Howdy all *nix users,

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??
Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

I was in for one of the great surprises yesterday.

One of my 3.5" diskettes showed signs of getting tired, so I decided to
make a diskcopy to get the contents on a fresh media.

To my great surprise there was no such a function included in Win 10!

To make a copy of that diskette....

I had to close down Windows and re-start the machine with a pure (PC)DOS diskette, to do the simple operation of creating a copy of that old one,
while it was still readable


Regards,

Holger


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Hello Holger!

28 Nov 16, Holger Granholm wrote to All:

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??

Yes, it's called dd. Check

man dd

for details. dd is a file copy program but within *nix everythings could be seen as a file. If you read the device name directly it's just like reading a file, including FAT and other data.

Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

If you have two floppy drives, they are usually /dev/fd0 and /dev/fd1

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

would copy directy from drive 0 to 1.

of (=out file) could be a file name if you don't have two drives.

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img

then you have to change the disk and find out how you bring the file image back
to the disk.

If you want to copy the files only, try cp or rsync.

One of my 3.5" diskettes showed signs of getting tired, so I decided
to make a diskcopy to get the contents on a fresh media.

There is no fresh media for floppy disks anymore. The error rate for new ones is aprox. 5 to 10% or you have to pay industry prices. Take the signs as a reason to backup all data of all your remaining disks. More failures will follow.

To my great surprise there was no such a function included in Win 10!

Well, buy a Win10 ready computer, you will be surprised, there isn't a floppy drive in there either.

Regards

Kai

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Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??
Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

Absolutly :) it's called dd

Put your floppy in the drive and sudo dd if=/dev/fd0 of=diskname.img

dd is a universal tool.. it will read/write any image format plus all sorts
of other neat and dangerous stuff if you dont know how to use it :D

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Hej Holger!

Mandag 28. November 2016 kl.09:46 skrev Holger Granholm til All:

Howdy all *nix users,

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??

man dd

Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

why not stick to just use zip ?

I was in for one of the great surprises yesterday.

how ?

One of my 3.5" diskettes showed signs of getting tired, so I decided
to make a diskcopy to get the contents on a fresh media.

harddest part is to find a usb floppy drive now, and then begin make zip files of the content files on floppy

To my great surprise there was no such a function included in Win 10!

bah

To make a copy of that diskette....

try fileziia (ftp client program, works well to this job)

I had to close down Windows and re-start the machine with a pure
(PC)DOS diskette, to do the simple operation of creating a copy of
that old one, while it was still readable

have you searched in windows 10 apps ?

and lastly Copy + Paste do work even with floppy !

if you dont like it, try http://www.gpsoft.com.au/ directoryOpus


Benny

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Hi Kai,

On 2016-11-30 04:17:16, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

If you have two floppy drives, they are usually /dev/fd0 and /dev/fd1

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

You better add 'conv=noerrors,sync' to that if you want a better chance to end up with a usable disk in case of read errors!

Or even better use 'ddrescue' if you suspect there will be bad source disks...

Bye, Wilfred.

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In a message on Wednesday 11-29-16 Dave Vandermeer said to Holger
Granholm:

Hello Dave,

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??
Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

Absolutly :) it's called dd

Put your floppy in the drive and sudo dd if=/dev/fd0 of=diskname.img

Thanks for the info. I was really disappointed that it wasn't available
in Win10. The XPpro I have in a laptop, still does have diskcopy.

Dunno about versions between XP and 10, since I haven't had them.

dd is a universal tool.. it will read/write any image format plus
all sorts of other neat and dangerous stuff if you dont know how to
use it :D

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Have a good evening,

Holger


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In a message on Wednesday 11-30-16 Kai Richter said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Kai,

28 Nov 16, Holger Granholm wrote to All:

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??

Yes, it's called dd. Check

man dd

for details. dd is a file copy program but within *nix everythings
could be seen as a file. If you read the device name directly it's
just like reading a file, including FAT and other data.

Thanks for the comprehensive explanation.

