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    From joe mackey@1:154/30 to mark lewis on Wed Sep 5 07:24:09 2018
    Mark wrote --

    JM>> But at least I have a back up now.

    yeah, i'm sorry about that but there wasn't much i could do... i was
    away when a storm came through and knocked our power out

    Not to worry, things happen.

    we were offline for 9 extremely long and boring days days...

    I can only imagine how frustrating that must be.
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Sep 5 08:34:00 2018
    Joe,
    we were offline for 9 extremely long and boring days days...

    I can only imagine how frustrating that must be.

    I'll be offline for a few days, with a stormy weather pattern...the
    first part associated with the remnants of Tropical Storm Gordon. We're
    under a Flash Flood Watch into Friday, with a MODERATE risk of flooding,
    and a MARGINAL risk of severe weather (weak tornadoes).

    Daryl
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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 6 07:12:26 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    I'll be offline for a few days, with a stormy weather pattern

    Thanks for letting everyone know.
    See ya after the storms.
    Joe


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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 6 07:29:13 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    but no... someone doesn't know what "overnight delivery" means

    One summer I worked in receiving at Marshall University as a temp with Kelly Services.
    Among other things we handled over night delivery of small items, mostly documents of some sort.
    If a overnight package arrived after 9 a.m. it was put aside until the next day. IOW, ALL overnight was delayed a day while it sat on a shelf, regardless if we were going to that building that day or not.
    It made a mockery of overnight when someone was expecting something important. It just "interfered" with receivings schedule.
    Pretty typical of state workers who move at their own snails pace. ==sigh==

    the replacement modem until Monday morning... we were offline for 9
    extremelylong and boring days days...

    Sounds like the "customer service" (I use the term loosely) with AT&T.

    I have generally always had good customer service with companies I've dealt with.
    When I had a cable outage a couple of years ago I was able to use the cities free wifi to contact Comcast and they had someone here within 48 hours and it was on a Sunday. Used to be they worked 8-4, M-F, now its seven days a week and longer hours. I guess since so many people are two income families and people home at odd hours. (Turned out their modem had died and was replaced, with a far better one).
    Once upon a time I had a land line and had problems. I was told the repairman would be there after 3 p.m. one day and made arrangements to leave work early. I got a call from the office around 1 that day they were waiting on me. Had to leave early and hurry home for the guy to take 10 minutes to do something to a loose wire on the box on the wall outside.
    The only time I have a trouble is with deliveries. I have to make arrangements with a business on the street level to accept the package since my
    building is locked and they can't get in, unless they luck out when someone is leaving. But that is not the fault of the company or driver.
    In the past I tried contacting customer service and just got in an endless loop on line and the phone number provided was useless. No matter if a big brown truck or a red and white one. Now I just write on the missed delivery note to leave it at X.
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Sep 7 10:59:00 2018
    Joe,

    Thanks for letting everyone know.
    See ya after the storms.

    We didn't get much here, but Florence looks to pay the Carolinas and
    the Delmarva a visit next week. Not good news for you.

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Sep 7 11:02:00 2018
    Joe,

    Pretty typical of state workers who move at their own snails pace. ==sigh=

    I was in a State Revenue Office late one afternoon, and the employees
    were in LOW GEAR. But, when 4:30pm arrived, and the door was locked, it
    was like you flipped a switch!! They were now in OVERDRIVE, as they had
    to finish taking care of everyone that was already in line, but on their
    own time!!

    I have generally always had good customer service with companies I've deal
    with.

    You're one of the lucky ones.

    The only time I have a trouble is with deliveries. I have to make
    arrangements with a business on the street level to accept the package since JM>building is locked and they can't get in, unless they luck out when someone JM>leaving. But that is not the fault of the company or driver.

    Nowadays, folks are following the delivery trucks around, and stealing
    stuff as soon as it's dropped off!!

    I may have noted this before, but one angry customer decided to get
    revenge. He got an old box, and filled it with USED kitty litter, and
    dirty diapers :P

    He wrapped it up, and sealed the box nicely, and set it out on the
    front porch. Apparently, it wasn't an hour later, and it was gone!!

    The perpetrators got exactly what they deserved, IMO.

    Daryl

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Mon Sep 10 05:58:57 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    We didn't get much here, but Florence looks to pay the Carolinas and the Delmarva a visit next week. Not good news for you.

    We had about three inches of rain from Gordon this weekend, starting late Saturday night and into today. Came down really good at times.
    And thanks to Gordon the landlord is gonna have to do some more roof repairs while I clean up fallen soggy ceiling tiles...
    Joe


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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Mon Sep 10 06:13:06 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    Pretty typical of state workers who move at their own snails pace.
    ==sigh=

    I was in a State Revenue Office late one afternoon, and the employees were in LOW GEAR. But, when 4:30pm arrived, and the door was locked, it was like you flipped a switch!! They were now in OVERDRIVE, as they had
    to finish taking care of everyone that was already in line, but on their own time!!

    When I temped at Sears in the mid '90s management called the worked "Dragon Flies". When they were working they were dragging along but come break/lunch, quitting time they were flying. :)
    It's the same with Marshall with the state employees there. They have only two speeds: slow and slower.

    The only time I have a trouble is with deliveries.

    Nowadays, folks are following the delivery trucks around, and stealing stuff as soon as it's dropped off!!

    I've heard about that.
    A neighbour ordered something that was supposed to be signed for but the delivery guy just left it at his door. (He worked midnight's so might not have
    heard the knock).
    We had problems when that landlord rented to just anyone with cash in hand. (A lot of evictions when they couldn't come up with the following month's rent,
    or just didn't pay).
    Anyway, someone saw it and walked off with it. (The seller replaced it at no cost).
    The current landlord has security cameras in all public areas, requires background checks (good thing I was grandfathered in <g>) and so forth. Don't have those problems now. Plus the outer doors are locked, etc. (Used to have keys but some tenants made copies for their friends. Now everyone is issued a swipe card).

    I may have noted this before, but one angry customer decided to get revenge. He got an old box, and filled it with USED kitty litter, and dirty diapers :P

    I have heard of people doing similar things with trash, leaving it wrapped in
    boxes and in store bags in unlocked cars. :)
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Sep 11 11:23:00 2018
    Joe,

    We had about three inches of rain from Gordon this weekend, starting late
    Saturday night and into today. Came down really good at times.

    Last Saturday, we got intense thunderstorms...4 inches of rain in
    under an hour, with obvious Flash Flood Warnings. But that pales in
    comparison to what folks will get with Florence...some models are saying
    close to 3 feet of rain by the time all is said and done.

    And thanks to Gordon the landlord is gonna have to do some more roof repai
    while I clean up fallen soggy ceiling tiles...

    So much for a cushy job. <g,d,r>

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Tue Sep 11 11:26:00 2018
    Joe,

    When I temped at Sears in the mid '90s management called the worked "Drago
    Flies". When they were working they were dragging along but come break/lunc JM>quitting time they were flying. :)

    Makes sense to me. Or like the conversation a father had with his son,
    when asked about a certain insect. The replied "That's a dragonfly,
    son"...to which his son asked "What's he draggin'??". <G>

    It's the same with Marshall with the state employees there. They have onl
    two speeds: slow and slower.

    Reminds me of the old geezer that Tim Conway played on The Carol
    Burnett Show. Sadly, I heard where he has severe dementia right now, and
    is not doing well.

    The current landlord has security cameras in all public areas, requires
    background checks (good thing I was grandfathered in <g>) and so forth. Don JM>have those problems now. Plus the outer doors are locked, etc. (Used to ha JM>keys but some tenants made copies for their friends. Now everyone is issued JM>swipe card).

    One can't be too careful nowadays.

    I have heard of people doing similar things with trash, leaving it wrapped
    boxes and in store bags in unlocked cars. :)

    Not a bad idea...although my trash is scattered throughout the vehicle interior. It may look messy, but for a car that will be 20 come January,
    it still runs.

    Daryl

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 12 07:10:47 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    We had about three inches of rain from Gordon this weekend,

    Last Saturday, we got intense thunderstorms...4 inches of rain in
    under an hour, with obvious Flash Flood Warnings.

    A lot of places around me got nearly a foot of rain. We just lucked out.
    But creeks, streams and rivers are up. The Ohio is near flood stage.
    Some minor flooding areas, that always get flooded.
    One thing I could never understand are people continuing to live on known flood plains/prone areas. "Well, grandpa built this house" they will say. I would think if grandpa had much sense he would have built a little higher. :)

    what folks will get with Florence

    We are expected to get some of that as well.
    No idea how much, but another good soaking is predicted.
    But the weather guys are not always accurate and that good soaking could just
    as easily be bright sunny weather.

    And thanks to Gordon the landlord is gonna have to do some more
    roof repair while I clean up fallen soggy ceiling tiles...

    So much for a cushy job. <g,d,r>

    I've lived in this apartment over 39 years (celebrated my 39th anniversary in
    July) and from 1979 to the early '90s never a drop inside.
    That then landlord (I'm on my fourth one) got the bright idea to cover the tar roof with some sort of rubber strips, several feet wide. Almost from the start water would pool up in seams and travel a long way till it dropped into apartments.
    I have drips, but a neighbour had his complete living room ceiling fall in. :(
    The landlord patched the roof and until a few rains ago things were ok.
    But when we had lots of problems I knew exactly where to place the bowls so if not home and a big rain expected I set them out before I left for work. :)
    Joe


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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Wed Sep 12 07:17:46 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    Plus the outer doors are locked, etc. (Used to have keys but some tenants made copies for their friends. Now everyone is issued swipe card).

    One can't be too careful nowadays.

