Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are
at an all time low.

Probably a sign of the times. But considering the lack of web
privacy (Facebook selling dossiers of members, etc) the bbs might
start making a comeback.

I've done a bunch of work on Doc's Place and invite y'all to stop
by bbs.docsplace.org. Qwk is available via web browser, and
telnet is on port 26.

Just another day in paradise.. Laying in bed entering this
message on my smartphone. Gotta love tech when it's working
right..
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On 2017 Feb 05 14:02:36, you wrote to ALL:

Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are at
an all time low.

where have you been for the last 20 years??

Probably a sign of the times. But considering the lack of web privacy (Facebook selling dossiers of members, etc) the bbs might start making
a comeback.

doubtful... any system that wants real ID information is subject to suspicion... many BBSes demand/want such information to cover the personal liability aspect of being responsible for what their posters write... the only saving grace for providers /might/ be LLC or similar incorporation... especially if they post that old school thing about following some law and that
communications may be monitored which makes the operator liable in the first place...

)\/(ark

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Ed wrote --

Just another day in paradise.. Laying in bed entering this

message on my smartphone. Gotta love tech when it's working
right..

I've never gotten the hang of using a phone for things like that.
My phone is mostly limited to talk and text. It has wifi so my net is free (either at home with my router or various hot spots) but the screen is a tad small (4.5") to read much of anything. And with my fat clumsy fingers forget trying to type very much. :)
But I am still amazed after all these years at people who can't go five minutes without doing something on their phones. Not talking but other things.
Is their life that so important? (Or they simply trying to impress others?)
Joe


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On Feb 05, 2017 09:19pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are at
an all time low.

where have you been for the last 20 years??

On the Internet.. :)

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Probably a sign of the times. But considering the lack of web privacy
(Facebook selling dossiers of members, etc) the bbs might start making EK>> a comeback.

doubtful... any system that wants real ID information is subject to suspicion... many BBSes demand/want such information to cover the
personal liability aspect of being responsible for what their posters write... the only saving grace for providers /might/ be LLC or similar incorporation... especially if they post that old school thing about following some law and that communications may be monitored which makes
the operator liable in the first place...

Actually system operators can not be held liable for what their users post.

Don't Shoot.. I'm only the messenger!!
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On 2017 Feb 06 07:56:04, you wrote to me:

Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are at
an all time low.

where have you been for the last 20 years??

On the Internet.. :)

haven't we all? :lol:

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

we used to get a lot more than that... kept two lines tied up for most of the day... our human BBS callers had dropped to basically zero before we had a chance to get the BBS available over telnet... we kept the two lines going for FTN mailer calls for a while... we actually had three numbers with the third being "remote call forwarded" to the second one... when the telco started charging us for outbound services on the "remote call forwarded" number, we dropped it and the second line while filing a huge protest... "remote call forward" means that there's no line and no physical phone to be used... there was no way for us to make any outbound calls on that number... it only existed in the telco computer and was explicitly call forwarded to the second number...
when they started charging us for those services that we absolutely could not make use of (eg: long distance), the cost went from $4US a month to at least $25US or more a month... yeah, thanks but no...

Probably a sign of the times. But considering the lack of web
privacy (Facebook selling dossiers of members, etc) the bbs might
start making a comeback.

doubtful... any system that wants real ID information is subject to
suspicion... many BBSes demand/want such information to cover the
personal liability aspect of being responsible for what their posters
write... the only saving grace for providers /might/ be LLC or
similar incorporation... especially if they post that old school
thing about following some law and that communications may be
monitored which makes the operator liable in the first place...

Actually system operators can not be held liable for what their users

post.

they absolutely can be if they post public notice that all comms and messages are monitored... that means that they read each and every message posted on their system and take action on things that are against the law... if they miss
something, which is very easy to do, then they are absolutely responsible specifically because they do monitor and they publicly state such... i have a special example message around here that proves exactly that point, too... normally it is used on those who say they can catch everything and especially those against encryption stuffs... every one of them has been caught out by that message when it has been pointed out what it really says... it is not the original one that i had but it is close enough...

