 2017
    Joe,

    What I find funny is the weather report on the radio saying "Possible show
    today" when its pouring down the rain outside.
    One time a tv reporter said the computer was down and couldn't tell viewer
    what the current weather was. I spoke back to the tv asking "Why not look o JM>a window?"

    If it doesn't rain or snow at an "official observation site" or a "cooperative observer site", there was "no official precipitation" that
    day.

    The Weather Rock is more timely:

    Wet: Rain
    Dry: Not Raining
    Shadow On Ground: Sunny
    White On Top: Snowing
    Can't See Stone: Foggy
    Swinging Stone: Windy
    Stome Jumping Up And Down: Earthquake
    Stone Gone: Tornado

    Daryl

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Sat Nov 25 07:31:47 2017
    Daryl wrote --

    If it doesn't rain or snow at an "official observation site" or a "cooperative observer site", there was "no official precipitation" that day.

    A few summers ago we had one of those summer rains where its a gully washer in one area yet a short distance away nothing.
    The news reported stories on some viaducts down town that had flooded, yards,
    streets, etc, that subsided soon after the rain stopped.
    A few minutes later the weather guy said "There was no rain today" or words to that effect (because they use the airport, on top of a hill {literally, this
    is WV after all} is the official weather collection station).
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 26 10:58:00 2017
    Joe,

    A few summers ago we had one of those summer rains where its a gully washe
    in one area yet a short distance away nothing.

    The same happens with severe weather, especially tornadoes. One side
    of the street is destroyed, and the other side isn't even touched.

    The news reported stories on some viaducts down town that had flooded, yar
    streets, etc, that subsided soon after the rain stopped.

    One night, there was both a Tornado Warning and a Flash Flood Warning
    for Pulaski County (the Little Rock Metro Area). This woman took her
    daughter out to get a video and pizza...completely oblivious to what was
    going on weather wise. Some of the railroad underpasses have signs
    before them noting "Road Unsafe When Under Water". To make a long story
    short, the Little Rock Fire Department Urban Search And Rescue Unit had
    to go rescue her and her daughter.

    Another time, one of the area parks, Boyle Park, floods badly during
    heavy rain. The police had already blocked off roads into the park, yet
    this one school bus driver (with a bus full of kids after school),
    decided to take her chances. She moved the barricades, and headed down
    the road, only to get caught in the floodwaters, and have to call the
    Fire Department to get rescued. The police issued her a citation for
    moving the barricades. I would've fired her on the spot, and arrested
    her for endangering the lives of those kids. Everyone got out OK, but
    had just one child drowned, you know that the lawyers would've smelled
    blood (no pun intended), and filed a lawsuit against the driver and the
    school district.

    A few minutes later the weather guy said "There was no rain today" or word
    to that effect (because they use the airport, on top of a hill {literally, t JM>is WV after all} is the official weather collection station).

    See my other post on The Weather Rock. :P

    Daryl

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Wed Nov 29 06:29:38 2017
    Daryl wrote --

    The news reported stories on some viaducts down town that had
    flooded, yards, streets, etc, that subsided soon after the rain stopped. going on weather wise. Some of the railroad underpasses have signs
    before them noting "Road Unsafe When Under Water". To make a long story short, the Little Rock Fire Department Urban Search And Rescue Unit had
    to go rescue her and her daughter.

    Our viaducts all have signs posted as to height. Some are 10 feet, some 15 feet clearance. Its not uncommon for some truck to get stuck with a 12 foot top thinking they can make it through a 10 foot clearance.
    There's a UTube channel on car crashes and one is a static security camera on
    a viaduct with a sign stating its X feet clearance and truck after truck run into it either tearing off the top, destroying the trailer, etc depending on how much higher than posted they were or how fast they were going.

    this one school bus driver (with a bus full of kids after school),
    decided to take her chances. She moved the barricades, and headed down
    the road, only to get caught in the floodwaters,

    Serves her right. One should never cross flood/travel on flooded roads. There's no idea what's under the water.
    And I agree, she should have been fired for endangering the lives of the kids.
    Joe


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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Nov 30 12:15:00 2017
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Daryl Stout on 11-25-17 07:31 <=-

    If it doesn't rain or snow at an "official observation site" or a
    "cooperative observer site", there was "no official precipitation" that
    day.

