• Zorin OS

    From Barry Davis Jr@1:300/5 to All on Fri Nov 25 03:08:00 2016
    What are your opinions on this distro? I am thinking about changing my server machine over to some flavor of Linux but I am a beginner using it.



    Barry G. Davis, Jr.
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Barry Davis Jr on Fri Nov 25 15:36:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Barry!

    25 Nov 2016 03:08:00, you wrote to All:

    What are your opinions on this distro? I am thinking about
    changing my server machine over to some flavor of Linux but
    I am a beginner using it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then you'd rather choose something more popular. https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/download/ could be a good start.

    Also, you may like to try it on a workstation first.


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  • From Tony@2:250/4 to Alexey Vissarionov on Fri Nov 25 15:58:20 2016
    My suggestion is Ubuntu for hom eusers and Debian for server stuffs.

    Thanks

    Tony

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tony on Fri Nov 25 13:04:20 2016

    25 Nov 16 15:58, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    My suggestion is Ubuntu for hom eusers and Debian for server stuffs.

    ubuntu has server oriented, too... it is what i use for my servers... all command line... no GUI at all :)

    )\/(ark

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  • From Kai Richter@2:240/1351.7 to Barry Davis Jr on Sat Nov 26 02:06:28 2016
    Hello Barry!

    25 Nov 16, Barry Davis Jr wrote to All:

    I am thinking about changing my server machine over to some flavor of Linux

    Why?

    but I am a beginner using it.

    Test several distros with virtual or real machines first. Find the one you like
    to use. Standard software is available on any *nix distro. Basics for all *nix distros is to learn how to handle the package management. To get an overview:

    http://distrowatch.com/dwres.php?resource=package-management

    For fidonet stuff you may need to compile your own software.

    Regards

    Kai

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  • From Tony@2:250/4 to mark lewis on Fri Nov 25 22:38:20 2016
    Well Mark, you know, is everything relative :-) Ubuntu servers as well are
    good like CentOS or Debian...full CLI from my side as well :-)

    Thanks

    Tony

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Tony on Sun Nov 27 12:05:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Tony!

    25 Nov 2016 15:58:20, you wrote to me:

    My suggestion is Ubuntu for hom eusers and Debian for server stuffs.

    Very destructive suggestion, I'd say...

    However, I really like the idiots who use these toy systems.


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Nov 27 04:12:50 2016
    Hello Alexey,

    On 27 Nov 16 12:05, Alexey Vissarionov wrote to Tony:

    Very destructive suggestion, I'd say...

    Sure, why not.

    However, I really like the idiots who use these toy systems.

    Not everyone cares to use Fedora and it's shitty RPM package management system (that was actually light years behind the game up until 5+ years ago). Sorry to
    say, but your favorite distro isn't loved by everyone, and if you think they're
    "idiots" because of it, that's your own problem, and not ours. Quit blowing on your thumb, your head will explode!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to Kai Richter on Sun Nov 27 12:11:22 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Kai!

    26 Nov 2016 02:06:28, you wrote to Barry Davis Jr:

    For fidonet stuff you may need to compile your own software.

    http://download.huskyproject.org/linux/
    http://download.binkd.org/linux/

    Everything else (that means, golded or other your favourite editor) may be built with one single command.


    --
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  • From Rick Christian@1:135/377 to Barry Davis Jr on Sun Nov 27 08:03:14 2016

    Hello Barry!

    25 Nov 16 03:08, you wrote to all:

    What are your opinions on this distro? I am thinking about changing
    my server machine over to some flavor of Linux but I am a beginner
    using it.

    When you say "server" what is YOUR use of this server?

    When you say that to me that means a LAMP server L-inux A-pache M-ysql P-hp which is in essence the basics for server up web pages that you commonly see.

    Apache is the web server http daemon
    MySQL is the database if you need it a lot of stuff needs that now days
    Php is one language used to create pages, along with HTML, ECMAScript, etc..

    Or is this some other server??? What task are you planning for this "server"

    ZOrin is just a Ubuntu repacked with an emphasis on the GUI to be similar to such garbage as winslbber and macrapple (which its current flavor is BSD *derived*)

    If you have no intention of using it for any GUI stuff, I would stick to the main release Ubuntu Server and go... Debian is another good choice but you could be hampered with issues regarding their DFSG policy on some things.

    Personally I would stay AWAY from:

    Gentto - everything has to be compiled
    Red Hat and its prodigny CentOS, Fedora - The RPM package system is horrid and a nightmare compared to the superior APT of Debian based like Zorin, Ubuntu, Mint etc..
    SUSE/SLES - Really geared only as a PAID distro for enterprise use, and is RPM based.