[rummage rummage rummage]

ahhh... here it is... it is from 1996 but i forget what echo it was in... this is all i have but it is enough to prove the point ;)

==== Begin "HIDNMSG" ====

------------------------------------------------------------------------------ On: Wed 25 Dec 96 10:22
By: mark lewis
To: Dick Sieg
Re: Encoding MS Mail
St: Local ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

What I'd like to know is, Can I encrypt this mail so that it
is not readable to him. I'm aware of things like PGP and
such, but can they be used in this situation and how?

On our Northeast Ohio PC Club (NEOPC) BBS we do not allow any
messages containing encryption, Because we are responsible
for the content of traffic on our BBS. Your administrator
might have the same restrctions.

the proposal that any system will be able to keep encrypted
messages off it is false. it is too easy to hide messages in
traffic. any claim that review by a sysop will even slow it
down is extremely overoptimistic. it is a trivial task to
hide anything in a message. even if you read every message
in all the echos, you cannot find all the hidden ones.
i guarantee that those that claim to remove encrypted messages
off their message base will be those most likely to have them
posted on their machine unknowingly. how many people can even
try reading all messages on their systems? not many...
i can reassure you that even those who don't have a life, it
is impossible you can review every permutation of a message.
having stated that you will review your message base for
all the hidden meanings only makes you more liable for your
messages.

)\/(ark
==== End "HIDNMSG" ====

looks pretty inoccuous, doesn't it? fits right in with the discussion at hand... the censors and monitors let it pass without fail... now read the second column of unquoted text going down... now tell me what you think ;)

PS: it is easier to read with a mono-spaced font...

)\/(ark

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On Feb 06, 2017 02:58pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are at EK>>>> an all time low.

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

we used to get a lot more than that... kept two lines tied up for most
of the day... our human BBS callers had dropped to basically zero
before we had a chance to get the BBS available over telnet... we kept
the two lines going for FTN mailer calls for a while... we actually had three numbers with the third being "remote call forwarded" to the
second one... when the telco started charging us for outbound services
on the "remote call forwarded" number, we dropped it and the second
line while filing a huge protest... "remote call forward" means that there's no line and no physical phone to be used... there was no way
for us to make any outbound calls on that number... it only existed in
the telco computer and was explicitly call forwarded to the second number... when they started charging us for those services that we absolutely could not make use of (eg: long distance), the cost went
from $4US a month to at least $25US or more a month... yeah, thanks but no...

Back in the peak of dial up days Doc's had 4 dial up lines and averaged 100+ calls daily.

When the Internet came rolling in and dial up bbs's began dropping like flies, our calls went way down. I remember dropping to a single line son afterward as we were down to virtually no calls. Old Net 3603 lost the majority of it's nodes.

I had upgraded my Wildcat software to V5 with the internet connect pack. Using a dual channel isdn line and line camping on msn network we went internet. Callers could dial in with our GUI the Wildcat navigator and surf the web. We also offered Telnet outbound to callers. But that didn't last long as calls started dropping again.

So one Friday night over a few cold beers i decided to go totally internet. Hooked up with a dynamic dns service and spammed the whole backbone with an internet bbs ad. Moderators were throwing a fit but callers from worldwide started flooding our 10 nodes via telnet downloading qwk packets, and using
our web interface. It made the Fidonews. http://www.was-ist-fido.de/doks/fnews/fido1733.txt

Probably a sign of the times. But considering the lack of web
privacy (Facebook selling dossiers of members, etc) the bbs might
start making a comeback.

doubtful... any system that wants real ID information is subject to
suspicion... many BBSes demand/want such information to cover the
personal liability aspect of being responsible for what their posters ML>>> write... the only saving grace for providers /might/ be LLC or
similar incorporation... especially if they post that old school
thing about following some law and that communications may be
monitored which makes the operator liable in the first place...

Actually system operators can not be held liable for what their users

post.

they absolutely can be if they post public notice that all comms and messages are monitored... that means that they read each and every
message posted on their system and take action on things that are
against the law... if they miss something, which is very easy to do,
then they are absolutely responsible specifically because they do
monitor and they publicly state such... i have a special example
message around here that proves exactly that point, too... normally it
is used on those who say they can catch everything and especially those against encryption stuffs... every one of them has been caught out by
that message when it has been pointed out what it really says... it is
not the original one that i had but it is close enough...

