Hi Sergey!

May 10 11:24 2012, Sergey Dorofeev wrote to Markus Reschke:

Have you ever written code for 8 bit CPUs running at 1, 2 or 4 MHz?
The binary header helps to process the message more easy and faster
than ASCII encoded addresses and stuff. And it also reduces the size
of the message. Back in the days of 300 bps modems you could count the
seconds saved. And RAM was limited too those days.

Linux requires at least 386 CPU (that is 32 bit) from the very birth.

Yep! But Fido is older than linux. BTW you can run linux on a 8 bit CPU using an emulator. That was recently done on an ATmega.

Regards,
Markus

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Hi Markus,

On 2017-09-10 17:33:20, you wrote to Sergey Dorofeev:

@MSGID: 2:244/1661 4fabd792
@REPLY: 2:5020/12000 4f51e4a6
@PID: Msged/LNX 6.1.2
@TZUTC: 0200
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 11-12-13
Hi Sergey!

May 10 11:24 2012, Sergey Dorofeev wrote to Markus Reschke:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 280/5003 464

Hmm. I got this message a number of times. Most in my BAD area, because it was too old (2012). But this one and 2 others in my dupe area, where apparantly the
date was changed. Sending out old mail is bad, but changing dates is even more bad IMHO !

Paths, in my BAD area:

@PATH: 240/1661
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 249/303
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 2320/100
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 393/68 770/1
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 5020/1042 4441 545

Paths in my dupe area:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 292/854
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 6 154/10

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(


Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Markus!

10 Sep 2017 17:33, from Markus Reschke -> Sergey Dorofeev:

Linux requires at least 386 CPU (that is 32 bit) from the very
birth.

Yep! But Fido is older than linux. BTW you can run linux on a 8 bit
CPU using an emulator. That was recently done on an ATmega.

There is also a requirement for real HW to have virtual memory.

There used to be ELKS (Extended Linux Kernel Subset) for MMUless CPUs.
No clue if it still exists. Never needed it.

CU, Ricsi

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Hi Wilfred!

Sep 11 09:20 2017, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Markus Reschke:

Hmm. I got this message a number of times. Most in my BAD area,
because it was too old (2012). But this one and 2 others in my dupe area, where apparantly the date was changed. Sending out old mail is bad, but changing dates is even more bad IMHO !

Paths in my dupe area:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 292/854
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 6 154/10

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

Still, I'd like to know who is creating the copies. A few days ago 1:15/0 sent copies of echomail from FIDOSOFT.GER to FIDOSOFT.HUSKY and from INTERNET.GER to
INTERNET while changing the writer's address to 1:15/0 and adding an origin line including the same address. I've sent 1:15/0 a netmail asking about that issue, but I haven't received any response yet :( And now we have exact copies.


From a copy in my dupe area:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 280/5003 464

Obviously my address wasn't in the seen-by lines when your system received that
copy. And you should have received that echomail directly from my system anyway.

Cheers,
Markus

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Hi Richard!

Sep 11 12:08 2017, Richard Menedetter wrote to Markus Reschke:

There is also a requirement for real HW to have virtual memory.

There used to be ELKS (Extended Linux Kernel Subset) for MMUless
CPUs. No clue if it still exists. Never needed it.

Sorry, but you've replied to an echomail 5 years old :)

ciao,
Markus

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Hi Markus,

On 2017-09-11 11:42:30, you wrote to me:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 292/854
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 6 154/10

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

Still, I'd like to know who is creating the copies. A few days ago 1:15/0 sent copies of echomail from FIDOSOFT.GER to FIDOSOFT.HUSKY and from INTERNET.GER to INTERNET while changing the writer's address to 1:15/0 and adding an origin line including the same address. I've sent 1:15/0 a netmail asking about that issue, but I haven't received any response yet

:(

That seems to be a different event...

And now we have exact copies.

From a copy in my dupe area:

@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 280/5003 464

Obviously my address wasn't in the seen-by lines when your system received that copy. And you should have received that echomail directly from my system anyway.

The first 2 messages (the rest were dupes of those) seem to come directly from you, only your nodenumber was in the PATH!?