    Get some of the Live DVD's and plop them in a machine to try out. Or pull down VMWare Player and stick them in a Virtual Machine (VM) to play with.

    If you are totally new to *Nix then I would strongly suggest you stick to Ubuntu... while the CLI side for the most is similar to each distro the package
    management systems, how you install software on Linux, is not, and some work better, APT (Debian/Ubuntu/Zorin/Mint), versus others that don't, RPM aka yum aka zipper (RH/CentOS/SLES/Fedora).

    Rick


    ... Ding Dong the Witch is DEAD! I Made America Great Again! President Trump! --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: Vina's Talos Moon Base Alpha (1:135/377)
  • From Rick Christian@1:135/377 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Nov 27 08:18:48 2016

    Hello Alexey!

    27 Nov 16 12:05, you wrote to Tony:

    Very destructive suggestion, I'd say...

    However, I really like the idiots who use these toy systems.

    Let me guess only some RPM or complete compile it all from source system is acceptable to you!??

    Please!

    As a whole Linux in general regardless of distro is a far superior and a real OS verus winslopper and macrapple (regardless of its roots in BSD land!).

    The issue comes down to ease of use in doing stuff, and for me.. the vastly INFERIOR RPM system is the litmus test that kills RH/Fedora/CentOS/SLES et al.

    The other issue is RH publicly came out against Linux desktop users, then why do all that work on a crappy X DE?

    For ease of use in getting going and starting out, Debian based systems be it Debian, Ubuntu, Mint, Zorin, KUbuntu all have the ease of use to sudo apt-get install apache etc.. and move on in life, if you are doing LAMP stuff.

    Even if you are doing something like Fido stuff, you can do it fairly easily once some one else goes through the swamp fights the alligators and finds the treasure to this with simple commands to install. Which I will gladly provide the files and instructions to any one so they don't have to repeat that endeavour! No one should have to to begin with!

    Every one has their favorite distro... I prefer Debian based, but pure Debian has too much screwed up due to that DFSG BS... and Ubuntu removes a lot of it, ie sox with MP3 support in the repo etc..

    I've pretty much banished any RH derived stuff except on a few cases where CPanel is required/needed, I really don't understand why CPanel can't get their
    act together for non RH distros?!?!???!

    Simply choosing to use Linux of any sort has increased the security of that system 100000x over to start with.

    The CLI stuff, once the software is installed, is pretty much the same regardless of distro, but its that software install that in general is still Linux's Achilles Heel. But APT and those that use it are far and wide ahead of that game v. RPM based systems.



    Rick


    ... Ding Dong the Witch is DEAD! I Made America Great Again! President Trump! --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: Vina's Talos Moon Base Alpha (1:135/377)
  • From Rick Christian@1:135/377 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Nov 27 08:32:12 2016

    Hello Alexey!

    27 Nov 16 12:11, you wrote to Kai Richter:

    http://download.huskyproject.org/linux/
    http://download.binkd.org/linux/

    Everything else (that means, golded or other your favourite editor)
    may be built with one single command.

    I've got

    Golded latest release LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    CrashMail 0.71 64b safe, and possiblky soon 1.5 64b safe.
    Binkd 1.1

    All 64b safe and working DEB's available. Along with JamNNTPd 2.0 Beta which supports more clients which require the MODE READER command to work along with other enhancements to meet RFC3977 and RFC6048.

    NONE of this builds with one single command! I've got the logs to prove it! Hell Husky can't even provide the CORRECT instructions for their OWN SOFTWARE! Then there is the fact there is very little info on how to set the stuff up in ENGLISH.

    Don't direct people down some hell hole.

    Rick


    ... Ding Dong the Witch is DEAD! I Made America Great Again! President Trump! --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sun Nov 27 14:05:48 2016
    -={ 2016-11-27 17:05:49.968847269+03:00 }=-

    Hey Alexey!

    one single command

    And the command is, "Go away!" :::evil grin:::

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Rick Christian on Sun Nov 27 11:05:08 2016

    27 Nov 16 08:18, you wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    pure Debian has too much screwed up due to that DFSG BS...

    i don't understand what the specific problem is you have with the Debian Free Software Guidelines (DFSG)...

    https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines


    )\/(ark

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Rick Christian on Sun Nov 27 12:33:42 2016
    Hello Rick,

    On 27 Nov 16 08:32, Rick Christian wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    Everything else (that means, golded or other your favourite
    editor) may be built with one single command.