    A few summers ago we had one of those summer rains where its a gully washer in one area yet a short distance away nothing.
    The news reported stories on some viaducts down town that had
    flooded, yards, streets, etc, that subsided soon after the rain
    stopped. A few minutes later the weather guy said "There was no rain today" or words to that effect (because they use the airport, on top of
    a hill {literally, this is WV after all} is the official weather collection station). Joe

    Silly as that is, it seems to be pretty standard across the
    country... ;) You'd think, though, that the weather reporter would at
    least acknowledge that there was no rain AT THE OFFICIAL STATION, but
    there had been the torrents of it that hit the city down below.... A
    bit of accepting the reality would be nice... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Nov 30 08:16:00 2017
    Joe,

    Our viaducts all have signs posted as to height. Some are 10 feet, some
    feet clearance. Its not uncommon for some truck to get stuck with a 12 foot JM>top thinking they can make it through a 10 foot clearance.

    Guess who flunked math in school?? :P

    There's a UTube channel on car crashes and one is a static security camera
    a viaduct with a sign stating its X feet clearance and truck after truck run JM>into it either tearing off the top, destroying the trailer, etc depending on JM>how much higher than posted they were or how fast they were going.

    It's hilarious on how it "shaves the top off". Sort of like the song
    that C.W. McCall did on "Wolfcreek Pass"...here are the lyrics I recall
    from it...

    "Right in the middle of the whole d@mn show was a real nice
    tunnel...now, wouldn't you know??!! The sign says clearence to the
    twelvefoot line, but the chickens were stacked to thirteen nine!! Well,
    we shot that tunnel one hundred and ten; like gas through a funnel, and
    eggs through a hen. We took that top row of chickens off slicker than
    the algae in a Louisiana Swamp"!!

    Serves her right. One should never cross flood/travel on flooded roads.
    There's no idea what's under the water.
    And I agree, she should have been fired for endangering the lives of the
    kids.

    It only takes 6 inches of moving water to sweep humans off their feet,
    and only 1 to 2 feet of water to sweep a vehicle off the road. When the National Weather Service says "TURN AROUND!! DON'T DROWN!!", they're not kidding. That road or bridge under that rapidly moving water may not be
    there anymore!!

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Nov 19 06:03:10 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    Blizzard of '93.

    That's the SuperStorm,

    Yep, and it stopped everything from the Mississippi to the Atlantic.

    The school kids always fail to realize that if they miss school now
    for snow days, they will lose their spring break, or it cuts into their summer vacation.

    I never remember a snow day when I was in school. Even in Colorado.
    If you couldn't make it to school someone called in, or it was known a certain area had problems (roads known to be snowed in, etc), you simply
    made that up till one was back with the class.
    During the flood of '37 (when lots of this area was underwater) unless
    your school was flooded, classes continued. My brother and sister
    (fathers first marriage) still attended school, and took a rowboat to a
    few yards from the school.
    There had been a lot of snow in December 1936 and early January 1937
    and then a warm period. That melted and from Pittsburgh to Cincinnati
    and down the Mississippi was vast flooding. I live four blocks from the
    Ohio and the water crested a few steps up the stairs to the third flood.
    My apartment was dry but the one below was underwater to nearly the
    ceiling.
    The flood was a slow riser, the river just kept going up day after day,
    not a flash flood or anything. People in the path just moved what they
    could to higher floors of houses, businesses, etc.
    After a few days or weeks the water went down, people cleaned up the
    mess and life continued. A year later one couldn't tell there had been a flood.
    For many years downtown buildings had the high water mark left on
    their sides as a reminder.

    I live downtown and when told by the radio not to go outside, I of
    course, went out to find out why. :)

    You like to live dangerously, then?? ;)

    Live on the edge baby, that's me! :)

    flake falling and cars running into each, off in the ditch, etc.

    Exactly. Reminds me of the Heathcliff comic strip, where the cat is
    going absolutely nuts!! His owner says "Relax, Heathcliff!! It's only a flurry". :P

    When we would have flurries Blanche would claw the window trying to
    catch them. :)

    To me, a Blizzard Warning is notice that your dessert at Dairy Queen
    is ready for you. <G>

    LOL!
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 19 15:34:00 2018
    Joe,

    I never remember a snow day when I was in school. Even in Colorado.
    If you couldn't make it to school someone called in, or it was known a
    certain area had problems (roads known to be snowed in, etc), you simply JM>made that up till one was back with the class.

    Like the picture of the school bus with these HUGE WHEELS/SNOW TIRES,
    which lifts the bus above the snow...and the caption says "Sorry,
    kids...no more snow days". <G>

    My apartment was dry but the one below was underwater to nearly the
    ceiling.

    Bummer...then all the mold from the flooding.

    For many years downtown buildings had the high water mark left on
    their sides as a reminder.

    I'm sure.