    While I live downtown there were few problems.
    There was a time or two in the '90s when leaving for work on winter mornings there would be some homeless guy sleeping in the hall, generally out of the way. When day came they disappeared. And of the two I can recall over several
    years it was never the same one twice.
    They never bothered anyone.
    We have never had any really serious issues. I was burgled in the early '80s, a couple of ex's caused some trouble with a tenant, but on the whole its peaceful and safe.
    Other areas of town not so much.
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Sep 12 18:22:00 2018
    Joe,

    One thing I could never understand are people continuing to live on known
    flood plains/prone areas. "Well, grandpa built this house" they will say. JM>would think if grandpa had much sense he would have built a little higher.

    If you see an Ark being built, that's a hint. <G>

    But the weather guys are not always accurate and that good soaking could j
    as easily be bright sunny weather.

    She has fooled forecasters several times, and she may slide right down
    the coast.

    I have drips, but a neighbour had his complete living room ceiling fall in
    :(

    And, probably some of the residents are drips as well. :P

    The landlord patched the roof and until a few rains ago things were ok.

    Oh, boy.

    I keep hearing things about a bad winter...we'll know for sure in
    about 3 months.

    Daryl

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  • From joe mackey@1:154/30 to Daryl Stout on Thu Sep 13 07:06:11 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    I keep hearing things about a bad winter...we'll know for sure in
    about 3 months.

    Yep.
    I've heard the same things.
    A woman who's dispatcher for the police department would always fuss if a mild winter we needed a good long freeze to kill the bugs. I always told her the bird would eat the bugs.
    Many was the time this last winter when it was so bitterly cold I thought "I hope Bev's happy now!"
    I spoke to her a few months ago and told her this and she just laughed. :)
    Joe


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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Sep 14 18:04:00 2018
    Joe,

    A woman who's dispatcher for the police department would always fuss if a
    mild winter we needed a good long freeze to kill the bugs. I always told he JM>the bird would eat the bugs.

    A lot of the birds and wildlife have already flown south...either for
    the wildfires up north (especially in Canada), and/or they know
    something in the weather that we don't!!

    Many was the time this last winter when it was so bitterly cold I thought
    hope Bev's happy now!"
    I spoke to her a few months ago and told her this and she just laughed. :

    I say the same thing about these "storm chasers" who "want to get that tornado video, or die trying". I (and so many others) do NOT want
    severe weather...just ask the folks in the Carolinas getting slammed by Florence right now.

    When they had "The Great Oklahoma Tornado Drought" in 1994...EXCEPT
    for the severe weather researchers and storm chasers, NO ONE ELSE...in
    either Dixie Alley or Tornado Alley (Arkansas is in both) WAS
    COMPLAINING about the lack of tornadoes.

    To me, for those (like myself) who don't want severe weather...if they
    end up suffering property damage...or injury or death to themselves,
    their families, friends, and loved ones...I will feel sorry for them.

    On the other hand, for those "wanting severe weather so bad", if they
    suffer the same fate, I'll say "You got what you wished for...got more
    than you bargained for, and I hope you're happy now!!". If they still
    want severe weather after that, to me, they have a death wish, and I
    hope it is granted quickly.

    Once you've experienced it first hand (having been under 2 tornadic
    funnel clouds, within a mile of 2 others, a 2 time lightning strike
    survivor, and nearly drowning in a flash flood), you do NOT want it. I
    can't even watch storm videos anymore, as they give me horrible
    nightmares. We can't stop severe weather, but I am reminded to "be
    careful what you ask for...you just might get it".

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Sep 17 06:17:28 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    On the other hand, for those "wanting severe weather so bad",

    Did you see the video from The Weather Channel recently of the weather
    guy "braving" the high winds and rain of Florence? He was barely able to
    stand up straight because of the wind, talking about how bad it was, etc
    yet behind him are a couple of guys just ambling along with no problems?
    Then he mentioned a shingle that had blown off a roof and to watch how
    the high wind blows it away and gives it a toss and lands a few feet from
    him. :)
    I remember one weather woman in a boat a couple of years ago talking
    about how bad the flooding was somewhere, deep water, etc then behind her
    are people wading through water only a few inches deep. :)
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Sep 17 08:39:00 2018
    Joe,

    Did you see the video from The Weather Channel recently of the weather
    guy "braving" the high winds and rain of Florence? He was barely able to JM>stand up straight because of the wind, talking about how bad it was, etc JM>yet behind him are a couple of guys just ambling along with no problems?

    I heard about that, but have been so busy with preparing for a move
    back to my Mom's place (I start moving stuff piece meal today), then her impending death and funeral...and possibly a double one if my brother
    kills himself from severe depression. So, the next 2 weeks will not be
    good for me. Add to that thunderstorm potential as autumn arrives, so
    after Tuesday, the BBS may be down until October.

    Back to Jim Cantore, though...

    1) There is a video on Facebook of a commercial they made, basically
    showing that "everyone panics when they see him"...ergo...

    A) A woman is walking her dog down the sidewalk. She spots him, picks up
    the dog, and starts running, with the dog yelping all the way.

    B) A guy is walking through the bread and milk aisle in the grocery
    store. He spots him, and instead of taking one loaf of bread and milk,
    he shoves a huge handful of both into the shopping cart.

    C) A lifeguard on the beach spots him, blows the whistle, and it's a
    panicked, mad rush, to get off the beach.

    2) A picture on Facebook that says "When you see this man (a picture of
    Jim Cantore), then it's time to worry".

    But, journalism has always subscribed to the philosophy of "if it
    bleeds, it leads". If there's no sensationalism, it's not worth
    airing...even if it's the truth...but that's a topic for another echo.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Sep 24 07:24:06 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    then her impending death and funeral...and possibly a double one if my
    brother kills himself from severe depression.

    Oh dear!

    Back to Jim Cantore, though...

    Yeah, I've seen either that or one very much like it. LOL.
    Our goofy weather predictors was full of doom and gloom over Florence:
    high winds, lots of rain, flooding, run for the hills, etc.
    We got dark clouds, no more rain than usual and that was spotty.
    Florence frizzled by the time it got here. :)
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Oct 17 21:32:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 10-15-18 07:08 <=-

    postman delivered the package or letter to the wrong house

    My building has multiple boxes at the entrance in the wall.
    (Picture an old movie set in NYC apartment building. Several rows and stacked. The mailman opens the top and the apartment slots drop down about six or so inches and the mail dropped in).

    Yup, I can picture that... I've seen similar setups in apartment
    buildings around here, although not quite that large... :)

    There was a mailman several years who just put mail in any slot. It wasn't uncommon find mail for someone else in ones box. (I remember
    one time not looking closely and opened someone else's mail by mistake.
    I resealed, wrote opened by mistake on the envelope and slipped it
    under their door. I wondered why a bill collector was after me. <g>)

    A red flag, to be sure... ;)

    People here take the mis-delivered mail to whomever, either in
    person or under their door.

    That makes sense, and neighborly.... :)

    The current landlord has security cameras in all public areas,
    requires background checks (good thing I was grandfathered in <g>)
    You'd probably still pass background checks... after all, you work in security.... <G>

    The company I work for only does local background checks for new
    hires. At times they would send someone to parking, with the
    police department doing a different check on different state/federal level.

    At least there was that as a further check... I'm a little surprised
    that your company didn't check farther, unless they weren't allowed
    to...

    One time at the start of the school year we had three new
    people show up. I was starting my training instructions when a LT
    from the PD walked in with a clip board and called people by name,
    looked over the paperwork and he asked for this one person to go with
    him. I thought nothing much about it, figuring they just needed more information or something. Sometimes there were questions.
    Anyway, the fella was gone a long time, I didn't want to proceed
    too far along and we all took a break.
    Standing around outside we saw the guy had been "cuffed and
    stuffed" and in the back of a police car that was leaving.
    I found out the fella had several outstanding warrants on him in
    another state!
    The last we heard he was a guest of the county before going back to wherever.

    Guess the company let a bad one slip in....

    No one could understand, either in parking or the police
    department, why someone like that would want work in security.

    To set up an inside job.....? ;)

    * Shortly after I retired I would help out here and there for
    either four hours or one day. I would just wait a while to pick up my cheque, sometimes a month later.
    One time I was expecting two small cheques for four hours each.
    In the binder cheques are kept at this one place (where I am
    working weekends now) were two cheques. I picked up both envelopes,
    not paying attention, it was some days after the last payday. At the
    bank I opened the envelopes and endorsed them but just before I got to
    the ATM I found one was for a lot more than I was expecting then that
    one was for another person! Yikes.

    So your second small check wasn't there...? Good thing you looked at
    them more carefully before submitting them to the ATM...!

    I called my captain, told him what I had done and returned the
    cheque where that person could pick it up. I was so glad I checked the amount and noticed a different name on it. Never did that before, or since. That guy had quit and moved out of town. A new cheque was
    cut and sent to him.

    Good thing you are honest, too... :) And good that it hasn't happened again.... :)

    ttyl neb

    ... Justify my text? I'm sorry but it has no excuse.

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Oct 18 07:15:18 2018
    Nancy wrote --

    People here take the mis-delivered mail to whomever, either in
    person or under their door.

    That makes sense, and neighborly.... :)

    This building is neighbourly and we look out for each other.
    There are times people will move in and out (in the front of the
    building, I live in the back) and not know they were ever there.
    We have four or five people (one a couple) who have lived here for
    years. That goes double for the second floor. I have little idea whose
    living down there and only meet them in passing as a rule.
    Often when one is going to be gone for a while they'll ask someone to
    keep an eye on their place.
    When someone moves in the longest resident will go and say hello, etc.
    I usually give them a day or so, unless I run into them. I know how embarrassing it is for a stranger to see an apartment in a move in mess.
    :)

    The company I work for only does local background checks for new
    hires. At times they would send someone to parking, with the
    police department doing a different check on different
    state/federal level.

    At least there was that as a further check

    My company has only the ability for local background checks.
    The owner is a LT in a nearby police department and I would think he
    would the same access as the cops here.

    one was for another person! Yikes.

    So your second small check wasn't there...? Good thing you looked at
    them more carefully before submitting them to the ATM...!