If you have two floppy drives, they are usually /dev/fd0 and
/dev/fd1

Actually I have even three in my office machine. I have one of those
Teac double disk drives, with a 5,25" floppy and 3,5" diskette drive,
intended to be A: and B:.

I did however rewire the pin block, and added a switch, so that I can,
switch either of them to be an A: drive.

In addition I have a 3,5" drive as B:.

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

would copy directy from drive 0 to 1.

of (=out file) could be a file name if you don't have two drives.

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=floppy.img

then you have to change the disk and find out how you bring the file
image back to the disk.

If you want to copy the files only, try cp or rsync.

I'll have to save this message for future use.
I have nothing against learning a new operating system, but the only
thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

There is no fresh media for floppy disks anymore. The error rate for
new ones is aprox. 5 to 10% or you have to pay industry prices. Take
the signs as a reason to backup all data of all your remaining
disks. More failures will follow.

So far I have recirculated the old Windows and OS/2 installation
diskettes, and reformatted them. There are plenty of them.

I know that a safer media is USB sticks, as long as you don't abuse them
by writing too many times on them.

Well, buy a Win10 ready computer, you will be surprised, there isn't
a floppy drive in there either.

Yes I know, that's why I bought a machine with Win 7, and upgraded it to
Win10.


Have a good morning,

Holger


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Thanks for the info. I was really disappointed that it wasn't available
in Win10. The XPpro I have in a laptop, still does have diskcopy.

Dunno about versions between XP and 10, since I haven't had them.

You can get the DD command that works on windows as well, does the same job, uses Cygwin I do believe.. google it and check it out

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Nice to see Pi at work!

I have 2 Raspberry Pi 3b's, one runs the BBS, the other is my play toy for development .. working on a source based distribution based on Linux From Scratch .. I love the flexability.. toolchain is built, almost ready to
sandbox to start building the final system.. the kernal is going to be tricky .. I dont know anyone that has successfully built a working kernel .. I might have to use the raspberry pi foundation's pre-build kernel and firmware

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Hello Benny!

30 Nov 16, Benny Pedersen wrote to Holger Granholm:

harddest part is to find a usb floppy drive now,

Only if you can't use some of that modern things called internet.
It's 8,78 on one of the bigger marketplaces. You milage may vary between 10-100. It can be plugged into modern computers via usb easily.
Booting may be a problem if your BIOS doesn't support it.

The hardest part is reading old disks from old drives with a new drive.

Regards

Kai

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30 Nov 16 10:50, you wrote to Kai Richter:

I have nothing against learning a new operating system, but the only
thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

you learn very quickly to keep your fingers off that damned shift key when typing... proper case has its place but it is not in source code or file systems ;) :lol:

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Hello Dave!

01 Dec 16 01:06, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

I have 2 Raspberry Pi 3b's, one runs the BBS, the other is my play toy
for development .. working on a source based distribution based on

These little things are great fun aren't they? I use one for a test BBS (MBSE / Golded) as well as a small web server. The second one here is used for
Retropie distrib, as well as a kodi add on.

Shawn

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In a message on Thursday 11-30-16 Benny Pedersen said to Holger Granholm:

God dag unge mand,

Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

why not stick to just use zip ?

I started using computers in 1982, and after a spell with CP/M,
I migrated to the PC world in 1992.

From that year on I have zipped all files larger than 2 kb!

harddest part is to find a usb floppy drive now, and then begin make
zip files of the content files on floppy

The USB floppy drives are useless! They work very poorly with the power
that is supplied by the USB port.

I had to close down Windows and re-start the machine with a pure
(PC)DOS diskette, to do the simple operation of creating a copy of
that old one, while it was still readable

have you searched in windows 10 apps ?

NO, because diskcopy has been included with all operating systems since
CP/M, and was still included in the Windows XP.

That was the previous version of Windows, that I used.

if you dont like it, try http://www.gpsoft.com.au/ directoryOpus

WHY? I have XTree for DOS, ZTBold for OS/2 and ZTreeWin for Windows.

No "*Tree" available for *nix systems.