------ On: Wed 25 Dec 96 10:22
By: mark lewis
To: Dick Sieg
Re: Encoding MS Mail
St: Local

What I'd like to know is, Can I encrypt this mail so that it
is not readable to him. I'm aware of things like PGP and
such, but can they be used in this situation and how?

On our Northeast Ohio PC Club (NEOPC) BBS we do not allow any
messages containing encryption, Because we are responsible
for the content of traffic on our BBS. Your administrator
might have the same restrctions.

the proposal that any system will be able to keep encrypted
messages off it is false. it is too easy to hide messages in
traffic. any claim that review by a sysop will even slow it
down is extremely overoptimistic. it is a trivial task to
hide anything in a message. even if you read every message
in all the echos, you cannot find all the hidden ones.
i guarantee that those that claim to remove encrypted messages
off their message base will be those most likely to have them
posted on their machine unknowingly. how many people can even
try reading all messages on their systems? not many...
i can reassure you that even those who don't have a life, it
is impossible you can review every permutation of a message.
having stated that you will review your message base for
all the hidden meanings only makes you more liable for your
messages.

==== End "HIDNMSG" ====

looks pretty inoccuous, doesn't it? fits right in with the discussion at hand... the censors and monitors let it pass without fail... now read
the second column of unquoted text going down... now tell me what you
think ;)

I believe that covers email. We support email but do not offer it because the software (wcsmtp.exe)is old and outdated.

We also do not offer Netmail access because Platinum Express does not support it via http or telnet. Netmail will work via Santronics SX qwk mail door but nobody used it so it was disabled.

That leaves Echomail which is public. Email privacy laws do not apply to Fidonet Echomail. Some attorney could possibly challenge it, but since
echomail was here before email it should be grand fathered in. Plus SysOps don't have deep pockets.. :)

As far as site operators (webmasters sysops or domain owners)being liable for comments or articles posted by their users, that will not fly either.

http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/immunity-online-publishers-under-communication s-decency-act
Most courts have held that through these provisions, Congress granted interactive services of all types, including blogs, forums, and listservs, immunity from tort liability so long as the information is provided by a third party.

Don't Shoot.. I'm only the messenger!!
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* Origin: Fido Since 1991 BBS.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:123/140)

On 2017 Feb 07 09:55:00, you wrote to me:

So one Friday night over a few cold beers i decided to go totally internet. Hooked up with a dynamic dns service and spammed the whole backbone with an internet bbs ad. Moderators were throwing a fit but callers from worldwide started flooding our 10 nodes via telnet downloading qwk packets, and using our web interface. It made the Fidonews. http://www.was-ist-fido.de/doks/fnews/fido1733.txt

like you did today in some 200+ areas? :( :( :(

------ On: Wed 25 Dec 96 10:22
By: mark lewis
To: Dick Sieg
Re: Encoding MS Mail
St: Local

What I'd like to know is, Can I encrypt this mail so that it
is not readable to him. I'm aware of things like PGP and
such, but can they be used in this situation and how?

On our Northeast Ohio PC Club (NEOPC) BBS we do not allow any
messages containing encryption, Because we are responsible
for the content of traffic on our BBS. Your administrator
might have the same restrctions.

the proposal that any system will be able to keep encrypted
messages off it is false. it is too easy to hide messages in
traffic. any claim that review by a sysop will even slow it
down is extremely overoptimistic. it is a trivial task to
hide anything in a message. even if you read every message
in all the echos, you cannot find all the hidden ones.
i guarantee that those that claim to remove encrypted messages
off their message base will be those most likely to have them
posted on their machine unknowingly. how many people can even
try reading all messages on their systems? not many...
i can reassure you that even those who don't have a life, it
is impossible you can review every permutation of a message.
having stated that you will review your message base for
all the hidden meanings only makes you more liable for your
messages.