    There were two envelopes and I was expecting two cheques so in my
    haste I didn't pay attention to the names on the envelopes. I was a week
    off on the second second cheque. Pay usually runs a week behind.
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Oct 19 20:20:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 10-18-18 07:15 <=-

    People here take the mis-delivered mail to whomever, either in
    person or under their door.
    That makes sense, and neighborly.... :)

    This building is neighbourly and we look out for each other.

    That's the way things should be, IMO....

    There are times people will move in and out (in the front of the
    building, I live in the back) and not know they were ever there.

    If it happens soon enough, that's totally understandable... the house
    next to us is a duplex, and it's hard to keep track of people moving in
    or out of there, especially when they only stay a few months...

    We have four or five people (one a couple) who have lived here for
    years. That goes double for the second floor. I have little idea
    whose living down there and only meet them in passing as a rule.
    Often when one is going to be gone for a while they'll ask someone
    to keep an eye on their place.

    The ones on your floor you keep up with pretty much, then...? When you
    know your neighbors, it totally makes sense to watch out for them, and
    have them watch out for you, especially when you might be away for a
    while... My neighbor on the other side of me and I did that for years...
    If one of us was away, the other would take care of the mail and papers,
    water the plants, feed (and attention) the cats... :) She's no longer
    with us, and I've not been able to establish quite the same relationship
    with the people who've moved in since... We say hi, and all that, but
    not the same level of watching out for each other...

    When someone moves in the longest resident will go and say hello,
    etc. I usually give them a day or so, unless I run into them. I
    know how embarrassing it is for a stranger to see an apartment in a
    move in mess. :)

    True, if you run into them, you can welcome them without them having to
    open the door on the mess.... ;)

    The company I work for only does local background checks for new
    hires. At times they would send someone to parking, with the
    police department doing a different check on different
    state/federal level.
    At least there was that as a further check

    My company has only the ability for local background checks.
    The owner is a LT in a nearby police department and I would think he
    would have the same access as the cops here.

    You'd think he'd use that access to make sure he wasn't hiring
    crooks....

    one was for another person! Yikes.
    So your second small check wasn't there...? Good thing you looked at
    them more carefully before submitting them to the ATM...!

    There were two envelopes and I was expecting two cheques so in my
    haste I didn't pay attention to the names on the envelopes. I was a
    week off on the second second cheque. Pay usually runs a week behind.

    Ah.... So your second check hadn't been cut yet when you grabbed the
    checks.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Oct 20 07:21:20 2018
    Nancy wrote --

    If one of us was away, the other would take care of the mail and
    papers, water the plants, feed (and attention) the cats... :)

    Thirty five years ago or so I went to visit a cousin near Detroit.
    I asked a elderly neighbour if she would feed my cat, twice a day. I
    had all the food out so all she had to do was put fresh in the bowl, etc.
    When I got home after two or three days I found to my shock and horror
    that yes, she had fed Muffy, BUT, she hadn't emptied and cleaned the bowl
    each morning. The fresh half can in the morning and afternoon were
    dumped on top of the old. And the saucer hadn't been cleaned, but fresh
    milk poured on top of crusted old milk.
    I thought, Well, I hadn't said anything about cleaning the bowl and
    saucer. But I thought she would have enough sense to do that.
    Never asked her again.
    She and her hubby moved a few months later.
    Both are long gone by now I imagine.

    True, if you run into them, you can welcome them without them having to
    open the door on the mess.... ;)

    My place is like many older apartments in NYC, which has an air shaft dividing one building from the other. I joke its like living in the old
    lower East Side. I have three other apartments in the main shaft in the
    living room. Two across and one below. (When the windows are open one
    can hear a lot.)
    Someone moved in across from me and after a few weeks I finally went
    over to introduce myself. (When the curtains are open we can see into
    each others apartment. Unless warm out and windows open they are kept
    closed.
    This girl opened the door, I introduced myself and all. She said
    "That's nice" and shut the door on me. :)
    I figured she wasn't interested in her neighbours or thought I was some
    kind of nut, or I caught her off guard, she was busy doing something
    else, etc. To this day we have never spoken again. (Her loss I tell
    myself). :)

    Ah.... So your second check hadn't been cut yet when you grabbed the checks.... :)

    Nope, I was mistaken on when that pay period ended.
    The cheques are dropped off where I work so pick them up there.
    Even then I usually carry it around for a few days till I get to the
    bank.
    Joe
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Oct 22 17:46:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 10-20-18 07:21 <=-

    If one of us was away, the other would take care of the mail and
    papers, water the plants, feed (and attention) the cats... :)

    Thirty five years ago or so I went to visit a cousin near Detroit.
    I asked a elderly neighbour if she would feed my cat, twice a day.
    I had all the food out so all she had to do was put fresh in the bowl, etc. When I got home after two or three days I found to my shock and horror that yes, she had fed Muffy, BUT, she hadn't emptied and cleaned the bowl each morning. The fresh half can in the morning and afternoon were dumped on top of the old. And the saucer hadn't been cleaned, but fresh milk poured on top of crusted old milk.

    Good thing you were only gone for two or three days.... that could have
    been very nasty.... probably was nasty enough as it was....! I bet
    Muffy was VERY glad to see you come home... and gave you what-for for a
    few days as well... ;)

    I thought, Well, I hadn't said anything about cleaning the bowl and saucer. But I thought she would have enough sense to do that.

    One would have thought.... :)

    Never asked her again.
    She and her hubby moved a few months later.
    Both are long gone by now I imagine.

    I wouldn't have either... and it became a moot point with them moving
    away.... :)

    True, if you run into them, you can welcome them without them having to
    open the door on the mess.... ;)

    My place is like many older apartments in NYC, which has an air
    shaft dividing one building from the other. I joke its like living in
    the old lower East Side. I have three other apartments in the main
    shaft in the living room. Two across and one below. (When the windows are open one can hear a lot.)
    Someone moved in across from me and after a few weeks I finally went
    over to introduce myself. (When the curtains are open we can see into each others apartment. Unless warm out and windows open they are kept closed.
    This girl opened the door, I introduced myself and all. She said
    "That's nice" and shut the door on me. :)
    I figured she wasn't interested in her neighbours or thought I was
    some kind of nut, or I caught her off guard, she was busy doing
    something else, etc. To this day we have never spoken again. (Her
    loss I tell myself). :)

    Maybe she was embarrassed or something... or thought you were hitting on her.... It's a neighborly loss, actually... but stuff like that
    happens...

    Ah.... So your second check hadn't been cut yet when you grabbed the checks.... :)

    Nope, I was mistaken on when that pay period ended.
    The cheques are dropped off where I work so pick them up there.
    Even then I usually carry it around for a few days till I get to
    the bank.

    Wonder if the other guy showed up in the meantime, before you got it
    back to the office..... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Tue Oct 23 07:55:14 2018
    Nancy wrote --

    I bet Muffy was VERY glad to see you come home... and gave you
    what-for for a few days as well... ;)

    Let's just say she was not very happy. :)
    From then on if I went somewhere she went with me.
    She didn't care too much for traveling and let me know as well. Over
    and over and over the whole trip. :)

    Wonder if the other guy showed up in the meantime, before you got it
    back to the office..... :)

    He had quit and moved out of state and that was his final cheque, so
    he never knew anything. :)
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Oct 24 15:59:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 10-23-18 07:55 <=-

    I bet Muffy was VERY glad to see you come home... and gave you
    what-for for a few days as well... ;)

    Let's just say she was not very happy. :)
    From then on if I went somewhere she went with me.
    She didn't care too much for traveling and let me know as well.
    Over and over and over the whole trip. :)

    Did you keep reminding her that it was better than being left at home
    with some idiot trying to take care of her and making a mess of it...?

    Wonder if the other guy showed up in the meantime, before you got it
    back to the office..... :)

    He had quit and moved out of state and that was his final cheque,
    so he never knew anything. :)

    Ah, right... so they had to mail it to him anyway, I guess... :) If
    they'd done it already, you wouldn't have been confused and grabbed
    it.... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sat Oct 27 22:05:00 2018
    Joe,

    then her impending death and funeral...and possibly a double one if my JM>brother kills himself from severe depression.

    Oh dear!

    That's what I'm still afraid of. Over the last month, I've had to:

    1) Move back to my Mom's home from my apartment. A fellow ham radio
    operator and his 2 sons did it for $500. I still have a bunch of stuff
    in the garage, but haven't had a chance to unpack it.

    2) Make a ton of phone calls to cash in my Mom's life insurance
    policies, stocks, etc. In Arkansas (and possibly elsewhere) Medicaid
    "has to make you bankrupt" if you make to much to qualify for it. She
    basically gets too much money with her disability, her retirement, and
    her late husband's 2 pensions. I'm working with Arkansas Asset
    Protection Group, so I don't lose her house, her car, or my possessions.
    She is in a nursing home east of Little Rock in Lonoke, where it's a
    little cheaper. In Arkansas, the average month cost of a nursing home semi-private room is $5500...and $7500 for a private room...ridiculous.

    Unfortunately, because of poor documentation on a couple of large
    items (including a new roof for my Mom's home), we're getting penalized
    a large amount...but hopefully after all is done, my brother and I will
    still get some money. But, I'll have to pay the taxes (personal property
    and income for both state and federal) on my Mom, my brother, and
    myself.

    Basically, my Mom will be broke...I'll have my Mom's car, house, and
    my possessions, but no money (what I have will pay the taxes and bills),
    and my brother will get his. I had hoped to take a "reward trip" to
    Orlando for a big ham radio deal in early February...or even get a
    Generac Generator put in at her place...but I may not get to do either
    of them.

    Yeah, I've seen either that or one very much like it. LOL.

    I looked at the clip on YouTube again today, where in one nor'easter,
    he got 6 episodes of thundersnow in under an hour...he was in his
    glory!!