    You like to live dangerously, then?? ;)

    Live on the edge baby, that's me! :)

    As for me, I'm like the cartoon character, Super Chicken...but that's
    what I am. <G>

    When we would have flurries Blanche would claw the window trying to
    catch them. :)

    I've seen some videos of dachshunds having fun in the snow. But in
    most cases, it's like they look outside, and resolve "That does it. I'm
    pooping in the house today"!! <G>

    To me, a Blizzard Warning is notice that your dessert at Dairy Queen JM>> is ready for you. <G>

    LOL!

    I've never had one of those. The one in town closest to me is very
    busy, and it's hard to get in and out of the parking lot.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Tue Nov 20 07:48:20 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    My apartment was dry but the one below was underwater to nearly the
    ceiling.

    Bummer...then all the mold from the flooding.

    In those days when the water went down people cleaned up the mess,
    unlike today they didn't sit around waiting for the insurance,
    government, whatever to come in and fix the problem.
    Within a few months things were back to normal.
    In 1940 work was begun on the floodwall along the river, on the WV side anyway. The Ohio side still has flooding from to time to time. In
    addition locks and dams and so forth were built. It is highly unlikely a
    flood like '37 will ever happen again.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Nov 21 19:51:00 2018
    Joe,

    In those days when the water went down people cleaned up the mess,
    unlike today they didn't sit around waiting for the insurance, JM>government, whatever to come in and fix the problem.

    What gets me, is that even with things like Hurricane Warnings, so
    many stay behind, as they worry about the threat of looting, etc. While
    a valid concern, those things can be replaced...personal lives can't be.

    In 1940 work was begun on the floodwall along the river, on the WV side
    anyway. The Ohio side still has flooding from to time to time. In JM>addition locks and dams and so forth were built. It is highly unlikely a JM>flood like '37 will ever happen again.

    In 1927, the Arkansas River had a major flood in Little Rock,
    especially in the downtown area. At that time, I think the only bridge
    across the Arkansas River was either Main Street or Broadway (for
    traffic), and 3 railroad bridges (2 for the Missouri Pacific Railroad,
    and one for the Rock Island Railroad). The Mo-Pac even put railroad
    hopper cars loaded with huge boulders on the bridges to try to keep the intensely strong current from washing the bridge away...but it was to no
    avail. Amazingly, the Rock Island bridge survived.

    Today, of the traffic bridges over the Arkansas River, Broadway and
    Main Street are still there...with added bridges on Interstate 430 (west
    side of town), Interstate 440 (southeast side of town), and Interstate
    30 (just east of downtown). I went to the dedication ceremonly of the
    I-440 bridge, and went to work at Burger King that evening...but I got
    so sunburned standing out there!!

    Railroad wise, of the 2 Mo-Pac bridges, only one remains an active
    railroad bridge, but with the Union Pacific Railroad...this portion of
    the track is the main line between Saint Louis, Missouri, and Fort
    Worth, Texas..and it's known as the Baring Cross Bridge, named for the community nearby. The other former Mo-Pac bridge, named the Junction
    Bridge, likely for its nearby diamond at grade crossing with the Rock
    Island years ago, is now a pedestrian bridge in Riverfront Park in the
    downtown areas. The Arkansas River separates Little Rock and North
    Little Rock. The former Rock Island Railroad bridge is also a pedestrian bridge, and the former Rock Island Railroad Passenger Depot is now "the
    School Of Public Service" in the Clinton Presidential Library.

    Whether one loves or loathes Clinton, it admittedly has helped the
    tourism in central Arkansas.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Fri Nov 23 05:23:12 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    What gets me, is that even with things like Hurricane Warnings, so
    many stay behind, as they worry about the threat of looting, etc. While
    a valid concern, those things can be replaced...personal lives can't be.

    Plus you have people who think "It won't happen to me, only to the
    other guy".
    In the flood of '37 there was only one life lost. The water crept up
    and kept on coming, which gave people time to do what needed to be done.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 23 13:52:00 2018
    Joe,

    Plus you have people who think "It won't happen to me, only to the
    other guy".

    It's what I call "apathetic invicibility"..."it won't affect me, and
    it won't be that bad". Guess who's screaming bloody murder not 24 hours
    later??

    In the flood of '37 there was only one life lost. The water crept up
    and kept on coming, which gave people time to do what needed to be done.

    If folks were more weather aware (I didn't say they had to be a meteorologist), there might be less lives lost in weather events. Yet,
    so many think they can beat the weather, but they end up being at the
    mercy of the storm...and many times, they lose.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sun Nov 25 06:38:56 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    If folks were more weather aware (I didn't say they had to be a meteorologist), there might be less lives lost in weather events. Yet,
    so many think they can beat the weather, but they end up being at the
    mercy of the storm...and many times, they lose.

