ghost town?

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Hey syrinxcultist!

ghost town?

You've got to be kidding.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey syrinxcultist!

ghost town?

You've got to be kidding.

Life is good,
Maurice

I'm getting nothing =/

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On 2017 Nov 27 10:26:26, you wrote to Maurice Kinal:

Hey syrinxcultist!

ghost town?

You've got to be kidding.

I'm getting nothing =/

maybe it is related to real names?? ;)

)\/(ark

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Hey syrinxcultist!

I'm getting nothing =/

Don't overthink it.

Life is good,
Maurice

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Hey mark!

maybe it is related to real names?? ;)

A certain last name to be more precise.

Life is good,
Maurice

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maybe it is related to real names?? ;)

oopsie... redid my msgs bases and left that off... sorry

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Hey Daniel!

AHA!!! So you are Kidd(ing)! :-)

Life is good,
Maurice

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On 2017 Nov 27 17:21:02, you wrote to me:

maybe it is related to real names?? ;)

oopsie... redid my msgs bases and left that off... sorry

hehehe, it is cool, man :)

)\/(ark

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On 11/27/17, Daniel Kidd said the following...

maybe it is related to real names?? ;)

oopsie... redid my msgs bases and left that off... sorry

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Now it looks right :)

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ghost town?

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

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Joacim Melin wrote to syrinxcultist <=-

ghost town?

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

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Not a clue. I haven't even seen RHEL 8 on the testing availability listing yet.

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Hello Joacim!

28 Nov 17 08:58, you wrote to syrinxcultist:

ghost town?

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or 2020, at least.


Mike


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Hello Joacim!

28 Nov 17 08:58, you wrote to syrinxcultist:

ghost town?

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or 2020,
at least.

Good to hear, just got settled with CentOS 7.


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Hello Mike,

On Tue Nov 28 2017 10:21:44, Mike Miller wrote to Joacim Melin:

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or 2020, at least.

Holy crap. CentOS 7 was released in 2014??? That's way worse than even Debian's
release timeline. I tend to prefer the latest stable releases of software, rather than a stable release from 2-3 years ago. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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ghost town?

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Hurray!

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Hello Nicholas!

28 Nov 17 17:23, you wrote to me:

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or
2020, at least.

Holy crap. CentOS 7 was released in 2014??? That's way worse than even Debian's release timeline. I tend to prefer the latest stable releases
of software, rather than a stable release from 2-3 years ago. ;)

RedHat backports a lot of new features into packages, and there are always repositories out there with more "updated" software. At work we use CentOS specifically because it is stable, and well tested. If we need newer versions of software/packages, we'll find a repository for them, or we'll create our own.

I don't think I'd want to manage 750+ machines running Gentoo or Arch :)


Mike


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Hello Joacim!

28 Nov 17 23:49, you wrote to me:

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or
2020, at least.

Good to hear, just got settled with CentOS 7.

That's what I run my BBS on.


Mike


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Hello Mike,

On Tue Nov 28 2017 10:21:44, Mike Miller wrote to Joacim Melin:

Not at all. Anyone know when RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 will be out?

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or 2020, at
least.

Holy crap. CentOS 7 was released in 2014??? That's way worse than
even Debian's release timeline. I tend to prefer the latest stable releases of software, rather than a stable release from 2-3 years
ago. ;)

CentOS is so far behind on certain things, like PHP and Nginx, it's rediculous.
No wonder people are doing all kinds of workarounds to get the latest stuff.


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Hello Mike,

On Tue Nov 28 2017 23:58:50, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Based on their previous releases, probably not until 2019 or
2020, at least.

Holy crap. CentOS 7 was released in 2014??? That's way worse than
even Debian's release timeline. I tend to prefer the latest
stable releases of software, rather than a stable release from
2-3 years ago. ;)

RedHat backports a lot of new features into packages, and there are always repositories out there with more "updated" software. At work we
use CentOS specifically because it is stable, and well tested. If we
need newer versions of software/packages, we'll find a repository for them, or we'll create our own.