    Our goofy weather predictors was full of doom and gloom over Florence:
    high winds, lots of rain, flooding, run for the hills, etc.
    We got dark clouds, no more rain than usual and that was spotty.
    Florence frizzled by the time it got here. :)

    How did you fare with Michael??

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Oct 31 06:18:26 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    2) Make a ton of phone calls to cash in my Mom's life insurance
    policies, stocks, etc. In Arkansas (and possibly elsewhere) Medicaid
    "has to make you bankrupt" if you make to much to qualify for it.

    That's pretty much the case with Medicare nationwide. If one has
    anything it can't be over a few hundred dollars in value.
    Many people, instead of having someone in their will, give away a lot
    of stuff while still alive. And taxes are sometimes cheaper that way as
    well since the items are "gifts". Taxes on inherited items are higher,
    at least in WV where the politicians seem to spend all their time trying
    to find the last nickel and dime they can.

    She is in a nursing home

    Some times that's for the best, esp. for those who need long term care.
    A woman who works weekdays at my weekend place has been having a lot of trouble with her husband, who's has physical and mental health issues.
    They are both in their 80s and she can't handle him on her own. They have
    no nearby relatives so friends and neighbours check on him while she's at
    work. And there are mornings I get a call around 0600 something has
    happened and she can't make it to work and I have to fill in for her.

    semi-private room is $5500...and $7500 for a private room...ridiculous.

    My mother was in a home the last few years of her life. She was up and around, in a wheelchair, and kept the staff hopping. She believed her
    job in life was to make sure everyone else was always busy doing
    something. She referred to the aides as maids and would always say when
    she saw one "Maid, that cup needs to to back to the kitchen. Maid, that
    table needs cleaned off. Maid, that ash tray needs emptied" and so
    forth. :)
    She was across the river in Ohio and no idea how much it cost. Medicare/medicaid paid for it. I know they kept her medicare cheque and
    have her an allowance (maybe $20 a month) for odds and ends with my
    brother and I filling what wasn't covered. Little knick-knacks, etc. Everything else was covered (rooms, board, etc).

    Basically, my Mom will be broke...I'll have my Mom's car, house, and
    my possessions, but no money

    Same here.
    She gave her house to my brother 60+ years ago when he married. (Yes,
    they are still together!)
    She gave me her car, a '70 Chrysler Newport that nickel and dimed me to death. After she died I gave it to a friend, forgetting one of her boys
    was turning 16 who totaled it a few months later. That was the last car
    I had, in 1987.

    Florence frizzled by the time it got here. :)

    How did you fare with Michael??

    We got several inches of a slow rain. No there was no flooding, other
    than low lying areas that flood anyway.
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Nov 1 20:19:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Joe Mackey on 10-27-18 22:10 <=-

    then her impending death and funeral...and possibly a double one if
    my brother kills himself from severe depression.
    Oh dear!

    That's what I'm still afraid of. Over the last month, I've had to:

    1) Move back to my Mom's home from my apartment. A fellow ham radio operator and his 2 sons did it for $500. I still have a bunch of stuff
    in the garage, but haven't had a chance to unpack it.

    But at least it's accomplished now, and everything's there now...

    2) Make a ton of phone calls to cash in my Mom's life insurance
    policies, stocks, etc. In Arkansas (and possibly elsewhere) Medicaid
    "has to make you bankrupt" if you make to much to qualify for it. She basically gets too much money with her disability, her retirement, and
    her late husband's 2 pensions. I'm working with Arkansas Asset
    Protection Group, so I don't lose her house, her car, or my
    possessions.

    Good that you have some help there... hopefully they'll be able to help
    you keep the house, car.... and your own stuff.... that last shouldn't
    have to be used for her to get the Medicaid...

    She is in a nursing home east of Little Rock in Lonoke,
    where it's a little cheaper. In Arkansas, the average month cost of a nursing home semi-private room is $5500...and $7500 for a private room...ridiculous.

    Nursing facilities, and even living assist places just are outrageously expensive.... pretty much anywhere...

    Unfortunately, because of poor documentation on a couple of large
    items (including a new roof for my Mom's home), we're getting
    penalized a large amount...but hopefully after all is done, my brother
    and I will still get some money. But, I'll have to pay the taxes
    (personal property and income for both state and federal) on my Mom, my brother, and myself.

    I would have thought that her money could have been used to pay her
    taxes....

    Basically, my Mom will be broke...I'll have my Mom's car, house, and
    my possessions, but no money (what I have will pay the taxes and
    bills), and my brother will get his. I had hoped to take a "reward
    trip" to Orlando for a big ham radio deal in early February...or even
    get a Generac Generator put in at her place...but I may not get to do either of them.

    It's too bad that she has to go into the nursing home already... you
    might have been able to do some of that, had things not had to be dealt
    with so soon....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Nov 2 12:57:00 2018
    Nancy,

    But at least it's accomplished now, and everything's there now...

    I just need to get the time and energy to do it. But, I've come down
    with a bad head and chest cold, so any extra stuff has to wait for now.

    Good that you have some help there... hopefully they'll be able to help NB>you keep the house, car.... and your own stuff.... that last shouldn't NB>have to be used for her to get the Medicaid...

    With this, they can't touch the house, the car, the possessions, and
    the burial insurance.

    Nursing facilities, and even living assist places just are outrageously NB>expensive.... pretty much anywhere...

    But, it's a little cheaper in Lonoke County, east of Pulaski County
    (Little Rock).

    I would have thought that her money could have been used to pay her NB>taxes....

    Well, what I was to get will be used to pay the taxes...as my brother
    isn't going to do it. He doesn't want to "put his big boy pants on" and
    take financial responsibility. He can't even balance his own checkbook.
    If the taxes weren't bad enough, her car needs major work...so, I can't
    even afford going on "a final rewards trip for all my stress", let alone getting a Generac Generator.

    Not to be macabre, but if she dies before the year is out, we'll get
    some more money back than what we'll get next week.

    It's too bad that she has to go into the nursing home already... you NB>might have been able to do some of that, had things not had to be dealt NB>with so soon....

    Well, she's 92...the dementia is real bad, and the nurses said "it's
    amazing it took so long to take hold".

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Nov 3 17:01:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-02-18 13:02 <=-

    But at least it's accomplished now, and everything's there now...

    I just need to get the time and energy to do it. But, I've come down
    with a bad head and chest cold, so any extra stuff has to wait for
    now.

    Hope you are feeling better soon.... :)

    Good that you have some help there... hopefully they'll be able to help
    you keep the house, car.... and your own stuff.... that last shouldn't
    have to be used for her to get the Medicaid...

    With this, they can't touch the house, the car, the possessions, and
    the burial insurance.

    That's good... :)

    Nursing facilities, and even living assist places just are outrageously
    expensive.... pretty much anywhere...

    But, it's a little cheaper in Lonoke County, east of Pulaski County (Little Rock).

    Good that you were able to find that, then...

    I would have thought that her money could have been used to pay her
    taxes....

    Well, what I was to get will be used to pay the taxes...as my
    brother isn't going to do it. He doesn't want to "put his big boy pants on" and take financial responsibility. He can't even balance his own checkbook. If the taxes weren't bad enough, her car needs major
    work...so, I can't even afford going on "a final rewards trip for all
    my stress", let alone getting a Generac Generator.

    The money will go into fixing the car, too, then.... Is your brother
    younger or older than you...?

    It's too bad that she has to go into the nursing home already... you
    might have been able to do some of that, had things not had to be dealt
    with so soon....

    Well, she's 92...the dementia is real bad, and the nurses said "it's amazing it took so long to take hold".

    Did you see the earlier stages of it while you were helping to take care
    of her...? Or did it come on suddenly....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Nov 4 12:31:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Hope you are feeling better soon.... :)

    Not really. I feel like I'm in a tunnel...having slept much of this
    weekend already.

    Good that you were able to find that, then...

    It was the only one that would take her...she got too much money
    otherwise.

    The money will go into fixing the car, too, then.... Is your brother NB>younger or older than you...?

    21 months younger...but he can't even balance his checkbook. He even
    said "he wanted no part of this"...except for any money due him.

    Did you see the earlier stages of it while you were helping to take care NB>of her...? Or did it come on suddenly....

    It came on rather suddenly. Her doctor said he would've expected it in
    her 60's, not in her 90's.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Nov 8 21:33:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-04-18 12:37 <=-

    Hope you are feeling better soon.... :)

    Not really. I feel like I'm in a tunnel...having slept much of this weekend already.

    Did the rest help any....?

    Good that you were able to find that, then...

    It was the only one that would take her...she got too much money otherwise.

    But not enough money to be able to pay her own way at the facilities...

    The money will go into fixing the car, too, then.... Is your brother
    younger or older than you...?

    21 months younger...but he can't even balance his checkbook. He even
    said "he wanted no part of this"...except for any money due him.

    Well, his share would be half of what's left over after all your mom's
    bills are paid.... Is the car still in your mom's name....?

    Did you see the earlier stages of it while you were helping to take
    care of her...? Or did it come on suddenly....

    It came on rather suddenly. Her doctor said he would've expected it
    in her 60's, not in her 90's.

    Could it be a side effect from some medication she's taking....? Or
    maybe a medication that has stopped working....? Either of those might
    produce something resembling dementia.... and could have come on
    suddenly....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Nov 10 16:47:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Did the rest help any....?

    Not as much as I would've liked it to...it's taking a long time to
    throw this head and chest cold off. I'd like to be well before I go get
    my flu shot. But, at least, I haven't had to go to the doctor.

    But not enough money to be able to pay her own way at the facilities...

    Well, the way Medicaid is, with the "penalties" incurred, as when
    my Mom paid for stuff for my brother and I, we're "self pay" for nearly
    2 years...or until her money runs out. Her money, after cashing in her
    life insurance policies, stocks, etc., has to pay for all that...and the average monthly cost in an Arkansas nursing home for a semi-private room approaches $6000 -- add at least $2500 to that if you want a private
    room. She gets around $3500 a month with her disability, teacher
    retirement, and my late father's 2 pensions. ALL of that goes to the
    nursing home, and Medicaid picks up the balance of the cost, once she's approved for it.