Ha en bra dag, og en God Jul,

Holger


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In a message on Thursday 11-30-16 Wilfred van Velzen said to Kai Richter:

Hi Wilfred,

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

You better add 'conv=noerrors,sync' to that if you want a better
chance to end up with a usable disk in case of read errors!

Or even better use 'ddrescue' if you suspect there will be bad
source disks...

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?


Have a good day,

Holger


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Hi,

On 2016-12-01 09:38:00, Holger Granholm wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:
about: "Re: Diskcopy":

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

You better add 'conv=noerrors,sync' to that if you want a better
chance to end up with a usable disk in case of read errors!

Or even better use 'ddrescue' if you suspect there will be bad
source disks...

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't translate to linux! ;)

But 'dd' should be available on any. 'ddrescue' is less common. And on my distribution it's named 'gnu_ddrescue', and not installed by default...

Bye, Wilfred.


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Hello Holger!

01 Dec 16 09:38, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

You can treat the various LIVE dvd's for *nix's as installs and alot of stuff will run...

On Debian/Ubunutu/Mint/Zorin ones you can:

sudo apt-get install ddrescue

And run it from there...

Or you use something like this:

SystemResuceCD which is a live distro with a whole host of stuff for this including ddrescue

https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage

dd the command which ddresuce and others present a nice GUI of sort to is at least on *buntu's installed by default. Confirmed with a couple of the recent VM's I have setup , and I didn't install it.. and its there.




Rick


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02 Dec 16 10:36, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't translate
to linux! ;)

* = ANY string , ie: U or Li , thus *nix does translate to Linux or Unix.

*nix is a common colloquial abbreviation for either Unix or Linux. In the past with the multiple versions of Unices it might have been more common for a striaght forward *nix to be referring to only Unices, after 1991 with Linux around, that is not the case.


Rick


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Hi,

On 2016-12-02 08:09:34, Rick Christian wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:
about: "Diskcopy":

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't
translate
to linux! ;)

* = ANY string , ie: U or Li , thus *nix does translate to Linux or Unix.

Nope, that would be Linix, not Linux! ;)

Bye, Wilfred.


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01 Dec 16 09:38, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

if you dont like it, try http://www.gpsoft.com.au/ directoryOpus

WHY? I have XTree for DOS, ZTBold for OS/2 and ZTreeWin for Windows.

No "*Tree" available for *nix systems.

in most cases, folks that require some sort of file manager tool and prefer a text based one will use midnight commander (aka mc)... it is designed after norton commander (aka nc)... there are other GUI based ones, though... they don't have to have a name that one is familiar with as long as they look and act similar to what one wants... it doesn't take much to learn something new when one has to ;)

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01 Dec 16 09:38, you wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen:

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

all basic *nix commands are available... some things, like the mentioned "ddrescue" are addons that you can install separately...

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* An ongoing debate between Holger Granholm and Kai Richter rages on ...

I have a DOS/Win version of the linux dd command if you need it:

=== Cut ===
Usage: dd [OPERAND]...
or: dd OPTION

Copy a file, converting and formatting according to the operands.

bs=BYTES force ibs=BYTES and obs=BYTES
cbs=BYTES convert BYTES bytes at a time
conv=CONVS convert the file as per the comma separated symbol list
count=BLOCKS copy only BLOCKS input blocks
ibs=BYTES read BYTES bytes at a time
if=FILE read from FILE instead of stdin
iflag=FLAGS read as per the comma separated symbol list
obs=BYTES write BYTES bytes at a time
of=FILE write to FILE instead of stdout
oflag=FLAGS write as per the comma separated symbol list
seek=BLOCKS skip BLOCKS obs-sized blocks at start of output
skip=BLOCKS skip BLOCKS ibs-sized blocks at start of input
status=noxfer suppress transfer statistics

BLOCKS and BYTES may be followed by the following multiplicative suffixes:
xM M, c 1, w 2, b 512, kB 1000, K 1024, MB 1000*1000, M 1024*1024,
GB 1000*1000*1000, G 1024*1024*1024, and so on for T, P, E, Z, Y.