    IMHO I think a lot has to do with how the forecast is presented.
    We have all heard dire, near end of the world, epic proportion,
    disaster, etc predictions of some event and little or nothing happens.
    Or its not nearly as bad as predicted.
    Over time people tend to disbelieve these doom-and-gloom, boy-who- cried-wolf stories.
    Then when something is announced to happen its "I've heard that
    before" and its ignored.
    That was sort of like the Blizzard of '93 here. The weather people
    had predicted "big storm coming" so often few paid any attention. I
    didn't nor did many others. My first thought after it hit was "Well,
    Tony was right for a change".
    The same thing happened in the storm of '96 (I think it was) when
    nearly the same thing happened that January.
    I had a meeting out of town to attend and driving on dry road* I
    turned a bend in the mountains and wham, there was nearly two feet of
    snow. Dry here, a few feet away was snow.
    Those who arrived the night before were sent home before the meeting started. I remember one woman who had spent hours traveling through the
    snow being told to go back home. She not a happy camper.
    Joe

    *I had gotten the meeting place confused and had gone to another town for
    the night. DUH! We had rotated between two or three places.

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Nov 28 05:23:52 2018
    Nancy wrote --

    rained one time, mostly misty rain, till after I left when it poured. (I don't care what it does when I'm not out standing in it). :)

    That timed out perfectly for you, then... ;)

    Yes it did!

    rain getting something to eat. (We NEVER had that problem in the
    Navy!) Joe

    Good thing you were in the Navy, not the Army... ;) You picked well,
    it would seem..... ;)

    The reason I picked the Navy, when I had the choice, was for that
    reason. Plus no camping out in the rain, marching, none of that stuff.
    The few times I was in the weather where for a short time, usually
    standing a watch which lasted four hours, but sometimes those four hours
    seem eternal.
    The only time, other than boot camp, I did any marching was one
    Memorial Day. I volunteered since I got a day off if I did. :)
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Nov 29 21:36:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 11-28-18 05:23 <=-

    rained one time, mostly misty rain, till after I left when it poured. (I don't care what it does when I'm not out standing in it). :)
    That timed out perfectly for you, then... ;)
    Yes it did!

    Good deal.. :)

    rain getting something to eat. (We NEVER had that problem in the Navy!) Joe
    Good thing you were in the Navy, not the Army... ;) You picked well,
    it would seem..... ;)
    The reason I picked the Navy, when I had the choice, was for that
    reason. Plus no camping out in the rain, marching, none of that
    stuff. The few times I was in the weather were for a short time,
    usually standing a watch which lasted four hours, but sometimes those
    four hours seem eternal.

    Instead of it being four hours, it seemed like for hours.... ;)

    The only time, other than boot camp, I did any marching was one
    Memorial Day. I volunteered since I got a day off if I did. :)

    Was it worth it....? <G>

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Nov 30 06:25:04 2018
    Nancy asked --

    The only time, other than boot camp, I did any marching was one
    Memorial Day. I volunteered since I got a day off if I did. :)

    Was it worth it....? <G>

    Marching for a few blocks for a day off? Sure! :)
    I was in another parade, forget what for, here in town. I was a giant Hershey Kiss. :)
    No marching, just walking along and tossing candy.
    Years ago I rode on a float some forgotten parade.
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Dec 1 21:29:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 11-30-18 06:25 <=-

    The only time, other than boot camp, I did any marching was one Memorial Day. I volunteered since I got a day off if I did. :)
    Was it worth it....? <G>

    Marching for a few blocks for a day off? Sure! :)

    Good. :)

    I was in another parade, forget what for, here in town. I was a
    giant Hershey Kiss. :)
    No marching, just walking along and tossing candy.
    Years ago I rode on a float some forgotten parade.

    I don't think I've ever been a part of a parade.... though I've watched
    many a one, both large and small.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Tue Feb 12 07:15:32 2019
    Daryl wrote --

    (I don't have a tv and haven't in years) and he is positively giddy at JM>the mention of snow.

    You mention "thundersnow" to Jim Cantore, and he's the same way. :P

    I wonder if weather people are hired because they are goofy or they
    become that way after a while.
    I've seen videos where once in a while something will happen to the
    picture, sound, etc during a straight news story, but something happens
    more often with the weather reports. Could because they are more light
    hearted or something.
    In the days when magnetic clouds, sun, etc were used on a something
    like a blackboard, those items often fell off, with the weather person
    making some sort of humourous remark. Such as putting a sun icon on the
    board, it falls off and they saying something like "after sun set" and
    the like.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Feb 12 08:09:00 2019
    Joe,

    I wonder if weather people are hired because they are goofy or they
    become that way after a while.