    Plus, the house (and possesions inside) got deeded to me...with my
    brothers mobile home (and possessions inside) got deeded to him...she no
    longer has any assets, per se. There is a "small amount of money" in a
    trust fund, but we can't touch it until March...and even then, if they
    find more penalties, etc., my brother and I will get nothing, money
    wise, until after her death. But, I am NOT letting him get near that money...or, it'll be gone in a heartbeat. Now, if she dies before the
    end of the month or the year, we'll get more money...but the timing of
    her death is not my choice to make.

    He is furious that "the financial gravy train" has dried up, but we
    had no choice. My Mom had 3 credit cards...one was cancelled yesterday,
    and I'll have it paid off next month. A second one will be cancelled
    tomorrow (she has to give her verbal consent to the people), and I'll
    pay that off tomorrow (its balance was very small). However, the third
    one has a large balance, because of needed repairs on my car (which I
    needed when my Mom's car was in the shop for repairs). So, if I do get
    any money from "the trust" in March, I'll pay off the balance of that
    one, and close it. I basically will "disallow any further charges" on
    that last card. As Power Of Attorney, I have the right to do that, and
    he can't do anything about it.

    He basically was "charging stuff", but my Mom (and now I) have been
    paying for it. He may end up killing himself, and he is so angry at me
    right now, that there's no point in talking to him right now. I hope I
    can find a good deal on a bare bones cremation with no funeral for him.
    I pre-arranged a funeral and cremation for me, but in paying it out with
    burial insurance over 10 years, it was over $10,000.

    As noted before, he can't balance his checkbook...he said "he wanted
    nothing to do with this"...but "he wants his money". He can't seem to understand that with a credit card, you're just delaying paying for the purchase of said item. Plus, he'd go to a restaurant to "get away from
    looking at 4 walls"...but doing it every day, and running up a tab on
    beer and food, trying to drink away your problems and pain, won't work.
    One has to face and fight their battles themselves, but like so many
    people today, they don't want that responsibility.

    I personally have a debit card. If I can't purchase it right then, and
    have money for the rest of my bills, I don't do it. I used to have 2
    credit cards, and ended up in Chapter 13 Bankruptcy nearly 10 years ago.
    I'm not going down that road again. Sometimes, the checkout deals throw
    a fit, not being able to read the debit card. One time, the cashier at
    Wal-Mart asked "Don't you have cash??". I angrily told her "I am NOT
    carrying around $200 in cash to do grocery shopping with. So, you can
    take this cart, and put all of the stuff back on the shelf...and I'll
    tell folks never to shop here again...and do so as I go out the
    door"...as I stormed out of there. Truly, the late Sam Walton is turning
    over in his grave.

    Well, his share would be half of what's left over after all your mom's NB>bills are paid.... Is the car still in your mom's name....?

    Right now, her car is in her name and my name...but I likely will get
    that changed soon. There's no way she's going to come home...let alone
    drive again. She is extremely depressed (and lonely), and my brother is
    both depressed and angry.

    Even if I were to emd up with some money, it'd likely go to paying
    that last credit card off. But, with all my health issues...not to
    mention the Postal Service not "holding the mail" when one takes
    vacation (I've gotten burned on this more than once), and the threat of
    bedbugs at more and more cities, I've decided travel and vacations are
    now "more trouble than they're worth".

    Could it be a side effect from some medication she's taking....? Or NB>maybe a medication that has stopped working....? Either of those might NB>produce something resembling dementia.... and could have come on NB>suddenly....

    We've wondered about that...but medical science wasn't my field.
    Janice (my late wife) wanted to be a doctor...but in her words "calculus screwed me up". :P

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Nov 12 23:07:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-10-18 16:53 <=-

    Did the rest help any....?

    Not as much as I would've liked it to...it's taking a long time to
    throw this head and chest cold off. I'd like to be well before I go
    get my flu shot. But, at least, I haven't had to go to the doctor.

    That's good.... and yes, it's a good idea to be well before going for
    the flu shot... we just got ours a week or so ago at the pharmacy where
    we do our grocery shopping.... :)

    He is furious that "the financial gravy train" has dried up, but we
    had no choice. My Mom had 3 credit cards...one was cancelled
    yesterday, and I'll have it paid off next month. A second one will be cancelled tomorrow (she has to give her verbal consent to the people),
    and I'll pay that off tomorrow (its balance was very small). However,
    the third one has a large balance, because of needed repairs on my car (which I needed when my Mom's car was in the shop for repairs). So, if
    I do get any money from "the trust" in March, I'll pay off the balance
    of that one, and close it. I basically will "disallow any further
    charges" on that last card. As Power Of Attorney, I have the right to
    do that, and he can't do anything about it.

    Sounds like a wise thing to do... you don't need the balance to be any bigger....

    Could it be a side effect from some medication she's taking....?
    Or maybe a medication that has stopped working....? Either of those
    might produce something resembling dementia.... and could have come
    on suddenly....

    We've wondered about that...but medical science wasn't my field.
    Janice (my late wife) wanted to be a doctor...but in her words
    "calculus screwed me up". :P

    You could bring it up with your mom's doctor....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Nov 14 11:36:00 2018
    Nancy,

    That's good.... and yes, it's a good idea to be well before going for
    the flu shot... we just got ours a week or so ago at the pharmacy where NB>we do our grocery shopping.... :)

    A nurse from Arkansas Urology called this morning for a health and
    wellness checkup. I go to see the nurse practitioner the Monday after Thanksgiving...I may have "Low T", which can lead to other "male
    problems".

    Sounds like a wise thing to do... you don't need the balance to be any NB>bigger....

    Considering that I end up paying for it. If we get money from the
    "Miller Trust" in March (we'll get more if she dies before then...she is
    not well, sadly), I'm going to warn him that "once that money is gone,
    it's gone...and if you get arrested for writing a hot check, I'm going
    to let you rot in jail...because you wouldn't man up and take
    responsibility for your finances". He may be 21 months younger than me,
    but he doesn't have brain damage where he can't do math...I think he's
    just lazy...thinking he can buy stuff and have someone else pay for it.
    I told him "those days are over"...and he obviously wasn't happy.

    You could bring it up with your mom's doctor....

    I've mentioned it to the health care nurses at the nursing home.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Fri Nov 16 21:16:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-14-18 11:42 <=-

    That's good.... and yes, it's a good idea to be well before going
    for the flu shot... we just got ours a week or so ago at the
    pharmacy where we do our grocery shopping.... :)

    A nurse from Arkansas Urology called this morning for a health and wellness checkup. I go to see the nurse practitioner the Monday after Thanksgiving...I may have "Low T", which can lead to other "male problems".

    Good thing to check out....

    Sounds like a wise thing to do... you don't need the balance to be any
    bigger....

    Considering that I end up paying for it.

    He doesn't have access to the card to charge anything on it, does he...?

    If we get money from the "Miller Trust" in March (we'll get more if
    she dies before then...she is not well, sadly), I'm going to warn him
    that "once that money is gone, it's gone...and if you get arrested
    for writing a hot check, I'm going to let you rot in jail...because
    you wouldn't man up and take responsibility for your finances".

    When that Trust is released, the money would be shared equally between
    you...? His share can be put into his own account, and not still mixed
    in with yours....?

    He may be 21 months younger than me, but he doesn't have brain damage where he can't do math...I think he's just lazy...thinking he can buy stuff and have someone else pay for it. I told him "those days are over"...and he obviously wasn't happy.

    He may feel entitled... but that doesn't change the fact that he should
    have been taking more initiative for keeping his accounts straight....

    You could bring it up with your mom's doctor....

    I've mentioned it to the health care nurses at the nursing home.

    In my experience they probably can't or won't do anything about it...
    but talking to the doctor has at least a chance that someone would
    really look into it....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sat Nov 17 12:25:00 2018
    Hi, Nancy,

    Good thing to check out....

    Always good to be proactive from the medical standpoint. Folks don't
    like to talk about those things, let alone consider them (bowel,
    bladder, sex life, etc.) -- but neglecting such could cost one their
    life!!

    He doesn't have access to the card to charge anything on it, does he...?

    Not any more. The card has been CLOSED, and his name is OFF of it (his
    name was only on one of them). Yet, I still have to pay the balance on
    that, and one other credit card. But, that will take some time.

    He called last night, saying that apparently the person who did our
    income taxes last year, forgot to file 2 forms for him, and now, he has
    to pay far more for insurance until the Medicaid kicks in next May. He basically has been "spoiled", and "living like a king"...with other
    people paying for his "treats". He obviously doesn't like being a
    "pauper", as I've been doing for years.

    When that Trust is released, the money would be shared equally between NB>you...? His share can be put into his own account, and not still mixed NB>in with yours....?

    That's correct. But, I'll warn him that "once this is gone (before our
    Mom dies, and even what we get after her death), there is no more". It's
    just like the concept of a restaurant buffet or salad bar. If no one is
    there to put stuff back on it that's taken off, sooner or later, it's
    going to be empty. That's what a certain group of people can't seem to understand. If demand exceeds the supply, sooner or later, there's
    nothing left.

    He may feel entitled... but that doesn't change the fact that he should NB>have been taking more initiative for keeping his accounts straight....

    This is true. The world doesn't revolve around anyone, and it owes us nothing. Yet, so many feel they're entitled to something.

    In my experience they probably can't or won't do anything about it...
    but talking to the doctor has at least a chance that someone would
    really look into it....

    I have talked with the physician there, but the dementia is a big part
    of it. Like Alzheimer's, once it starts, it's all downhill from
    there...no cure.

    ... I am Mommy of Borg-no dessert til broccoli is assimilated

    I missed out on a lot of desserts, then. :P

    Daryl
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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Nov 22 13:23:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-17-18 12:31 <=-

    Good thing to check out....