I don't think I'd want to manage 750+ machines running Gentoo or Arch
:)

Oh no, definitely not. I'd probably go the CentOS route as well if I were managing that much. However, for a few machines at home.. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hello Joacim,

On Wed Nov 29 2017 08:09:56, Joacim Melin wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Holy crap. CentOS 7 was released in 2014??? That's way worse than
even Debian's release timeline. I tend to prefer the latest
stable releases of software, rather than a stable release from
2-3 years ago. ;)

CentOS is so far behind on certain things, like PHP and Nginx, it's rediculous. No wonder people are doing all kinds of workarounds to get
the latest stuff.

Agreed, and while that is completely fine for large production scales, I prefer
not having to work around anything and just get the latest stuff when it's released. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hello Nicholas!

29 Nov 17 14:06, you wrote to me:

RedHat backports a lot of new features into packages, and there
are always repositories out there with more "updated" software.
At work we use CentOS specifically because it is stable, and well
tested. If we need newer versions of software/packages, we'll
find a repository for them, or we'll create our own.

I don't think I'd want to manage 750+ machines running Gentoo or
Arch
:)

Oh no, definitely not. I'd probably go the CentOS route as well if I
were managing that much. However, for a few machines at home.. ;)

I run Gentoo on my "dev box", which I use for all my devops-y work. It also runs SEXPOTS to forward landline callers to the BBS. (Although one of these days I'm going to switch it over to mgetty and ifcico, I just don't have a good way to test it, since I can't call myself)

My BBS runs on CentOS 7 mainly because I wanted it on something stable, and I I can manage the OS in my sleep (and after long days at work, I often do!). Years back I ran Synchronet on Gentoo, and that was ... well, less fun that I wanted it to be.


Mike


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Hello Mike,

On Thu Nov 30 2017 12:07:18, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Oh no, definitely not. I'd probably go the CentOS route as well
if I were managing that much. However, for a few machines at
home.. ;)

I run Gentoo on my "dev box", which I use for all my devops-y work.
It also runs SEXPOTS to forward landline callers to the BBS. (Although
one of these days I'm going to switch it over to mgetty and ifcico, I
just don't have a good way to test it, since I can't call myself)

My BBS runs on CentOS 7 mainly because I wanted it on something
stable, and I I can manage the OS in my sleep (and after long days at work, I often do!). Years back I ran Synchronet on Gentoo, and that
was ... well, less fun that I wanted it to be.

I ran Gentoo for upwards of 10 years or so. And I agree. While Synchronet on Gentoo works great, it was usually Gentoo you had to worry about. Especially trying to run the ~ unstable architecture. That was a dumb idea that I fought for years. Once I went with the stable arch it was actually quite a bit better,
although I'm one to constantly upgrade - and that is always a pain in the ass with Gentoo (ie: it's dependency situation is still something I cringe at to this day - try to upgrade one thing and it wants to pull in 40 dependencies and
take 2 hours to compile). After taking a look at LFS and realizing that things like gcc only requires glibc, when Gentoo would want to update your entire system (obviously to re-compile with the latest gcc, but who needs to do that for every package?).. I tired of it and went another route until I get the time
(and patience) to do an LFS install. I probably wouldn't use it as my server OS, but there's never a time to stop learning. ;)

Now I run the BBS on Arch and update whenever I feel like it. Takes no time at all and everything has been surprisingly stable for a few years now.

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hello Nicholas!

01 Dec 17 10:40, you wrote to me:

Hello Mike,

On Thu Nov 30 2017 12:07:18, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Oh no, definitely not. I'd probably go the CentOS route as well
if I were managing that much. However, for a few machines at
home.. ;)

I run Gentoo on my "dev box", which I use for all my devops-y
work. It also runs SEXPOTS to forward landline callers to the
BBS. (Although one of these days I'm going to switch it over to
mgetty and ifcico, I just don't have a good way to test it, since
I can't call myself)

My BBS runs on CentOS 7 mainly because I wanted it on something
stable, and I I can manage the OS in my sleep (and after long
days at work, I often do!). Years back I ran Synchronet on
Gentoo, and that was ... well, less fun that I wanted it to be.