Each CONV symbol may be:

ascii from EBCDIC to ASCII
ebcdic from ASCII to EBCDIC
ibm from ASCII to alternate EBCDIC
block pad newline-terminated records with spaces to cbs-size
unblock replace trailing spaces in cbs-size records with newline
lcase change upper case to lower case
nocreat do not create the output file
excl fail if the output file already exists
notrunc do not truncate the output file
ucase change lower case to upper case
swab swap every pair of input bytes
noerror continue after read errors
sync pad every input block with NULs to ibs-size; when used
with block or unblock, pad with spaces rather than NULs
fdatasync physically write output file data before finishing
fsync likewise, but also write metadata

Each FLAG symbol may be:

append append mode (makes sense only for output)
sync likewise, but also for metadata
nonblock use non-blocking I/O

Sending a SIGUSR1 signal to a running `dd' process makes it
print I/O statistics to standard error, then to resume copying.

$ dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null& pid=$!
$ kill -USR1 $pid; sleep 1; kill $pid
18335302+0 records in
18335302+0 records out
9387674624 bytes (9.4 GB) copied, 34.6279 seconds, 271 MB/s

Options are:

--help display this help and exit
--version output version information and exit

Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>.
=== Cut ===

Yes I know, that's why I bought a machine with Win 7, and upgraded it
to Win10.

I also have DOS/Wins versions of most of the drive imaging programs for floppy diskettes if that would help. :)

http://cmech.dynip.com/homepage/fdimage.zip


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Holger Granholm wrote to All <=-

@MSGID: <5841FEA0.1152.fido-linux@freeway.apana.org.au>
Howdy all *nix users,

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??
Yes, I do still use the old ones I have saved stuff on!

Use dd, you can copy from disk to disk, disk to file or file to disk, or even file to file. :)

I was in for one of the great surprises yesterday.

One of my 3.5" diskettes showed signs of getting tired, so I decided to make a diskcopy to get the contents on a fresh media.

If you just want to make a backup:

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=myback.img bs=16384

Or if you have 2 floppy drives and want to copy directly from disk to disk

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1 bs=16384

See man dd for details. I've just picked a smallish block size, making it equal to the number of bytes on a track would be most efficient.


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In a message on Friday 12-01-16 Dave Vandermeer said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Dave,

Thanks for the info. I was really disappointed that it wasn't available
in Win10. The XPpro I have in a laptop, still does have diskcopy.

You can get the DD command that works on windows as well, does the
same job, uses Cygwin I do believe.. google it and check it out

Thanks, I may check Cygwin out, but mostly I use OS/2, and diskcopy is
included in that, both as an OS/2 and as a DOS version.

There may however be other useful things/commands in Cygwin.


Have a good night,

Holger


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In a message on Friday 12-01-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Mark,

thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

you learn very quickly to keep your fingers off that damned shift
key when typing... proper case has its place but it is not in source
code or file systems ;) :lol:

That may be true, but I don't like starting a new sentence, or a name
with a lower case letter.

Maybe there's still too much grammar in my head.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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In a message on Friday 11-30-16 Kai Richter said to Benny Pedersen:

Hi Kai,

The hardest part is reading old disks from old drives with a new
drive.

That is especially true for 360 kb floppies, in a 1.2 Mb drive.


Have a nice evening,

Holger


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Hello Holger!

30 Nov 16, Holger Granholm wrote to Kai Richter:

Actually I have even three in my office machine.

Wow! ;)

How about 5,25" disks, are the available anymore?

I have nothing against learning a new operating system, but the only
thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

Well, once you get used to it, it can have advantages. Together with TAB command line completion it could make things easier.

I know that a safer media is USB sticks, as long as you don't abuse
them by writing too many times on them.

Safer than floppy, yes. Sadly USB memory hasn't relialable pre-failure warnings. If the controler on the USB memory breaks then everything is gone.

Regards

Kai

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02 Dec 16 09:43, you wrote to me:

thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

you learn very quickly to keep your fingers off that damned shift key
when typing... proper case has its place but it is not in source code
or file systems ;) :lol:

That may be true, but I don't like starting a new sentence, or a name
with a lower case letter.