    Always good to be proactive from the medical standpoint. Folks don't
    like to talk about those things, let alone consider them (bowel,
    bladder, sex life, etc.) -- but neglecting such could cost one their life!!

    Quite agreed.... I tend to treat all that rather matter-of-factly...
    Those are all part of living, and nothing to be sqeamish or prudish
    about....

    He doesn't have access to the card to charge anything on it, does
    he...?

    Not any more. The card has been CLOSED, and his name is OFF of it
    (his name was only on one of them). Yet, I still have to pay the
    balance on that, and one other credit card. But, that will take some
    time.

    Good that you removed that card from him....

    He called last night, saying that apparently the person who did our
    income taxes last year, forgot to file 2 forms for him, and now, he
    has to pay far more for insurance until the Medicaid kicks in next May.

    Isn't the tax preparer liable for that....? But your brother should
    still have checked things out when he got the report/forms....

    He basically has been "spoiled", and "living like a king"...with other people paying for his "treats". He obviously doesn't like being a "pauper", as I've been doing for years.

    Guess it's time for him to wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak...

    When that Trust is released, the money would be shared equally
    between you...? His share can be put into his own account, and not
    still mixed in with yours....?

    That's correct. But, I'll warn him that "once this is gone (before
    our Mom dies, and even what we get after her death), there is no more". It's just like the concept of a restaurant buffet or salad bar. If no
    one is there to put stuff back on it that's taken off, sooner or later, it's going to be empty. That's what a certain group of people can't
    seem to understand. If demand exceeds the supply, sooner or later,
    there's nothing left.

    It's not an inexhaustible supply, after all....

    In my experience they probably can't or won't do anything about it...
    but talking to the doctor has at least a chance that someone would
    really look into it....

    I have talked with the physician there, but the dementia is a big
    part of it. Like Alzheimer's, once it starts, it's all downhill from there...no cure.

    But have they even looked into the possibility that it could be a
    side-effect of the meds....? I have seen the difference stopping a bad
    med made in someone's seeming dementia... she came right back to a brain
    that work fairly well....

    ... I am Mommy of Borg-no dessert til broccoli is assimilated

    I missed out on a lot of desserts, then. :P

    Maybe your Mommy didn't have that policy... ;)

    ttyl neb

    ... 100% of the people who ate broccoli in 1830 are dead.

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Nov 23 05:43:48 2018
    Nancy wrote --

    ... I am Mommy of Borg-no dessert til broccoli is assimilated

    I love broccoli! May I have more please?
    Steamed about 10 minutes, touch of butter on the crowns and a dash of
    salt... Yummy.
    Also good raw.
    And I eat the whole thing, including the stem.
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Fri Nov 23 13:41:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Quite agreed.... I tend to treat all that rather matter-of-factly... NB>Those are all part of living, and nothing to be sqeamish or prudish NB>about....

    It's like when I was in the E.R. once, and this woman was brought in,
    in labor. The nurse told her "you're going to have that baby, but not
    out here...we're taking you to labor and delivery". At that point, you
    have to forget all modesty...plus, the medical professionals have seen
    it all before.

    Good that you removed that card from him....

    He was furious...basically having been "spoiled", and what he thought
    of as "living like a king". Now, he's having to do like I do...live like
    a pauper.

    Isn't the tax preparer liable for that....? But your brother should NB>still have checked things out when he got the report/forms....

    I would've thought so...but as noted, he can't balance his own
    checkbook. He told me that with these finances with my Mom, "he wanted
    nothing to do with it". When we get the trust fund money in spring, or
    the money after her death, I will divide it 50/50 -- but I will sternly
    warn him that "If you blow this, it's gone...and don't come to me
    begging for help, because of your irresponsibility. And, if you end up
    going to jail for writing hot checks, etc., don't expect me to bail you
    out". He's like in the episode of "I Dream Of Jeannie", where she
    couldn't understand the concept of credit cards.

    Guess it's time for him to wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak...

    Never mind the guacamole...which I don't care for, either.

    It's not an inexhaustible supply, after all....

    He thinks it is...hence the saying "money grows on trees".

    But have they even looked into the possibility that it could be a NB>side-effect of the meds....? I have seen the difference stopping a bad NB>med made in someone's seeming dementia... she came right back to a brain NB>that work fairly well....

    I've wondered about that. I'll have to ask the doctor the next time
    I'm there.

    Maybe your Mommy didn't have that policy... ;)

    It was "you eat, or you go hungry".

    Daryl

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Fri Nov 23 14:06:00 2018
    Joe,

    I love broccoli! May I have more please?
    Steamed about 10 minutes, touch of butter on the crowns and a dash of
    salt... Yummy.
    Also good raw.
    And I eat the whole thing, including the stem.

    You can have my portion.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Nov 24 07:01:40 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    He thinks it is...hence the saying "money grows on trees".

    I've had two main fantasies in my life.
    One was being able to drive whatever car I wanted to. (That came true
    when I was in the car biz and could have my pick of any used car on the
    lot, until I got tired of it or was sold).
    The other was pants that had an unlimited about of cash in the pockets
    and always just for the amount I needed. If I needed a dime, there was a
    dime in my pocket. I needed $100, there was $100 in my pockets.
    Still waiting for that second one to come true.

    Maybe your Mommy didn't have that policy... ;)

    It was "you eat, or you go hungry".

    When I was growing up there always two choices at supper: Eat it or go hungry. :)
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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sun Nov 25 06:40:30 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    I love broccoli! May I have more please?

    You can have my portion.

    Thanks.
    Want my eggplant?
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Sun Nov 25 12:04:00 2018
    Joe,

    I love broccoli! May I have more please?

    You can have my portion.

    Thanks.
    Want my eggplant?

    Eggplant?? If it's chicken (especially the breasts, prepped like at
    KFC), yes. Otherwise, no thanks.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to JOE MACKEY on Mon Nov 26 14:49:00 2018
    Quoting Joe Mackey to Nancy Backus on 11-23-18 05:43 <=-

    ... I am Mommy of Borg-no dessert til broccoli is assimilated

    I love broccoli! May I have more please?
    Steamed about 10 minutes, touch of butter on the crowns and a dash
    of salt... Yummy.
    Also good raw.
    And I eat the whole thing, including the stem.

    So do we... steamed or raw... I've made little strips of the broccoli
    stems to put on veggie platters, people rarely guess what they are,
    besides good... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Mon Nov 26 14:59:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-23-18 13:47 <=-

    Quite agreed.... I tend to treat all that rather matter-of-factly...
    Those are all part of living, and nothing to be sqeamish or prudish
    about....

    It's like when I was in the E.R. once, and this woman was brought
    in, in labor. The nurse told her "you're going to have that baby, but
    not out here...we're taking you to labor and delivery". At that point,
    you have to forget all modesty...plus, the medical professionals have
    seen it all before.

    Generally now, a woman in labor would go directly to the labor and
    delivery area, even to be checked out to see if it was indeed labor... everything planned out in advance... ;)

    Good that you removed that card from him....

    He was furious...basically having been "spoiled", and what he
    thought of as "living like a king". Now, he's having to do like I do...live like a pauper.

    He'll have to figure out a way to legitimately get the funds he
    needs.... and not mooch off of others...

    Isn't the tax preparer liable for that....? But your brother should
    still have checked things out when he got the report/forms....

    I would've thought so...but as noted, he can't balance his own
    checkbook. He told me that with these finances with my Mom, "he wanted nothing to do with it". When we get the trust fund money in spring, or
    the money after her death, I will divide it 50/50 -- but I will
    sternly warn him that "If you blow this, it's gone...and don't come to
    me begging for help, because of your irresponsibility. And, if you end
    up going to jail for writing hot checks, etc., don't expect me to bail
    you out". He's like in the episode of "I Dream Of Jeannie", where she couldn't understand the concept of credit cards.

    Is he as immature in all the other areas of his life...? Maybe he needs
    to be made a "ward of the state"...?

    Guess it's time for him to wake up and smell the coffee, so to speak...
    Never mind the guacamole...which I don't care for, either.
    It's not an inexhaustible supply, after all....
    He thinks it is...hence the saying "money grows on trees".

    Daddy always referred to ATMs as "money-trees"..... of course, he knew
    that it really was just access to his accounts... :)

    But have they even looked into the possibility that it could be a
    side-effect of the meds....? I have seen the difference stopping
    a bad med made in someone's seeming dementia... she came right back
    to a brain that worked fairly well....

    I've wondered about that. I'll have to ask the doctor the next time
    I'm there.

    That would be good to at least rule that out as a possibility, and it
    would need to be the doctor, I'm pretty sure....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Wed Nov 28 22:25:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Generally now, a woman in labor would go directly to the labor and NB>delivery area, even to be checked out to see if it was indeed labor... NB>everything planned out in advance... ;)

    Some people wait until the last second to do anything...especially
    when it relates to weather. We can warn folks of safety rules until
    we're blue in the face, and yet, when it happens, these idiots (for lack
    of a better word) can't figure out what to do.

    He'll have to figure out a way to legitimately get the funds he
    needs.... and not mooch off of others...

    If there is funding in March from the Miller Trust, I'm going to set
    up an account, with a debit card for him, letting him know what he has
    spent. The money he has to pay on his property taxes, plus his income
    taxes, and from this last credit card statement, will be deducted from
    what he may get. I will sternly warn him that "once this is gone,
    there's nothing else until after Mom is gone...but once that is gone,
    there is no more".

    So, if he "blows it" on partying, etc., when he comes to me asking for help...he may be my brother, but I'm going to tell him to "get lost".
    I'll be 59 next year, and he's 21 months younger than me...but it's high
    time he learned some financial responsibility. If he ends up getting
    arrested for hot checks, etc. (one area police department makes a ton of
    money off of that), I'm not going to bail him out...because considering
    his past poor financial behavior, he's likely to "keep up his mooching
    ways". I told him that "you can't drink or party away your problems or
    your pain. You have to fight your battles yourself". Yet, at the start
    of this, he told me "he wanted nothing to do with this financial
    crap"...but, he wants his money.