Here they are:

= BAD_MSGS (2:280/464) ========================================================
From : Markus Reschke 2:244/1661 2012-05-10 14:56:02
To : Sergey Dorofeev
Subj : silence is golden =============================================================================== AREA:LINUX
@FMAIL BAD: Message too old (2017-09-11 01:16:59)
@FMAIL SRC: 2:240/1661
@FMAIL DEST: 2:280/464
@MSGID: 2:244/1661 4fabd792
@TZUTC: 0200
@REPLY: 2:5020/12000 4f51e4a6
@PID: Msged/LNX 6.1.2
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 11-12-13
@DATE: 10 May 12 14:56:02
Hi Sergey!

May 10 11:24 2012, Sergey Dorofeev wrote to Markus Reschke:

Have you ever written code for 8 bit CPUs running at 1, 2 or 4 MHz?
The binary header helps to process the message more easy and faster
than ASCII encoded addresses and stuff. And it also reduces the size
of the message. Back in the days of 300 bps modems you could count
the
seconds saved. And RAM was limited too those days.

Linux requires at least 386 CPU (that is 32 bit) from the very birth.

Yep! But Fido is older than linux. BTW you can run linux on a 8 bit CPU using an emulator. That was recently done on an ATmega.

Regards,
Markus

-+-
+ Origin: *** theca tabellaria *** (2:244/1661)
SEEN+BY: 240/77 1120 1661 280/464
@PATH: 240/1661

= BAD_MSGS (2:280/464) ========================================================
From : Markus Reschke 2:240/1661 2014-01-15 19:29:10
To : Joerg Tewes
Subj : vdsl =============================================================================== AREA:NODES.024
@FMAIL BAD: Message too old (2017-09-11 01:16:59)
@FMAIL SRC: 2:240/1661
@FMAIL DEST: 2:280/464
@MSGID: 2:240/1661 52cb022f
@TZUTC: 0100
@REPLY: 2:2437/224.96@fidonet 98713e19
@PID: Msged/LNX 6.1.2
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 11-12-13
@DATE: 15 Jan 14 19:29:10
Hallo Joerg!

2014-01-15 03:00 schrieb Joerg Tewes an Gerrit Kuehn:

Bei VDSL kann man nur noch ISDN buchen wenn man einen Grund nennt
warum man das braucht, und auch nur per Hotline oder im Shop. Imho
nicht im Web.

Beim Anschlu!wechsel von ISDN-only auf Call & Surf wird automatisch der IP-basierte Anschlu! auf der Webseite gew!hlt. Man sieht das erst ganz am Ende und kann es auch nicht !ndern. W!hrend des Bestellvorgangs wird nirgens darauf hingewiesen. Nur bei einem "*" f!r die Tarifinfos ist dann von "IP" die Rede. Die Methode ist schon ziemlich mies. Die wollen halt VoIP durchdr!cken, damit sie das ISDN-Netz abschalten k!nnen. Ich kann's verstehen.

cu,
Markus

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SEEN+BY: 240/77 1120 1661 5832 280/464 5006 2452/250
@PATH: 240/1661

===============================================================================



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Hi Wilfred!

Sep 11 12:59 2017, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Markus Reschke:

Obviously my address wasn't in the seen-by lines when your system
received that copy. And you should have received that echomail
directly from my system anyway.

The first 2 messages (the rest were dupes of those) seem to come directly from you, only your nodenumber was in the PATH!?

I've found those mails in my message base. The strange thing is that they should have been purged long time ago. For whatever reason they seem to be re-emerged from the death. I'll run a msgbase-check.

ciao,
Markus

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Hi Markus!

11 Sep 2017 12:40, from Markus Reschke -> Richard Menedetter:

Sorry, but you've replied to an echomail 5 years old :)

Very strange.
It had a recent date:

==== Begin ====
= linux (2:310/31) ============================================================
Msg : 1349 of 1355
From : Markus Reschke 2:244/1661 10 Sep 2017 17:33
To : Sergey Dorofeev
Subj : silence is golden =============================================================================== @MSGID: 2:244/1661 4fabd792
@TZUTC: 0200
@REPLY: 2:5020/12000 4f51e4a6
@PID: Msged/LNX 6.1.2
@CHRS: LATIN-1 2
@TID: hpt/lnx 1.9.0-cur 11-12-13
Hi Sergey!