Maybe there's still too much grammar in my head.

hahahaha! i hear that... but the thing is that file names are not proper names like human names... that distinction was never made when we were in school... because there weren't really such things as file names at that time... not like
there are today ;)

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In a message on Saturday 12-02-16 Rick Christian said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Rick,

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

You can treat the various LIVE dvd's for *nix's as installs and alot
of stuff will run...

On Debian/Ubunutu/Mint/Zorin ones you can:

sudo apt-get install ddrescue

Excuse a dumb question. Does that mean that I install that 'ddrescue'
somewhere in my machine, and/or that it is imported from the net?

Or you use something like this:

SystemResuceCD which is a live distro with a whole host of stuff for
this including ddrescue

https://www.system-rescue-cd.org/SystemRescueCd_Homepage

OK, after correcting that CD name ;o)

dd the command which ddresuce and others present a nice GUI of sort
to is at least on *buntu's installed by default. Confirmed with a
couple of the recent VM's I have setup , and I didn't install it..
and its there.

Thanks for the advice and info.

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President Trump!

I willnot collect that tag!


Have a nice day,

Holger


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In a message on Saturday 12-02-16 Wilfred van Velzen said to Holger
Granholm:

Hello Wilfred,

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't
translate to linux! ;)

Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux operating
system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use.

Glad to enlighten you.

But 'dd' should be available on any. 'ddrescue' is less common. And
on my distribution it's named 'gnu_ddrescue', and not installed by default...

OK.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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In a message on Saturday 12-02-16 Ben Ritchey said to Holger Granholm:

* An ongoing debate between Holger Granholm and Kai Richter rages on
...

I have a DOS/Win version of the linux dd command if you need it:

=== Cut ===
Usage: dd [OPERAND]...
or: dd OPTION

I have saved this comprehensive information to a *nix directory I have.

Report bugs to <bug-coreutils@gnu.org>.
=== Cut ===

I also have DOS/Wins versions of most of the drive imaging programs
for floppy diskettes if that would help. :)

http://cmech.dynip.com/homepage/fdimage.zip

I gather that I could grab that file from the above home page.

I think that I may still discover missing programs in Win10, so having a collection of usable programs will help.

OTOH, Windows isn't my main operating system, OS/2 is.

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In a message on Saturday 12-02-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Mark,

if you dont like it, try http://www.gpsoft.com.au/ directoryOpus

WHY? I have XTree for DOS, ZTBold for OS/2 and ZTreeWin for Windows.
No "*Tree" available for *nix systems.

in most cases, folks that require some sort of file manager tool and
prefer a text based one will use midnight commander (aka mc)... it
is designed after norton commander (aka nc)... there are other GUI

I think I may have some file manager for *nix systems too, otherwise
it's easy enough to grab one.

I don't need a GUI based one though. Actually I prefer text based ones.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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03 Dec 16 09:34, you wrote to Rick Christian:

On Debian/Ubunutu/Mint/Zorin ones you can:

sudo apt-get install ddrescue

Excuse a dumb question. Does that mean that I install that 'ddrescue' somewhere in my machine, and/or that it is imported from the net?

yes and yes... it is pulled out of the debian repository and installed on your machine where they designate it to be installed... then it is available for use...

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Thanks, I may check Cygwin out, but mostly I use OS/2, and diskcopy is included in that, both as an OS/2 and as a DOS version.

There may however be other useful things/commands in Cygwin.

Cygwin is a complete unix bash environment for windows. It can even run the X window system.. it's handy for using *nix based tools on windows platform

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I think I may have some file manager for *nix systems too, otherwise
it's easy enough to grab one.

Best console based filemanager for linux is Midnight Commander. (package name on any linux distro is mc)

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Holger Granholm wrote to Wilfred Van Velzen <=-

How much of those commands are available on a *nix demo CD?

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't
translate to linux! ;)

Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux operating system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use.

*nix also includes non Linux OSs such as the various BSD flavours of Unix.


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In a message on Sunday 12-03-16 Kai Richter said to Holger Granholm:

Guten morgen Kai,

Here, dec. 3rd was a saturday!