==== End "HIDNMSG" ====

looks pretty inoccuous, doesn't it? fits right in with the discussion
at hand... the censors and monitors let it pass without fail... now
read the second column of unquoted text going down... now tell me what
you think ;)

I believe that covers email. We support email but do not offer it because the software (wcsmtp.exe)is old and outdated.

no... i'm talking about the one notice that so many boards put up as one of their login screens... this was before email was so prolific... i've got a copy
here that i swiped from another system before they recognized what i've been saying... this was back in the '80s and '90s when congress was trying to enact laws to make BBS operators more responsible for their users' posts...

i gotta ask, too, since you didn't mention it, did you see the ""real message""
hidden inside the above supposedly on-topic reply???

)\/(ark

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Quoting Ed Koon to Mark Lewis on 02-06-17 07:56 <=-

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Perhaps you weren't seeing the calls that came in later in the day... a
number of the callers are night owls.... I'm usually getting on after
10pm, and I'm often not the last one on.... I call daily (unless out of
town or ill), and there rarely have been as few as 2-3 for the whole
day.... usually more like 10 and above still...

ttyl neb

... Do something unusual today. Accomplish work on the computer.

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On Feb 07, 2017 09:37pm, NANCY BACKUS wrote to ED KOON:

Quoting Ed Koon to Mark Lewis on 02-06-17 07:56 <=-

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Perhaps you weren't seeing the calls that came in later in the day... a number of the callers are night owls.... I'm usually getting on after
10pm, and I'm often not the last one on.... I call daily (unless out of town or ill), and there rarely have been as few as 2-3 for the whole day.... usually more like 10 and above still...

I run a program that keeps the caller stats :)

Don't Shoot.. I'm only the messenger!!
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* Origin: Fido Since 1991 BBS.DOCSPLACE.ORG (1:123/140)

On Feb 07, 2017 09:00pm, MARK LEWIS wrote to ED KOON:

So one Friday night over a few cold beers i decided to go totally
internet. Hooked up with a dynamic dns service and spammed the whole
backbone with an internet bbs ad. Moderators were throwing a fit but
callers from worldwide started flooding our 10 nodes via telnet
downloading qwk packets, and using our web interface. It made the
Fidonews. http://www.was-ist-fido.de/doks/fnews/fido1733.txt

like you did today in some 200+ areas? :( :( :(

Twice in 16 years is not bad. But it proved there's not many callers left, jut a bunch of sysops / moderators hanging on to yesterday.

Gave Y'all something to complain about anyway.. :)

------ On: Wed 25 Dec 96 10:22
By: mark lewis
To: Dick Sieg
Re: Encoding MS Mail
St: Local

Snip..

all the hidden meanings only makes you more liable for your
messages.

i gotta ask, too, since you didn't mention it, did you see the ""real message"" hidden inside the above supposedly on-topic reply???

You're living in yesterday land.. What happened in 1996 is no longer valid in todays world. The courts have ruled a Webmaster / SysOp can not be held liable for something a member or guest posts.

Mark, I'm aware that you are a very knowledgeable person, and do respect your knowledge and opinion. But you are a big fish in a small pond. Maybe why your so active in Fidonet, holding on to yesterday..

Guess it's time for me to go back to the internet. It's been entertaining.. :)

Don't Shoot.. I'm only the messenger!!
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Re: RE: Just Checking In
By: ED KOON to MARK LEWIS on Mon Feb 06 2017 07:56 am

Just looking around some of our active conferences. BBS calls are
at an all time low.

where have you been for the last 20 years??

On the Internet.. :)

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Ed, I run 7-12 a day here but only 2 are message related callers. The rest are BRE league related and frankly, just as fun.

xxcarol
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On 08 Feb 17 08:34:00 ED KOON wrote...

like you did today in some 200+ areas? :( :( :(

Twice in 16 years is not bad. But it proved there's not many callers
left, jut a bunch of sysops / moderators hanging on to yesterday.

Gave Y'all something to complain about anyway.. :)

To which Drew Klenotic replies...

Actually... I've had 3 new users this week and have had a bit of activity
the past few weeks. It's died down a bit but it fluctuates. The things
that changed?