    Is he as immature in all the other areas of his life...? Maybe he needs NB>to be made a "ward of the state"...?

    I think it's just in the economics. When he was able to work, he was a
    hard worker. But, his impatience nearly killed him 3 months after my
    wife died, when he was involved in a freak motorcycle wreck. He's so
    bummed up now from the arthritis, that he can barely get around...and
    the pain meds are so expensive. The sad thing is that he had no hobbies
    but his motorcycle...and he was like our late father...always had to be
    "on the go". He pushed the envelope limit for so many years, and now,
    he's angry that he has to "pay the piper".

    Daddy always referred to ATMs as "money-trees"..... of course, he knew NB>that it really was just access to his accounts... :)

    I liked the one where this young child saw people get into an
    elevator, and when the door opened, they were gone. The kid wanted to
    know if they could get one of those at home, to get rid of the annoying relatives. <G>

    That would be good to at least rule that out as a possibility, and it NB>would need to be the doctor, I'm pretty sure....

    At least I can still talk with her on her flip-phone cellphone that I
    bought for her...when I can't get over there to visit. Her dementia is
    real bad, but at least she still knows who I am.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Dec 1 15:27:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 11-28-18 22:31 <=-

    Some people wait until the last second to do anything...especially
    when it relates to weather. We can warn folks of safety rules until
    we're blue in the face, and yet, when it happens, these idiots (for
    lack of a better word) can't figure out what to do.

    And then they reap the benefits of their inaction... unless they get
    really lucky.... :)

    He'll have to figure out a way to legitimately get the funds he
    needs.... and not mooch off of others...

    If there is funding in March from the Miller Trust, I'm going to set
    up an account, with a debit card for him, letting him know what he has spent. The money he has to pay on his property taxes, plus his income taxes, and from this last credit card statement, will be deducted from what he may get.

    So you'll make sure that he pays those, by not giving him the access to
    that part, but using "his" money to pay them... makes sense....

    I will sternly warn him that "once this is gone,
    there's nothing else until after Mom is gone...but once that is gone, there is no more".

    And perhaps he will give heed....

    So, if he "blows it" on partying, etc., when he comes to me asking
    for help...he may be my brother, but I'm going to tell him to "get
    lost". I'll be 59 next year, and he's 21 months younger than me...but
    it's high time he learned some financial responsibility. If he ends up
    getting arrested for hot checks, etc. (one area police department makes
    a ton of money off of that), I'm not going to bail him out...because
    considering his past poor financial behavior, he's likely to "keep up
    his mooching ways". I told him that "you can't drink or party away your
    problems or your pain. You have to fight your battles yourself". Yet,
    at the start of this, he told me "he wanted nothing to do with this
    financial crap"...but, he wants his money.
    Is he as immature in all the other areas of his life...? Maybe he
    needs to be made a "ward of the state"...?

    I think it's just in the economics. When he was able to work, he was
    a hard worker. But, his impatience nearly killed him 3 months after my wife died, when he was involved in a freak motorcycle wreck. He's so bummed up now from the arthritis, that he can barely get around...and
    the pain meds are so expensive. The sad thing is that he had no
    hobbies but his motorcycle...and he was like our late father...always
    had to be "on the go". He pushed the envelope limit for so many years,
    and now, he's angry that he has to "pay the piper".

    Is he eligible for Disability....? I can understand his being bitter
    about losing his one hobby.... though that doesn't excuse the behaviour
    with regard to his finances....

    Daddy always referred to ATMs as "money-trees"..... of course, he knew
    that it really was just access to his accounts... :)

    I liked the one where this young child saw people get into an
    elevator, and when the door opened, they were gone. The kid wanted to
    know if they could get one of those at home, to get rid of the
    annoying relatives. <G>

    Too bad it doesn't really work that way.... ;)

    That would be good to at least rule that out as a possibility, and it
    would need to be the doctor, I'm pretty sure....

    At least I can still talk with her on her flip-phone cellphone that
    I bought for her...when I can't get over there to visit. Her dementia
    is real bad, but at least she still knows who I am.

    That's a good thing... :) Another reason, btw, that it might be
    meds-related, too.... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Dec 2 12:37:00 2018
    Nancy,

    And then they reap the benefits of their inaction... unless they get NB>really lucky.... :)

    But, luck (like anything else) sooner or later, runs out.

    So you'll make sure that he pays those, by not giving him the access to NB>that part, but using "his" money to pay them... makes sense....

    Exactly. I will print him an itemized statement each month, and warn
    him that "once it's gone, it's gone"...and "don't come crying to me for
    help if you blow it".

    And perhaps he will give heed....

    It's for his own good. You don't pay the power, water,
    heating/cooling, garbage, and tax bills, you'll be in the dark, with no comfort...and eventually no place to live.

    Is he eligible for Disability....? I can understand his being bitter NB>about losing his one hobby.... though that doesn't excuse the behaviour NB>with regard to his finances....

    He has been certified as disabled, but as with me, it took 6 months
    before Medicare to kick in. Seven months before Janice died, they took
    away my SSI and Medicaid, saying "$1500 a month between us was too much money"...don't get me started on that. Then, if you have to make bank
    account changes, it takes 30 to 60 days to take effect...and if the
    government shuts down, it takes even longer. In the meantime, you have
    to keep the accounts open, and manually move the money.

    I liked the one where this young child saw people get into an
    elevator, and when the door opened, they were gone. The kid wanted to know if they could get one of those at home, to get rid of the
    annoying relatives. <G>

    Too bad it doesn't really work that way.... ;)

    Really.

    That's a good thing... :) Another reason, btw, that it might be NB>meds-related, too.... :)

    I talked to her this morning, and she said she does NOT want drugs
    that make her hallucinate...and I've stressed that to them as well.

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Wed Dec 5 18:07:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 12-02-18 12:43 <=-

    And then they reap the benefits of their inaction... unless they get
    really lucky.... :)

    But, luck (like anything else) sooner or later, runs out.

    So they aren't particularly likely to get lucky....

    So you'll make sure that he pays those, by not giving him the access
    to that part, but using "his" money to pay them... makes sense....

    Exactly. I will print him an itemized statement each month, and warn
    him that "once it's gone, it's gone"...and "don't come crying to me
    for help if you blow it".

    It might work...

    And perhaps he will give heed....

    It's for his own good. You don't pay the power, water,
    heating/cooling, garbage, and tax bills, you'll be in the dark, with
    no comfort...and eventually no place to live.

    True...

    Is he eligible for Disability....? I can understand his being bitter
    about losing his one hobby.... though that doesn't excuse the behaviour
    with regard to his finances....

    He has been certified as disabled, but as with me, it took 6 months
    before Medicare to kick in.

    Has he been getting payments on that...? or Medicaid/Food Stamps....?

    Seven months before Janice died, they took
    away my SSI and Medicaid, saying "$1500 a month between us was too
    much money"...don't get me started on that. Then, if you have to make
    bank account changes, it takes 30 to 60 days to take effect...and if
    the government shuts down, it takes even longer. In the meantime, you
    have to keep the accounts open, and manually move the money.

    So, hopefully you won't have to make account changes... and the
    government will behave itself..... ;)

    That's a good thing... :) Another reason, btw, that it might be
    meds-related, too.... :)

    I talked to her this morning, and she said she does NOT want drugs
    that make her hallucinate...and I've stressed that to them as well.

    Are they giving her any of those....? I agree she doesn't need
    those.... hopefully that's not a side effect of meds she does need to be taking....

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Thu Dec 6 20:02:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Has he been getting payments on that...? or Medicaid/Food Stamps....?

    He, like myself "gets too much" to qualify. Let them try surviving on
    under $1000 a month.

    So, hopefully you won't have to make account changes... and the NB>government will behave itself..... ;)

    Well, I saw where they "extended the deadline" (kicking the can down
    the road again) for another 2 weeks. I'm sick of the political tug of
    war.

    Are they giving her any of those....? I agree she doesn't need
    those.... hopefully that's not a side effect of meds she does need to be NB>taking....

    Well, she and I have told the nurses that if she's telling of side
    effects, she should be given something else.

    As Jeff Foxworthy noted, "When I was growing up, there were only 2
    medicines in the cabinet -- aspirin, and Camphopenique"...then added
    "the prescription medications out there now, and the side effects are 50
    times worse than what the medicine is designed to treat". Sort of like
    "Side Effects May Include Death". WTH am I taking it for, then??!!

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Sat Dec 8 16:28:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 12-06-18 20:08 <=-

    Has he been getting payments on that...? or Medicaid/Food Stamps....?

    He, like myself "gets too much" to qualify. Let them try surviving
    on under $1000 a month.

    Sigh... All the more reason he needs to learn some survival skills, like
    a better attitude towards keeping his finances properly...

    So, hopefully you won't have to make account changes... and the
    government will behave itself..... ;)

    Well, I saw where they "extended the deadline" (kicking the can down
    the road again) for another 2 weeks. I'm sick of the political tug of
    war.

    It would be nice if they behaved more like responsible adults
    themselves, for sure.... ;0 Threats of a government shutdown are almost
    always rather unresponsible......

    Are they giving her any of those....? I agree she doesn't need
    those.... hopefully that's not a side effect of meds she does need
    to be taking....

    Well, she and I have told the nurses that if she's telling of side effects, she should be given something else.

    But apparently, without being much listened to... another thing that is bothersome.... ;)

    As Jeff Foxworthy noted, "When I was growing up, there were only 2 medicines in the cabinet -- aspirin, and Camphopenique"...then added
    "the prescription medications out there now, and the side effects are
    50 times worse than what the medicine is designed to treat". Sort of
    like "Side Effects May Include Death". WTH am I taking it for, then??!!