Actually I have even three in my office machine.

How about 5,25" disks, are the available anymore?

I don't think so, except in my cupboard!

thing I hated and didn't like about *nix was the case sensitivity.

Well, once you get used to it, it can have advantages. Together with
TAB command line completion it could make things easier.

Maybe, and to confuse others it's great.

I know that a safer media is USB sticks, as long as you don't abuse

Safer than floppy, yes. Sadly USB memory hasn't relialable
pre-failure warnings. If the controler on the USB memory breaks then everything is gone.

The same goes for CD's and DVD's. They are also "kind of" safe, but they
are susceptible to ageing.

Printed on acid-free paper, is the safest method to preserve text info,
but it's kind of difficult (cumbersome) to use that for program files.

Just see the old writings on pergament, and writings in in church- or law-books. They are still there after hundreds of years.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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In a message on Sunday 12-03-16 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Tony,

Howdy all *nix users,

Is there a diskcopy function available on a *nix system??

Use dd, you can copy from disk to disk, disk to file or file to
disk, or even file to file. :)

I was in for one of the great surprises yesterday.

One of my 3.5" diskettes showed signs of getting tired, so I decided
to make a diskcopy to get the contents on a fresh media.

If you just want to make a backup:

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=myback.img bs=16384

Or if you have 2 floppy drives and want to copy directly from disk
to disk

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1 bs=16384

And if I have only one disk drive?
Doing a diskcopy in DOS or OS/2, I just diskcopy from a: to b: .


Have a nice evening,

Holger


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In a message on Sunday 12-03-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Hi Mark,

you learn very quickly to keep your fingers off that damned shift key
when typing... proper case has its place but it is not in source code
or file systems ;) :lol:

Maybe there's still too much grammar in my head.

hahahaha! i hear that... but the thing is that file names are not
proper names like human names... that distinction was never made
when we were in school... because there weren't really such things
as file names at that time... not like there are today ;)

That's right. I wouldn't start a file name with an upper case letter,
unless it would be to confuse a user of a case sensitive system, <BG>.

OTOH, neither DOS, nor OS/2, are case sensitive.


Have a nice day,

Holger


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I think I may have some file manager for *nix systems too, otherwise it's easy enough to grab one.

Best console based filemanager for linux is Midnight Commander. (package name >on any linux distro is mc)

I second Dave's recommendation. Have used it since I first became a linux user, which was at least 15 years ago.

Mike

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AREA:LINUX
03 Dec 16 09:34, you wrote to me:

Excuse a dumb question. Does that mean that I install that 'ddrescue' somewhere in my machine, and/or that it is imported from the net?

APT is a system for installing software on Debian based systems ie: Zorin, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, KUbuntua, and others.

see:

http://www.tutonics.com/2012/10/a-faq-style-introduction-to-apt-get-and.html


https://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html

8.1.2 APT

APT is the Advanced Package Tool, an advanced interface to the Debian packaging
system which provides the apt-get program. It provides commandline tools for searching and managing packages, and for querying information about them, as well as low-level access to all features of the libapt-pkg library. For more information, see the User's Guide in /usr/share/doc/apt-doc/guide.html/index.html (you will have to install the apt-doc package).

Starting with Debian Jessie, some frequently used apt-get and apt-cache commands have an equivalent via the new apt binary. This means some popular commands like apt-get update, apt-get install, apt-get remove, apt-cache search, or apt-cache show now can also be called simply via apt, say apt update, apt install, apt remove, apt search, or apt show. The following is an overview of the old and new commands:

apt-get update -> apt update
apt-get upgrade -> apt upgrade
apt-get dist-upgrade -> apt full-upgrade
apt-get install package -> apt install package
apt-get remove package -> apt remove package
apt-get autoremove -> apt autoremove
apt-cache search string -> apt search string
apt-cache policy package -> apt list -a package
apt-cache show package -> apt show package
apt-cache showpkg package -> apt show -a package


APT can get prorgrams from the repo be it locally, CD/DVD, or via repos via the
internet, all depends on how you set it up.