1) I turned off a lot of my echos (well, I moved them into a hidden area
for now so I can still monitor which may be active). I added more "local
only" areas. This was in direct response to feedback from my users and
similar sentiments from users on the more "classic" (non-PC) BBSs.

2) Call and support other BBS's and their SysOps. I'll participate in
the conversations on these local BBS's. Eventually, on topics about
BBSing, I mention "my BBS". People ask "What BBS do you run?". New
User.

3) The networked areas I did keep are keeping in the theme of the BBS...
at least partially. Part of that is that the few IBM BBS's I do call?
Pretty much all the same lists of the same echos from Fidonet and the
same Othernets. Lists really too big to navigate.

4) Advertising a BBS on a BBS seems counter intuitive. Try other
avenues. If only there were sites on the internet where people talk
about vintage computing and BBSing and may have no clue there are still
some around! And how easy it might be to reach them through SyncTerm.

It might not work for you. It might. There is a Commodore 64 BBS that I
call that sometimes has more new (local only) messages a day posted by
users than I get in my Fido feed for the echos I subscribe to.

*shrugs*

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On 08 Feb 17 21:30:32 Carol Shenkenberger wrote...

Ed, I run 7-12 a day here but only 2 are message related callers.
The rest are BRE league related and frankly, just as fun.

xxcarol --- SBBSecho 2.12-Win32 * Origin: Shenk's Express, shenks.synchro.net (1:275/100)

To which Drew Klenotic replies...

Then again, some of us were never all that big, and a handful of callers
a day is better than weeks (or longer) without getting any.

And I agree, users who just come and play games are more than welcome. I
spent a lot more time trying to get my games running than I did on
message areas (for an old Atari ST BBS that none of the games were
written for, that was no small task).

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Drew wrote --

There is a Commodore 64 BBS that I call that sometimes has more new (local

only) messages a day posted by users than I get in my Fido feed for the echos I
subscribe to.

There are still Commie users? Who would have thunk.
Glad to have you checking in.
I seem to recall in the far recesses of my pea brain you were here before. If so, WB. If not, glad to have ya.
Joe


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Quoting Ed Koon to Nancy Backus on 02-08-17 08:22 <=-

On Feb 07, 2017 09:37pm, NANCY BACKUS wrote to ED KOON:

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Perhaps you weren't seeing the calls that came in later in the day... a
number of the callers are night owls.... I'm usually getting on after
10pm, and I'm often not the last one on.... I call daily (unless out of
town or ill), and there rarely have been as few as 2-3 for the whole
day.... usually more like 10 and above still...

I run a program that keeps the caller stats :)

What can I say... when I look at Today's Callers and Yesterday's Callers bulletins, I see more than just that 2-3 almost every day.... At worst,
I've been the 4th or 5th caller that day... <G> BTW, thanks for
returning those bulletins to the telnet side of things... :) I do enjoy them... :)

ttyl neb

... Move along, folks...nothing to see...just an off-topic message.

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On 11 Feb 17 06:00:06 joe mackey wrote...

Drew wrote --

There is a Commodore 64 BBS that I call that sometimes has more new (local

only) messages a day posted by users than I get in my Fido feed for
the echos I subscribe to.

There are still Commie users? Who would have thunk. Glad to
have you checking in. I seem to recall in the far recesses of my
pea brain you were here before. If so, WB. If not, glad to have ya.
Joe

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To which Drew Klenotic replies...

Actually, there are a lot of Commodore BBS's. They just aren't on Fido. Though Particles is working on it so I may not be the most retro BBS on
FidoNet anymore. ;).

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much lately. But
thats only because my memory is failing me in my advanced age, so a
Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

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On Feb 12, 2017 07:49pm, NANCY BACKUS wrote to ED KOON:

We used to get 10-15 calls daily. This year it's dropped to 2-3.

Perhaps you weren't seeing the calls that came in later in the day... NB>>> a number of the callers are night owls.... I'm usually getting on after NB>>> 10pm, and I'm often not the last one on.... I call daily (unless out NB>>> of town or ill), and there rarely have been as few as 2-3 for the whole NB>>> day.... usually more like 10 and above still...