-+-
+ Origin: *** theca tabellaria *** (2:244/1661)
SEEN+BY: 15/0 16/101 34/999 90/1 103/705 116/18 120/331 544 123/140 130/20 SEEN+BY: 138/146 140/1 3 153/7715 154/10 203/0 218/700 220/60 221/0
SEEN+BY: 221/1 6 360 222/2 230/150 240/1120 1661 5832 249/303 250/1
SEEN+BY: 261/38 100 1466 266/404 512 267/155 275/100 280/464 1027 2020
SEEN+BY: 280/5003 5006 5268 282/1031 1056 288/34 292/624 854 908 310/31 SEEN+BY: 320/119 219 340/400 342/17 77 393/68 75 396/45 423/120 712/848 SEEN+BY: 770/1 801/161 189 2320/100 105 3634/12 3828/7 5020/545 715
SEEN+BY: 5020/1042
@PATH: 240/1661 1120 261/38 140/1 221/0 1 280/5003 464

==== End ====

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Wilfred,

On Mon Sep 11 2017 09:20:06, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Markus Reschke:

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

I thought this was something 140/1 has openly admitted in the past?

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hi Nicholas,

On 2017-09-11 16:50:54, you wrote to me:

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

I thought this was something 140/1 has openly admitted in the past?

I don't remember. But if he did, why didn't he fix it already?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Markus!

10 May 2012 14:56, Markus Reschke wrote to Sergey Dorofeev:

of the message. Back in the days of 300 bps modems you could count
the seconds saved. And RAM was limited too those days.

Linux requires at least 386 CPU (that is 32 bit) from the very birth.

Yep! But Fido is older than linux. BTW you can run linux on a 8 bit
CPU using an emulator. That was recently done on an ATmega.

linux can run on a plain c64, yes 32bit is not needed to make irc
chats, more bits is not needed if it was you proberly use 32bit
keyboard tables without need to use unicode :=)

damm i hate old cpus :)


Regards Benny

... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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Hello Wilfred,

On Tue Sep 12 2017 08:43:42, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

I thought this was something 140/1 has openly admitted in the
past?

I don't remember. But if he did, why didn't he fix it already?

Fix what? If I remember right, he does it on purpose and uses a specific program to do so!

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hi Nicholas,

On 2017-09-12 16:29:56, you wrote to me:

So either 140/1 or 221/0 is changing dates! :-(

I thought this was something 140/1 has openly admitted in the
past?

I don't remember. But if he did, why didn't he fix it already?

Fix what? If I remember right, he does it on purpose and uses a specific program to do so!

I don't understand why you would want to change in transit mail in this way? And confuse downstream dupe checking?

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hello Wilfred,

On Wed Sep 13 2017 09:09:34, Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Nicholas Boel:

Fix what? If I remember right, he does it on purpose and uses a
specific program to do so!

I don't understand why you would want to change in transit mail in
this way? And confuse downstream dupe checking?

That one I can not answer. But I'd love to know the answer if you would get a valid answer from him. ;)

Regards,
Nick

... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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Hi Nicholas,

On 2017-09-13 15:45:54, you wrote to me:

I don't understand why you would want to change in transit mail in
this way? And confuse downstream dupe checking?

That one I can not answer. But I'd love to know the answer if you would

get

a valid answer from him. ;)

And btw more importantly confuse readers, because they think they reply to a current message, while it could be years old. As happend in this case...

Bye, Wilfred.

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Hi Benny!

12 Sep 2017 19:00, from Benny Pedersen -> Markus Reschke:

linux can run on a plain c64

??
The linux kernel as is can run on a MOS6510 with 64KB of RAM and no MMU???

I know LuNix ... the "linux" for lunatics on the C64, but that is not Linux, but a Unix like OS for the C64.

CU, Ricsi

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