I keep DVD's of KUbuntu 12.04, 14.04 with the FULL repo on hand so that I can install stuff.

Some VPS providers create their own local copies of the all or some of the repos to reduce VPS's pulling this stuff down constantly and wasting the bandwidth...

Mostly commonly yes, it pulls it from the internet based repos of the distro of
choice.


Rick


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AREA:LINUX

Cygwin is a complete unix bash environment for windows. It can even
run the X window system.. it's handy for using *nix based tools on
windows platform

I've never seen cygwin touted as a "complete" BASH setup.. the base package provides a BASH shell, and the basic file stuff, etc... but not a complete *NIX
environment.

cygwun has always been touted as a close enough to a real *Nix system to do alot of things that a real *Nix system could.. and with addons like Cygwin/X you could do X windowing.

I've found that keeping a USB stick with XMING, and putty around works better when things are so horked up on a system you can't boot a USB stick with a REAL
OS and bypass the diseases on them... Just start putty, XMING and XDMCP via SSH
back to a real box. I use that as the last resort if I can't get my USB stick to boot. Work on my boxes from any where in the world!

Rick


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Hi Holger!

04 Dec 2016 11:47, from Holger Granholm -> Tony Langdon:

If you just want to make a backup:
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=myback.img bs=16384

Or if you have 2 floppy drives and want to copy directly from disk
to disk
dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1 bs=16384

And if I have only one disk drive?
Doing a diskcopy in DOS or OS/2, I just diskcopy from a: to b: .

See the backup case above.
Simply change the disk in your drive, and write back the image that you just made.

Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux
operating system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use.

No.
Unix is not Linux and Linux is not Unix.
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

Linux is a Unix like operating sysstem.

CU, Ricsi

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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

And if I have only one disk drive?

copy to a file then back (to a new disk). :)


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05 Dec 16 09:51, you wrote to Holger Granholm:

No.
Unix is not Linux

How does *nix imply in any way that it is!?????!!!????

and Linux is not Unix.

See above.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix

Linux is a Unix like operating sysstem.

And that doesn't make your case any stronger or at all that *nix is not a suitable string for referencing Linux, Unices or BSD..

And hint... Linux has more to do with MINIX than anything...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MINIX
Relationship with Linux
Early influence

The design principles Tanenbaum applied to MINIX greatly influenced the design decisions Linus Torvalds applied in the creation of the Linux kernel.[citation needed] Torvalds used and appreciated MINIX,[15] but his design deviated from the MINIX architecture in significant ways, most notably by employing a monolithic kernel instead of a microkernel. This was disapproved of by Tanenbaum in the Tanenbaum-Torvalds debate.

I personally don't see any leg for your argument against *nix as a good, no GREAT shorthand for Linux, Unices, or BSD. They are all related in very healthy
dosages to each other..just as crap, dumb, useless, insert other perjorative of
choice for some other alleged PC based "OS." I have some other choice words for
some other crapple, I don't care how much of it was/is from BSD... that only saves it from getting the same treatment as something else posing as an OS.

This has been settled anyway in that the mainstream usage of *nix referes to LINUX and UNICES.

Rick


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In a message on Monday 12-04-16 mark lewis said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Mark,

On Debian/Ubunutu/Mint/Zorin ones you can:

sudo apt-get install ddrescue

Excuse a dumb question. Does that mean that I install that 'ddrescue' somewhere in my machine, and/or that it is imported from the net?

yes and yes... it is pulled out of the debian repository and
installed on your machine where they designate it to be installed...
then it is available for use...

Thank you so much for the advice. I'll try to follow that.


Have a good night,

Holger


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In a message on Monday 12-04-16 Dave Vandermeer said to Holger Granholm:

Thanks Dave,

Cygwin is a complete unix bash environment for windows. It can even
run the X window system.. it's handy for using *nix based tools on
windows platform

for the valuable information about Cygwin.