    Hard to say. I remember in the early days of The Weather Channel, they
    had some funky weather folks and promotions.

    I've seen videos where once in a while something will happen to the
    picture, sound, etc during a straight news story, but something happens JM>more often with the weather reports. Could because they are more light JM>hearted or something.

    Well, most of the news and sometimes sports stories are so "hard", you
    need something to lighten things up...like a sunrise. <G>

    In the days when magnetic clouds, sun, etc were used on a something
    like a blackboard, those items often fell off, with the weather person JM>making some sort of humourous remark. Such as putting a sun icon on the JM>board, it falls off and they saying something like "after sun set" and JM>the like.

    Or like in the movie "Groundhog Day", where weatherman Bill Murray
    moves the clouds along on the satellite, with an exhalation of air. <G>
    My favorite line though, was his description of the day..."A thousand
    people freezing their butts off to look at a rodent". <BG>

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Feb 13 06:55:30 2019
    Daryl wrote --

    Or like in the movie "Groundhog Day", where weatherman Bill Murray

    I was in Punaxatawney once.
    Knew a guy there and visiting and Groundhog Day is their one day of
    fame and the whole town goes out for it. And when not Groundhog Day (I
    was there in the summer) everything is Groundhog related with hotels,
    diners, etc all have names related to it or to Phil in some way, gift
    shops, etc.
    I was given the grand tour of the city (took about five minutes in a
    slow walk) and saw Phil's barrow, which is on top of a knoll in the
    downtown park. One can see the inside, like an ant farm, and all.
    There's a civic group dedicated to the critter, like the Elks, with
    each office having a grand name ("Potentate of Phil" and like that) with
    the guy who pulls the critter out for the cameras elected each year and maintains that office with various trappings of a suit, hat, sash, etc
    for official events.
    Hotels and motels for miles around are booked solid for a week before 2 February. They hold dinners, dances and all sorts of things.
    Then on 3 February its back to a sleepy little town till the next year.
    Joe



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  • From Ed Vance@1:2320/105 to Daryl Stout on Wed Apr 3 09:25:00 2019
    Howdy! Daryl,

    Yesterday I was reading some NOAA pages and thought You may want to read
    this one.

    https://www.weather.gov/news/190204-national-forecast-chart

    I 'think' I was on this page when I saw the Link to the page above.

    https://www.weather.gov/wrn/

    I know this might not be new News to You but thought to write about it
    so You would be up to date.

    73 de Ed W9ODR . .

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to ED VANCE on Wed Apr 3 13:06:00 2019
    Howdy! Daryl,

    Hi, Ed...

    Yesterday I was reading some NOAA pages and thought You may want to read EV>this one.

    https://www.weather.gov/news/190204-national-forecast-chart

    I 'think' I was on this page when I saw the Link to the page above.

    https://www.weather.gov/wrn/

    I know this might not be new News to You but thought to write about it
    so You would be up to date.

    I'll bookmark it for later. I was up earlier than I wanted to be this morning, and combined with having to do several errands today, and not
    resting well last night, I'm rather tired right now.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Oct 9 06:12:22 2019
    Nancy wrote --

    It's pretty much balanced out to normal fall temps, but a little on the chilly side yet... highs only in the (mostly high) 60s, lows in the
    40s... We've not started up the furnace for the season yet, though....

    We are in the low 50s at night, upper 60s during the day
    Its that time of year when the windows are closed at night and open in
    the day.
    Not looking forward to when the windows are closed most of the time.
    We did finally get a long soaking rain Monday. First real rain since
    June.
    We had a soggy spring then little rain all summer.
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Thu Oct 17 20:48:00 2019
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 10-09-19 06:12 <=-

    It's pretty much balanced out to normal fall temps, but a little on the chilly side yet... highs only in the (mostly high) 60s, lows in the
    40s... We've not started up the furnace for the season yet, though....

    We are in the low 50s at night, upper 60s during the day
    Its that time of year when the windows are closed at night and open
    in the day.
    Not looking forward to when the windows are closed most of the
    time.

    We've been keeping windows shut to hold in the heat (since high temps
    were mostly in the lower 60s for a few weeks now)... Highs today were
    only in the 40s.... When I came home from the camp, I found that Richard
    had decided it was time to put the heat on... it's only on for a few
    hours during the afternoon/evening to keep the house from getting too
    cool...

    We did finally get a long soaking rain Monday. First real
    rain since June. We had a soggy spring then little rain all summer.