I ran Gentoo for upwards of 10 years or so. And I agree. While
Synchronet on Gentoo works great, it was usually Gentoo you had to
worry about. Especially trying to run the ~ unstable architecture.
That was a dumb idea that I fought for years. Once I went with the
stable arch it was actually quite a bit better, although I'm one to constantly upgrade - and that is always a pain in the ass with Gentoo
(ie: it's dependency situation is still something I cringe at to this
day - try to upgrade one thing and it wants to pull in 40 dependencies
and take 2 hours to compile). After taking a look at LFS and realizing that things like gcc only requires glibc, when Gentoo would want to
update your entire system (obviously to re-compile with the latest
gcc, but who needs to do that for every package?).. I tired of it and
went another route until I get the time (and patience) to do an LFS install. I probably wouldn't use it as my server OS, but there's never
a time to stop learning. ;)

I'm running into one of those stupid emerge issues right now on my devbox. too many things unmasked and it doesn't want to update properly. Meanwhile I can just "yum -y update" on my BBS machine without worrying that it's going to break.

"You built a new computer, throw Gentoo on the old one" I said. "It's got a fast CPU, Gentoo will work great!" I insisted. "You'll keep it up to date, just emerge once every few days or so!" I thought.

Yeah...

Now I run the BBS on Arch and update whenever I feel like it. Takes no time at all and everything has been surprisingly stable for a few
years now.

I tried to toss Arch on my laptop at one point, and I just couldn't get it to run right. It booted, but X wouldn't come up, and I didn't want to do Gentoo-levels of tinkering with it to make it work, so I gave up. I think I'm too old to learn a new distro...


Mike


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Hello Mike,

On Sat Dec 02 2017 00:52:26, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

I'm running into one of those stupid emerge issues right now on my devbox. too many things unmasked and it doesn't want to update
properly. Meanwhile I can just "yum -y update" on my BBS machine
without worrying that it's going to break.

Yeah, those were a pain tracking down the problem too! I honestly can't say that I miss it one bit, really. While the idea is nice, I'd now rather wait for
the time to try an LFS build if I'm going to go back to compiling everything.

"You built a new computer, throw Gentoo on the old one" I said. "It's
got a fast CPU, Gentoo will work great!" I insisted. "You'll keep it
up to date, just emerge once every few days or so!" I thought.

Yeah...

HAHA. But sometimes that "once every few days" overlap each other when you have
to compile for 8 hours (so you walk away), come back 12 hours later and the compile broke somewhere, so you have to track it down and recompile everything that didn't compile all over again. Yikes, as I said I don't miss it. lol

Now I run the BBS on Arch and update whenever I feel like it.
Takes no time at all and everything has been surprisingly stable
for a few years now.

I tried to toss Arch on my laptop at one point, and I just couldn't
get it to run right. It booted, but X wouldn't come up, and I didn't
want to do Gentoo-levels of tinkering with it to make it work, so I
gave up. I think I'm too old to learn a new distro...

So you tried installing X after you rebooted into it the first time? Arch doesn't come with X preinstalled. The best instructions are on the wiki. I think it's as simple as:

pacman -S xorg <desktop or window manager of choice>

Then if you want to use 'startx' you'd have to install xorg-xinit as it doesn't
come with the base xorg packages. Same goes for something like xdg, gdm, kdm, etc if you want a graphical login.

That aside, if you're looking for an Arch-based distro that comes with all the extras, you could try Manjaro or Antergos. I gave Manjaro a looksee in a VM and
it was great. Definitely a nice usable desktop OS. I just have no need for X so
I stick with Arch itself these days. My main desktop is Windows 10, mainly because of gaming. I just use Putty or VMWare's detachable console program to access my Linux servers.