I run a program that keeps the caller stats :)

What can I say... when I look at Today's Callers and Yesterday's Callers bulletins, I see more than just that 2-3 almost every day.... At worst, I've been the 4th or 5th caller that day... <G> BTW, thanks for
returning those bulletins to the telnet side of things... :) I do enjoy them... :)

I put the html screens on the member (html non public) side of the bbs so they will not get indexed by search.

One of my projects today is to remove / add / renumber old telnet side buletins. Many are obsolete or missing.

Actually our calls and new members have increased since the repopulation effort.. No it will not be attempted again! :)

... Message Online or QWK With Our Web Interface!
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Drew wrote --

Actually, there are a lot of Commodore BBS's. They just aren't on Fido.

I didn't realise there were even Commies still operating. What with parts no
longer available, etc.
I rashly gave mine away when I got a pc. There are times I have regretted that. I had a lot of stuff on 5" floppies that I wrote (text, not codes or anything) that have been lost to the ages. Well, to me anyway.
I still have a 1541 disk drive somewhere and would be willing to give it to anyone who asks provided they check the floppies I'll send along and let me know what are on them. Then print out the ones I request.

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much lately. But thats only because my memory is failing me in my advanced age, so a Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

I like the tagline, "My memory is so good I remember stuff that never happened". :)
Joe


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Quoting Drew Klenotic to Joe Mackey on 02-12-17 13:49 <=-

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much lately.
But thats only because my memory is failing me in my advanced age, so a Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

Don't look at it that way... look at it as a place where all our
memories are fading to some extent, and we can help each other regain
some of them... <G>

ttyl neb

... You have to ask children and birds how cherries and strawberries taste

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Quoting Ed Koon to Nancy Backus on 02-13-17 11:45 <=-

What can I say... when I look at Today's Callers and Yesterday's
Callers bulletins, I see more than just that 2-3 almost every
day.... At worst, I've been the 4th or 5th caller that day... <G>
BTW, thanks for returning those bulletins to the telnet side of
things... :) I do enjoy them... :)

I put the html screens on the member (html non public) side of the bbs
so they will not get indexed by search.

That's a good solution... :)

One of my projects today is to remove / add / renumber old telnet side buletins. Many are obsolete or missing.

I noticed that you had indeed done so... But last night, the menu
command line told me that [B] wasn't a valid command... was that a
fluke, or did you unhook them entirely....?

Actually our calls and new members have increased since the
repopulation effort.. No it will not be attempted again! :)

So I noticed... :)

ttyl neb

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02-17-17 07:06 joe mackey wrote to Drew Klenotic about Just Checking In
Howdy! Joe,

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Drew wrote --

Actually, there are a lot of Commodore BBS's. They just aren't on Fido.

I didn't realise there were even Commies still operating. What with parts no longer available, etc.
I rashly gave mine away when I got a pc. There are times I have regretted that. I had a lot of stuff on 5" floppies that I wrote
(text, not codes or anything) that have been lost to the ages. Well,
to me anyway.
I still have a 1541 disk drive somewhere and would be willing to give
it to anyone who asks provided they check the floppies I'll send along
and let me know what are on them. Then print out the ones I request.

Whenever I visit my brother again, I could bring my C=64 with me and try to help You.

What am I doing? Buttering up the Moderator??????????????? Nah!

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On 17 Feb 17 07:06:51 joe mackey wrote...

Drew wrote --

Actually, there are a lot of Commodore BBS's. They just aren't
on Fido.

I didn't realise there were even Commies still operating. What
with parts no longer available, etc. I rashly gave mine away when I
got a pc. There are times I have regretted that. I had a lot of
stuff on 5" floppies that I wrote (text, not codes or anything) that
have been lost to the ages. Well, to me anyway. I still have a
1541 disk drive somewhere and would be willing to give it to anyone
who asks provided they check the floppies I'll send along and let me
know what are on them. Then print out the ones I request.