    We also had the soggy spring, but then had regular rain through the
    summer... been raining the last couple of days, too... the fall may be a
    bit soggy, too....

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Jun 4 06:07:12 2020
    Nancy wrote --

    That only holds a grain of truth, for when the weather did move down
    from Lake Erie into WV... ;) It really came from the West Coast and/or Canada, of course.... ;)

    I can predict the weather in a way.
    If a snow comes directly from the west, it will generally go around us
    when the front hits the mountains and splits. But if coming from the north we get hit since nothing to block it.
    If a hurricane hits the Carolina's we will get some watery back lash, but
    if from the Gulf it goes up the Mississippi and makes a right at Cincinnati
    and we get hit with a lot of rain.

    My sister who lives about 45 minutes southeast of us often gets more
    snow than we do in the city.... weather patterns just aren't totally predictable or sensible... <G>

    There's a town near Erie that gets hit with a lot more snow from time to time.
    A few years ago was a late winter snow, around early March.
    We got maybe an inch, if that, but a town about 20 miles east of here
    got two feet!
    Of course that late in the year it didn't last on the ground that long,
    a few days.
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Jun 5 19:03:00 2020
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 06-04-20 06:07 <=-

    That only holds a grain of truth, for when the weather did move down
    from Lake Erie into WV... ;) It really came from the West Coast and/or Canada, of course.... ;)
    I can predict the weather in a way.
    If a snow comes directly from the west, it will generally go around
    us when the front hits the mountains and splits. But if coming from
    the north we get hit since nothing to block it.
    If a hurricane hits the Carolina's we will get some watery back
    lash, but if from the Gulf it goes up the Mississippi and makes a right
    at Cincinnati and we get hit with a lot of rain.

    Of course, there's always enough exceptions to keep you from perfect preduction....

    My sister who lives about 45 minutes southeast of us often gets more
    snow than we do in the city.... weather patterns just aren't totally predictable or sensible... <G>
    There's a town near Erie that gets hit with a lot more snow from
    time to time.

    Probably in just the right position for lake effect from Lake Erie...
    and that actually is part of why my sister gets more snow than we do...
    the track off the ends of Ontario and Erie tends to stay more in line
    with where she is... ;)

    A few years ago was a late winter snow, around early March.
    We got maybe an inch, if that, but a town about 20 miles east of
    here got two feet!
    Of course that late in the year it didn't last on the ground that
    long, a few days.

    True, even two feet will melt fast when it gets warm and sunny....

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Jun 6 05:34:56 2020
    Nancy wrote--

    True, even two feet will melt fast when it gets warm and sunny....

    When we had the March blizzard of '93 we got two feet of snow overnight, starting on a Friday. The city (along with most of the eastern area of the country) was shut down that weekend.
    By the following weekend the only way one could tell there had been any
    snow were the plowed mounds in parking lots.
    The only kind of snow I like: here today, gone tomorrow. :)
    Joe

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Jun 10 12:54:00 2020
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 06-06-20 05:34 <=-

    True, even two feet will melt fast when it gets warm and sunny....

    When we had the March blizzard of '93 we got two feet of snow
    overnight, starting on a Friday. The city (along with most of the
    eastern area of the country) was shut down that weekend.
    By the following weekend the only way one could tell there had been
    any snow were the plowed mounds in parking lots.

    That happens here, too (except for the shutting down of everything for
    only 2 feet of snow, takes more like 3 or 4 all at once)... but usually
    only at the beginning of the season and when there's a really late
    storm... ;)

    The only kind of snow I like: here today, gone tomorrow. :)

    I don't mind having snow longer than that, but I do like to have the
    roads, sidewalks and cars clear... :) A light dusting periodically is
    nice to freshen things up, too... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Jun 11 05:05:24 2020
    Nancy wrote --
    That happens here, too (except for the shutting down of everything for
    only 2 feet of snow, takes more like 3 or 4 all at once)

    Around here three inches shuts everything down.
    My late friend in Erie, PA used get such a laugh out of that.
    She would write they had gotten a foot at one time or the other and I
    would ask if that was considered a "dusting". :)
    The way I like snow is looking out the window at it. And then its gone
    in a few days or when I have to be out in it.
    Joe (in Richmond, VA)
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Jun 12 11:25:00 2020
    Joe,

    Around here three inches shuts everything down.

    Not even that in Arkansas...forecasting winter weather is real flaky. <G>

    The way I like snow is looking out the window at it. And then its
    gone in a few days or when I have to be out in it.