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hello Mike,

On Sat Dec 02 2017 00:52:26, Mike Miller wrote to Nicholas Boel:

I'm running into one of those stupid emerge issues right now on my
devbox. too many things unmasked and it doesn't want to update
properly. Meanwhile I can just "yum -y update" on my BBS machine
without worrying that it's going to break.

Yeah, those were a pain tracking down the problem too! I honestly
can't say that I miss it one bit, really. While the idea is nice, I'd
now rather wait for the time to try an LFS build if I'm going to go
back to compiling everything.

"You built a new computer, throw Gentoo on the old one" I said. "It's
got a fast CPU, Gentoo will work great!" I insisted. "You'll keep it
up to date, just emerge once every few days or so!" I thought.

Yeah...

HAHA. But sometimes that "once every few days" overlap each other
when you have to compile for 8 hours (so you walk away), come back 12 hours later and the compile broke somewhere, so you have to track it
down and recompile everything that didn't compile all over again.
Yikes, as I said I don't miss it. lol

Now I run the BBS on Arch and update whenever I feel like it.
Takes no time at all and everything has been surprisingly stable
for a few years now.

I tried to toss Arch on my laptop at one point, and I just couldn't
get it to run right. It booted, but X wouldn't come up, and I didn't
want to do Gentoo-levels of tinkering with it to make it work, so I
gave up. I think I'm too old to learn a new distro...

So you tried installing X after you rebooted into it the first time?
Arch doesn't come with X preinstalled. The best instructions are on
the wiki. I think it's as simple as:

pacman -S xorg <desktop or window manager of choice>

Then if you want to use 'startx' you'd have to install xorg-xinit as
it doesn't come with the base xorg packages. Same goes for something
like xdg, gdm, kdm, etc if you want a graphical login.

That aside, if you're looking for an Arch-based distro that comes
with all the extras, you could try Manjaro or Antergos. I gave
Manjaro a looksee in a VM and it was great. Definitely a nice usable desktop OS. I just have no need for X so I stick with Arch itself
these days. My main desktop is Windows 10, mainly because of gaming.
I just use Putty or VMWare's detachable console program to access my
Linux servers.

Or you just install Fedora or Ubuntu and shit just works. :D


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Hello Joacim,

On Sat Dec 02 2017 18:06:22, Joacim Melin wrote to Nicholas Boel:

That aside, if you're looking for an Arch-based distro that comes
with all the extras, you could try Manjaro or Antergos. I gave
Manjaro a looksee in a VM and it was great. Definitely a nice
usable desktop OS. I just have no need for X so I stick with Arch
itself these days. My main desktop is Windows 10, mainly because
of gaming. I just use Putty or VMWare's detachable console
program to access my Linux servers.

Or you just install Fedora or Ubuntu and shit just works. :D

Shit just works with any distro I've used. If you're referring to having a desktop environment/window manager just work when you boot it up, then sure. I use Linux as servers though, so I don't need any of that GUI stuff. So my "Linux" just works also. ;)

When you can get Playerunknown's Battlegrounds, the Battlefield series, or the Call of Duty series to work on Fedora or Ubuntu, let me know! Gaming is the only thing keeping me running Windows on a higher end machine these days.

Regards,
Nick

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Hello Nicholas!

02 Dec 17 08:54, you wrote to me:

That aside, if you're looking for an Arch-based distro that comes with
all the extras, you could try Manjaro or Antergos. I gave Manjaro a looksee in a VM and it was great. Definitely a nice usable desktop OS.
I just have no need for X so I stick with Arch itself these days. My
main desktop is Windows 10, mainly because of gaming. I just use Putty
or VMWare's detachable console program to access my Linux servers.

I'll have to give it a shot again some time. The idea of learning a new package manager and distro just sounds exhausting, though.



Mike


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