    I remember CamphoPhenique... that was always in my parents' medicine cabinet.... ;) There are some prescription meds that are called for and useful... and it's possible to not get any of those dire side effects...
    but there are certainly an awful lot of them that are rather scary....

    * OLX 1.53 * Wisconsin: Come smell our dairy air.

    I certainly hope that it's more like my friend's dairy farm (where one
    doesn't smell any manure, as it's kept quite clean) and less like my
    sister's in-laws' dairy farm, where the smell clung to her clothes and
    her car, hours and miles away fro the farm... she and her husband lived
    with his parents on the farm for a couple of years to help out... :)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Sun Dec 9 13:17:00 2018
    Nancy,

    Sigh... All the more reason he needs to learn some survival skills, like NB>a better attitude towards keeping his finances properly...

    He's like so many others, sadly. Too put it bluntly, he's lazy. So
    many would prefer to live "foot loose and fancy free", and "have others
    pay their bills". To me, that's a cop-out. The fellow ham radio
    operator, who I sold my 20 year old car to (dirt cheap), is the same way
    with his brother. Except for gender, they're as different as night and
    day, they don't get along, and his brother is "lazy". Even when we get
    some money from the settlement in spring, I'll bet he's going to blow
    through his portion...but as noted, when he comes to me asking for more,
    it'll be "Too bad, so sad...tough titty said the kitty when the milk
    went dry".

    It would be nice if they behaved more like responsible adults
    themselves, for sure.... ;0 Threats of a government shutdown are almost NB>always rather unresponsible......

    They're just putting it off so they don't have to take the
    responsibility for it.

    But apparently, without being much listened to... another thing that is NB>bothersome.... ;)

    At least the nurses where she is don't treat her like dirt.

    I remember CamphoPhenique... that was always in my parents' medicine NB>cabinet.... ;) There are some prescription meds that are called for and NB>useful... and it's possible to not get any of those dire side effects... NB>but there are certainly an awful lot of them that are rather scary....

    As noted, when I hear "Side Effects May Include Death"...I wonder "Why
    should I take it, let alone pay the money for it??!!".

    * OLX 1.53 * Wisconsin: Come smell our dairy air.

    I certainly hope that it's more like my friend's dairy farm (where one NB>doesn't smell any manure, as it's kept quite clean) and less like my NB>sister's in-laws' dairy farm, where the smell clung to her clothes and NB>her car, hours and miles away fro the farm... she and her husband lived NB>with his parents on the farm for a couple of years to help out... :)

    When I worked in silkscreen printing, I came home with that nasty
    solvent smell of methyl-ethyl-ketone all over me and my clothes. I
    likely absorbed a lot of it over the years...and combine that with such
    a severe case of chicken pox when I was 20, shortly before I married
    Janice, we agreed that "since they wouldn't spay her, I'd volunteer to
    get neutered" <G>. But, the way the world is nowadays, and the way so
    many kids are undisciplined, I'm glad I never had any. We joked that "we
    have a son...a dachshund"...and, he was more than enough!! At least we
    didn't have to buy clothes for him, or take him to school!! He likely
    would've bitten the ankles of the obedience school instructor. :P

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Thu Dec 13 16:04:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 12-09-18 13:23 <=-

    Sigh... All the more reason he needs to learn some survival skills,
    like a better attitude towards keeping his finances properly...

    He's like so many others, sadly. Too put it bluntly, he's lazy. So
    many would prefer to live "foot loose and fancy free", and "have
    others pay their bills". To me, that's a cop-out. The fellow ham radio operator, who I sold my 20 year old car to (dirt cheap), is the same
    way with his brother. Except for gender, they're as different as night
    and day, they don't get along, and his brother is "lazy". Even when we
    get some money from the settlement in spring, I'll bet he's going to
    blow through his portion...but as noted, when he comes to me asking for more, it'll be "Too bad, so sad...tough titty said the kitty when the
    milk went dry".

    Maybe someday he'll finally learn.... one can hope.... :)

    It would be nice if they behaved more like responsible adults
    themselves, for sure.... ;0 Threats of a government shutdown are
    almost always rather irresponsible......

    They're just putting it off so they don't have to take the
    responsibility for it.

    Perhaps.

    But apparently, without being much listened to... another thing that
    is bothersome.... ;)

    At least the nurses where she is don't treat her like dirt.

    That, at least, is a very good thing... :)

    I remember CamphoPhenique... that was always in my parents' medicine
    cabinet.... ;) There are some prescription meds that are called for and
    useful... and it's possible to not get any of those dire side effects...
    but there are certainly an awful lot of them that are rather scary....

    As noted, when I hear "Side Effects May Include Death"...I wonder
    "Why should I take it, let alone pay the money for it??!!".

    Part of that is simply CYA verbiage.... one could be allergic to
    anything and have it be the cause of death.... and now they have to put
    that in writing....

    * OLX 1.53 * Wisconsin: Come smell our dairy air.
    I certainly hope that it's more like my friend's dairy farm (where one
    doesn't smell any manure, as it's kept quite clean) and less like my
    sister's in-laws' dairy farm, where the smell clung to her clothes and
    her car, hours and miles away fro the farm... she and her husband lived
    with his parents on the farm for a couple of years to help out... :)

    When I worked in silkscreen printing, I came home with that nasty
    solvent smell of methyl-ethyl-ketone all over me and my clothes.

    Some smells are just like that... very pervasive and invasive....

    I likely absorbed a lot of it over the years...and combine that with
    such a severe case of chicken pox when I was 20, shortly before I
    married Janice, we agreed that "since they wouldn't spay her, I'd volunteer to get neutered" <G>. But, the way the world is nowadays, and the way so many kids are undisciplined, I'm glad I never had any.

    Had you had any, you could have raised them to be better behaved than
    most... ;)

    We joked that "we have a son...a dachshund"...and, he was more than enough!! At least we didn't have to buy clothes for him, or take him to school!! He likely would've bitten the ankles of the obedience school instructor. :P

    Just had the vet bills for him... ;)

    ttyl neb

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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to NANCY BACKUS on Mon Dec 17 12:44:00 2018
    Nancy,
    As noted, when I hear "Side Effects May Include Death"...I wonder
    "Why should I take it, let alone pay the money for it??!!".

    Part of that is simply CYA verbiage.... one could be allergic to
    anything and have it be the cause of death.... and now they have to put NB>that in writing....

    People are so litigious nowadays that they'll sue at the drop of a
    hat. I'm waiting for them to file suit for sneezing, belching, and
    farting in public. In that case, everyone is in jail. :P

    Had you had any, you could have raised them to be better behaved than NB>most... ;)

    Janice emphasized that she would've done likewise. A friend of mine,
    twice a widow and once divorced, didn't take any crap from her kids.
    When one of her sons decided to get rebellious, and said "I'll call DHS
    on you", she promptly picked up the phone and dialed it for him...adding
    "You live under my roof, you play by my rules. If you go to their
    facility, this place would be Heaven by comparison". He quickly backed
    down.

    Just had the vet bills for him... ;)

    Yep. Some of the overnight vet clinics really charge a huge fee...just
    like the regular emergency rooms.

    Daryl

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  • From JOE MACKEY@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Tue Dec 18 06:34:26 2018
    Daryl wrote --

    People are so litigious nowadays that they'll sue at the drop of a
    hat.

    I've read where in the olden days people sued all the time as well.
    Usually these were property disputes where person A felt their neighbour persons B put a fence on person A's property by a couple of inches, etc.

    "You live under my roof, you play by my rules.

    Heard things like that a few times when I was growing up. :)

    Yep. Some of the overnight vet clinics really charge a huge fee...

    When Blanche was going to the vet a lot she was kept overnight a few
    times and that was like $40 a night. With prices like that I wonder if
    Blanche got a mint on her pillow? :)
    Joe
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  • From Daryl Stout@1:19/33 to JOE MACKEY on Wed Dec 19 17:01:00 2018
    Joe,

    I've read where in the olden days people sued all the time as well.
    Usually these were property disputes where person A felt their neighbour JM>persons B put a fence on person A's property by a couple of inches, etc.

    Reminds me of the episode of The Flintstones where Fred built a new
    room onto his house...but he didn't know that half of it was on Barney's property!!

    "You live under my roof, you play by my rules.

    Heard things like that a few times when I was growing up. :)

    So did I. You won't hear that nowadays.

    When Blanche was going to the vet a lot she was kept overnight a few
    times and that was like $40 a night. With prices like that I wonder if JM>Blanche got a mint on her pillow? :)

    I would say so!!

    Daryl

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  • From NANCY BACKUS@1:123/140 to DARYL STOUT on Fri Dec 21 11:23:00 2018
    Quoting Daryl Stout to Nancy Backus on 12-17-18 12:50 <=-

    As noted, when I hear "Side Effects May Include Death"...I wonder
    "Why should I take it, let alone pay the money for it??!!".
    Part of that is simply CYA verbiage.... one could be allergic to
    anything and have it be the cause of death.... and now they have to
    put that in writing....

    People are so litigious nowadays that they'll sue at the drop of a
    hat. I'm waiting for them to file suit for sneezing, belching, and
    farting in public. In that case, everyone is in jail. :P

    Things like that would be thrown out of court as frivolous suits and a
    waste of the court's time... :)

    Had you had any, you could have raised them to be better behaved
    than most... ;)

    Janice emphasized that she would've done likewise. A friend of mine,
    twice a widow and once divorced, didn't take any crap from her kids.
    When one of her sons decided to get rebellious, and said "I'll call
    DHS on you", she promptly picked up the phone and dialed it for him...adding "You live under my roof, you play by my rules. If you go
    to their facility, this place would be Heaven by comparison". He
    quickly backed down.

    Called the bluff.... She recognized that the kid was blowing hot
    air.... and he obviously knew better than to push her too far.... :)

    Just had the vet bills for him... ;)

    Yep. Some of the overnight vet clinics really charge a huge
    fee...just like the regular emergency rooms.

    Well, they are essentially ERs....

    ttyl neb

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