    We haven't had much snow here the last 3 winters.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Jun 13 20:52:00 2020
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 06-11-20 05:05 <=-

    That happens here, too (except for the shutting down of everything for
    only 2 feet of snow, takes more like 3 or 4 all at once)

    Around here three inches shuts everything down.
    My late friend in Erie, PA used get such a laugh out of that.
    She would write they had gotten a foot at one time or the other and
    I would ask if that was considered a "dusting". :)

    Nah... that's more than a dusting, one does have to do some shoveling
    and scraping to get things cleaned up.... a dusting you can blow on and
    it's gone... ;)

    The way I like snow is looking out the window at it. And then its
    gone in a few days or when I have to be out in it.

    That's my preferable way as well, most of the time... ;) I don't mind
    having it on the ground as long as it isn't on the car or the roads... :)

    Joe (in Richmond, VA)

    Making progress in your trip, I see....

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Feb 22 06:10:30 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    Many ice covered trees have fallen, knocking out power, travel difficult outside the urban areas.

    Same here. The region has had to deal with numerous wrecks, abandoned vehicles, rolling blackouts, and running out of water.

    We haven't had any abandoned vehicles, rolling blackouts or lack of
    water. At least in the urban areas. And since I live and work in an urban environment I've been untouched by that.

    Folks down here don't know how to drive in this stuff...never mind under regular conditions.

    Drivers here go crazy when it snows.
    I am reminded of an old Far Side cartoon. You have read this before but
    its for the newbies.
    Two panels.
    First panel is a typical day on the highway with cars going about their business.
    Second panel, "the first snow flake of the season" and there is one
    solitary snowflake falling and cars are running into each other, driving off the
    highway, etc.
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Feb 22 10:06:00 2021
    Joe,

    We haven't had any abandoned vehicles, rolling blackouts or lack of water. At least in the urban areas. And since I live and work in an urban environment I've been untouched by that.

    Be grateful. I saw where folks who lost their 11 year old child due to
    the winter weather and lack of power and heat, have filed a $100 million lawsuit against the power companies. Nowadays, the prolific pun is "Attorney - Have Law Suit With Lawsuit, Will Travel". You know there are folks chomping
    at the bit on litigation.

    If Geico doesn't offer me a good settlement after the wreck (which I can't get until after the chiropractic care is done), I'll have to hire an attorney, and take them to court to sue big time. The lawyer will then take 25 to 50% of the damages. I would prefer to get a big settlement, then "take the money, and run".

    The second law of thermodynamics (entropy) means that sooner more than later, everything in this life...flesh and blood or otherwise...is going to fail. In the case of a vehicle, it loses 30 to 70% of its value the moment you drive it off the dealership lot. Yet, you can expect to pay at least $20,000 for a new car...likely more. And, with everything being electronically integrated, if
    one thing fails, like a house of cards, the whole thing will crash.

    The 2009 Volvo 2 door hardtop convertible ended up being exchanged for a 2013 Chevy Cruze 4 door sedan...because of a lack of parts. The thing is, the age on both means that parts have worn out.

    Repairs to the Volvo would eventually cost far more than the Chevrolet, but with the issues they've found (plus replacing the tires, and getting a full spare) is going to cost me $3500. I've got just enough in the bank to take care of that, plus the rest of this month's bills. Another COVID-19 check would
    elp,
    but with all of the political boondoggling and under the table stuff that's always going on in Washington, DC...I'm not optimistic. There's a bunch of crap in the new bill that has no business being in there, IMO.

    Drivers here go crazy when it snows.

    That's the case everywhere.

    I am reminded of an old Far Side cartoon. You have read this before
    but its for the newbies.
    Two panels.
    First panel is a typical day on the highway with cars going about
    their business.
    Second panel, "the first snow flake of the season" and there is one solitary snowflake falling and cars are running into each other,
    driving off the highway, etc.

    Exactly. Folks think they can stop just as quick on a wet, snowy, or icy pavement, as they can on dry...and most times, they're driving too fast for conditions. That likely was the main cause of the 130 vehicle pile-up in
    Fort Worth recently.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Tue Feb 23 06:12:28 2021
    Daryl wrote --

    The 2009 Volvo 2 door hardtop convertible ended up being exchanged for a 2013 Chevy Cruze 4 door sedan...because of a lack of parts.

    When I was on my trip in '19 the first car was a Cruze and while not a
    Chevy man, I fell in love with it. It was a 2918 or '19 model.
    When I rent a car I want something with a little protection around me,
    not some tiny death trap on wheels.
    Had to swap it out in Del Rio, TX for a Nissan Versa after that incident
    with the right front wheel.