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much
lately. But thats only because my memory is failing me in my
advanced age, so a Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

I like the tagline, "My memory is so good I remember stuff that
never happened". :) Joe

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To which Drew Klenotic replies...

There is a huge retro scene... I run my BBS on an Atari Mega 4 STE. I
also just set up a Carina II BBS on one of my 800XLs (actually the same
one I used to call BBSs as a kid).

I have a huge collection of Ataris, a couple Apples (A ][e and a //c)
along with a Timex Sinclair 1500...

And next weekend I'll be adding my first Commodore 64 to the collection.

So if you're serious about the disk drive offer, I'd love to take you up
on it and I'd love my first challenge to be figuring out how to image the
disks for you so you can use them on a PC emulator. (If it's easier, you
can just drop in on the BBS or if you prefer you can email me at sysop@sfhqbbs.org)

I love my retros. I'd never even consider running a PC based BBS.

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On 17 Feb 17 15:46:00 NANCY BACKUS wrote...

Quoting Drew Klenotic to Joe Mackey on 02-12-17 13:49 <=-

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much
lately. But thats only because my memory is failing me in my
advanced age, so a Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

Don't look at it that way... look at it as a place where all our
memories are fading to some extent, and we can help each other regain
some of them... <G>

ttyl neb

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taste

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To which Drew Klenotic replies...

Cool.... I have a list of things I forgot where I put them..... Everyone
gather around!

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02-18-17 19:27 Drew Klenotic wrote to joe mackey about Just Checking In
Howdy! Drew and Joe,

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On 17 Feb 17 07:06:51 joe mackey wrote...

Drew wrote --

Actually, there are a lot of Commodore BBS's. They just aren't
on Fido.

I have found some Commodore web sites but hadn't noticed there were BBS's
also.
If they are on the internet would You give me some URLs/Links so I could
have a look-see at them? Thanks!

I didn't realise there were even Commies still operating. What
with parts no longer available, etc. I rashly gave mine away when I
got a pc. There are times I have regretted that. I had a lot of
stuff on 5" floppies that I wrote (text, not codes or anything) that
have been lost to the ages. Well, to me anyway. I still have a
1541 disk drive somewhere and would be willing to give it to anyone
who asks provided they check the floppies I'll send along and let me
know what are on them. Then print out the ones I request.

And I've been here from time to time... though not as much
lately. But thats only because my memory is failing me in my advanced age, so a Memories echo kind of mocks me. ;)

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To which Drew Klenotic replies...

There is a huge retro scene... I run my BBS on an Atari Mega 4 STE. I also just set up a Carina II BBS on one of my 800XLs (actually the same one I used to call BBSs as a kid).

I have a huge collection of Ataris, a couple Apples (A ][e and a //c) along with a Timex Sinclair 1500...

And next weekend I'll be adding my first Commodore 64 to the
collection.

So if you're serious about the disk drive offer, I'd love to take you
up on it and I'd love my first challenge to be figuring out how to
image the disks for you so you can use them on a PC emulator. (If it's easier, you can just drop in on the BBS or if you prefer you can email
me at sysop@sfhqbbs.org)

I wrote Joe a few days ago that the next time I visit my brother I could
bring my C=64.
I could bring a 1541 FDD with me on that trip if Joe sent the FDD to You.

I also would bring the 3-1/2" 1581 drive.
I have used the MSDOS64 program to write files from a 1541 on to a 720KB
PC Formated disk on the 1581, and then place those files on my pc-compatible computer using a USB 3-1/2" FDD to do that.

I will ask in the CBM Echo if anyone knows a better (easier) way since the MSDOS64 program was written a long time ago.

Hope I can help with getting Joes SEQ text files on to his PC.

Whatever Joe decides to do is O.K. with me as I currently don't have plans
to come to WV.
I live in Indiana, 220 miles from Huntington, not that far of a drive.
Drew, How far are You from Huntington, WV?

I had another idea, maybe we could run a Terminal Program on the C=64 and
get Joe's CBM Floppies on to his PC.
I have Bob's Term Pro for the C=64 that has a Terminal Mode.

I will play with seeing if I can do that here with my stuff.
That might do the trick. Stay tuned........



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