Have a good day,

Holger


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In a message on Monday 12-05-16 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Good morning Tony,

I don't know what you mean with '*nix demo CD'. *nix doesn't
translate to linux! ;)

Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux
operating system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use

*nix also includes non Linux OSs such as the various BSD flavours of
Unix.

OK, but Wilfred likes to mark words ....


Have a nice day,

Holger


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Hi Rick!

05 Dec 2016 23:42, from Rick Christian -> Richard Menedetter:

No.
Unix is not Linux

How does *nix imply in any way that it is!?????!!!????

Holger wrote:
"Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux operating
system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use."

That is how.

CU, Ricsi

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Hello Richard!

06 Dec 16 09:48, you wrote to me:

"Everybody else seems to understand, that *nix means the Linux
operating system that all these Ubuntu/Debian/Zorin/RedHat etc. use."

That is how.

Fail, you are not making any case that

*Nix translates that Linux AND Unix are ONE IN THE SAME OS.

*nix translates as a short hand for Linux OR Unix as it could be either. Or it could be Minix too!

You are trying to confligrate this into your own little pedantic nonsense.

The greater good of humanity has deteremined that *nix is a short hand to represent Linux or Unix... It has NOTHING to do with the likeness or not or the
equaity or not of those OS's...

I've been round the Unices of the time far longer the Linices of today...and probably a good deal longer than you. And *nix could mean any of the Unices, after 91 with the introduction of Linux, and later with it gaining a greater foothold, *nix added in Linux.

*nix = shorthad for Unices or Linux.. You don't have to like it.. you do HAVE TO LIVE WITH IT! As its pretty much SOP.

Its like many things can have the wrong meaning with shorthand or abbreviations.. DRM for exameple that can go two ways in the PC realm, and one is not a positive thing! Context is pretty much the only determination...

Many places will state that Using a *nix like OS to do something, and there normally are caveats as there can and are slight differences to some things on Unix v. Linux, but in general another reason that *nix is accepted as shorthand
for Unices or Linuses is that they are similar.. Similar is not the same or equal.

Enjoy:

*nix *nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix*nix


Rick


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In a message on Tuesday 12-05-16 Rick Christian said to Holger Granholm:

Hello Rick,

Excuse a dumb question. Does that mean that I install that 'ddrescue' somewhere in my machine, and/or that it is imported from the net?

APT is a system for installing software on Debian based systems ie:
Zorin, Ubuntu, Debian, Mint, KUbuntua, and others.

see:

http://www.tutonics.com/2012/10/a-faq-style-introduction-to-apt-get-and.html

Thanks for the instructions, they are saved now.

APT can get prorgrams from the repo be it locally, CD/DVD, or via
repos via the internet, all depends on how you set it up.

Have a good night,

Holger


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In a message on Tuesday 12-05-16 Tony Langdon said to Holger Granholm:

Good evening Tony,

And if I have only one disk drive?

copy to a file then back (to a new disk). :)

That's how I do it now, to refresh disks that show (sound), like they
are difficult to read. B4 copying back, I reformat the disk.


Have a good night,

Holger


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Holger Granholm wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

That's how I do it now, to refresh disks that show (sound), like they
are difficult to read. B4 copying back, I reformat the disk.

Yeah, that should help.


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for the valuable information about Cygwin.

Sure np.. Give it a whirl and see how dizzy you get lol

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30 Nov 16 08:43, you wrote to Kai Richter:

If you have two floppy drives, they are usually /dev/fd0 and
/dev/fd1

dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/dev/fd1

You better add 'conv=noerrors,sync' to that if you want a better chance
to end up with a usable disk in case of read errors!

Or even better use 'ddrescue' if you suspect there will be bad source disks...

Answering an old thread here, but Safecopy is also worth a look. I've used it to copy scratched optical media, but the docs say it can also copy floppy diskettes.

"safecopy is a data recovery tool which tries to extract as much data as possible from a problematic (i.e. damaged sectors) source - like floppy drives,
hard disk partitions, CDs, tape devices, ..., where other tools like dd would fail due to I/O errors."

http://safecopy.sourceforge.net/

In Ubuntu you can install it with "apt-get install safecopy".

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