    Folks think they can stop just as quick on a wet, snowy, or icy
    pavement, as they can on dry...and most times, they're driving too fast for conditions. That likely was the main cause of the 130 vehicle pile-up in Fort Worth recently.

    Concur.
    I hate driving on interstates on general principle. I'll be doing the
    limit, in good conditions, and passed by others like I was sitting still.
    And many times drivers are distracted by any number of things: phones, texting, playing with that infotainment business, their minds off in space somewhere, etc.
    Joe

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Feb 23 10:29:00 2021
    Joe,

    When I was on my trip in '19 the first car was a Cruze and while not
    a Chevy man, I fell in love with it. It was a 2918 or '19 model.

    It's cheaper to repair an American made car than a foreign made one.

    When I rent a car I want something with a little protection around
    me, not some tiny death trap on wheels.

    Exactly...you might as well be driving a dune buggy. :P

    Had to swap it out in Del Rio, TX for a Nissan Versa after that
    incident with the right front wheel.

    Unfortunately, the law of entropy affects everything.

    I hate driving on interstates on general principle. I'll be doing
    the limit, in good conditions, and passed by others like I was sitting still.

    That was the case when I was going over to Lonoke to visit my Mom in a nursing home. I couldn't take US Highway 70 (the main route before I-40
    was built), as it was flooded out. I was a nervous wreck when I got there.

    And many times drivers are distracted by any number of things:
    phones, texting, playing with that infotainment business, their minds
    off in space somewhere, etc.

    Yep. I keep the radio on low volume, so I can hear sirens or other
    things that demand my attention. If a call comes in on the cellphone,
    if I can't pull off the road and park to answer it, I ignore it. Or,
    if it's a number I don't recognize, I ignore it regardless.

    I've been getting slammed by all these fraudulent calls, wanting
    to sell me auto insurance and warranties, saying my Social Security
    benefits are going to be suspended, credit card problems, etc. I have
    a bulletin on the BBS with a whole slew of phone numbers that folks
    should BLOCK in their smartphones.

    Daryl

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  • From August Abolins@1:153/757.21 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Jan 30 11:51:00 2022
    Hello JOE MACKEY!

    ** On Sunday 30.01.22 - 07:03, JOE MACKEY wrote to GEORGE POPE:

    CP wrote --

    I prefer 80F+ all 4 seasons.

    I like it between 55 and 85.
    Cool nights good for sleeping, and warm days where you don't need a jacket or anything.

    The inside temp fell to around 13C at some point overnight (and
    -33C between 5am-6am outside). I didn't even notice it. Woke
    up to the temp at 16C. Now, about 4 hours later, I am basking
    in romm temp of 17C.
    --
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:135/392 to AUGUST ABOLINS on Mon Jan 31 06:30:24 2022
    Aug wrote --

    up to the temp at 16C. Now, about 4 hours later, I am basking
    in romm temp of 17C.

    My place stays pretty much 20C without heat in the winter, due to heat
    from the apartment below rising up.
    This is during a normal winter where it runs from about -3 overnight to
    7.2 during the day.
    On my days off I might have the heat on but usually its get up, go to
    work, come home, go to bed without any heat on.
    And unless a really cold night, there is no heat on then. I'm nice and
    warm snuggled under the covers and don't notice it. :)
    Joe
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  • From George Pope@1:153/757 to August Abolins on Mon Jan 31 14:58:04 2022
    The inside temp fell to around 13C at some point overnight (and
    -33C between 5am-6am outside). I didn't even notice it. Woke
    up to the temp at 16C. Now, about 4 hours later, I am basking
    in romm temp of 17C.

    & God bless you. . .

    You earned your money & you decide how to spend it according to the creature comfortas YOU gety to definefor yourself.

    I kept my place at 25C when heat was included, but no more than 23 now that I'm paying for the gas. . .

    When I'm earning more, I'll pop it back up to 25. . .

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:2320/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Feb 9 03:28:00 2022
    Joe,

    We had long rains and falling temps on Thursday.
    It turned to freezing rain and sleet that evening and overnight it snowed. Mot much, about an inch, But under that snow was just ice.

    That's the dangerous part.

    But as the way wore on it warmed and except in shady areas that all melted with the streets and sidewalks drying,

    There is a name for that, but it scrolled off the weather page. The word began with Ab, but I don't remember the rest (no, it wasn't cdefg, etc. <G>).

    Ohio, just across the river, got it worse than we did with lots of
    local flooding.

    They will with the snow melt.

    We may be dealing with severe weather by the middle of next week...just
    in time for our severe weather awareness week and tornado season (sigh!).

    Daryl

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