    I've got

    Golded latest release LNX 1.1.5-b20160322

    As you can see in my tearline, you're not using Golded's "latest release". Or was this the last version that included pre-compiled binaries?

    NONE of this builds with one single command! I've got the logs to
    prove it! Hell Husky can't even provide the CORRECT instructions for
    their OWN SOFTWARE! Then there is the fact there is very little info
    on how to set the stuff up in ENGLISH.

    For one, the instructions are indeed there, although maybe not spelled out for someone like you that likes to complain about every little detail. From the INSTALL file in /opt/husky/huskybse:

    [snip]

    I. Overview
    ===========

    The Husky Fidonet software package is split into different "modules". A module is a library or a program. In order to compile any Husky program, you will at least have to download the following modules:

    huskybse Husky Base, contains instructions, a template compilation configuration file, and sample configs.
    huskylib Common declarations and functions for Husky programs.
    smapi The Squish Message API library.
    fidoconf The Fidoconfig library.

    In addition, you need the programs that you want to use, like "hpt" (the tosser), "htick" (the ticker), "msged" (the mail editor), and others. For a full list of available modules, refer to the husky homepage.

    [/snip]

    Seems pretty straight forward to me, even if they couldn't speak very good english. *shrug*

    As for the one single command,

    1) Download sources
    2) run "make && make install"

    Is all I had to do. Sorry you had so many problems.

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Rick Christian on Mon Nov 28 09:12:00 2016
    Rick Christian wrote to Barry Davis Jr <=-

    When you say "server" what is YOUR use of this server?

    Now that is probably the most important question! :-)

    I'm one who often does not go down the normal LAMP road - web services are generally secondary for my servers. For example, the machines currently running as servers are:

    CentOS VPS (a hangover from when some software was written for RH distros) - primary function is to support various radio over IP networks - some analogue, some digital for ham radio use. There is a web server, mostly to support various status pages and one or two small websites. Not a full LAMP stack, MySQL is not needed, but PHP is used.

    Audio server - Debian. This machine records a local community radio station at scheduled times. The recordings are made available for me to download over SFTP, so I can edit, compress and upload them to various podcast sites for the programs.

    BBSs (x2) - Raspian - These are my BBS machines. ;) One of the BBS machines also runs a digital radio over IP gateway (no radios hooked up yet).

    IRLP node - Debian. This is an analogue radio over IP gateway.

    VPN endpoint - CentOS - another older machine that was repurposed to become an OpenVPN endpoint. This is used to route public IPv4 addresses to the BBSs.

    There's also a couple of other Pi boards configured for radio over IP work running Raspian.

    So yes, the question of what the server is to do is important.

    As for distros, I now prefer Debian based, and Debian is usually my first distro of choice. As for the others:

    Raspian - first choice for the R-Pi and similar ARM boards, feels just like Debian.

    Ubuntu - honestly, I haven't really used it, but hear mostly good things.

    Mint - never used, but has a lot of good reports.

    Fedora - Designed for RHEL development/testing. Has a very fast release cycle as a result, not something I'd use for a server with a lifetime of more than a year, unless you like frequent reinstallations.

    RHEL/CentOS - If you must have a Red Hat based distro, these are your best bet.
    YUM can be a pain at times, but these are mostly solid. Sometimes there are major changes between releases that might break software after a server upgrade. Test before upgrading! :)

    SuSE - tried it, didn't like it, the only YUM/RPM based distos I could work with were CentOS or Fedora.

    I certainly prefer APT over YUM.


    ... It's innocence when it charms us, ignorance when it doesn't.
    --- MultiMail/Win32 v0.49
    * Origin: Freeway BBS - freeway.apana.org.au (3:633/410)
  • From Rick Christian@1:135/377 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Nov 27 20:40:54 2016

    Hello Nicholas!

    27 Nov 16 12:33, you wrote to me:
    As you can see in my tearline, you're not using Golded's "latest
    release". Or was this the last version that included pre-compiled binaries?

    This is the last source at:

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/golded-plus/files/Golded%2B%201.1.5%20snapshots/2016.03.22/

    I am done chasing and begging for links for stuff. THe last modified date on there is 4/8/16 which is for the above source.


    For one, the instructions are indeed there, although maybe not spelled
    out for someone like you that likes to complain about every little
    detail. From the INSTALL file in /opt/husky/huskybse:

    You can refer to another thread in another echo, where Alan Ianson listed the CORRECT steps to compile this.. and THOSE AINT THEM! Period.

    There is some lib or something that this other stuff depends on that has to be compiled first.. I forget which one.. and I am not looking it up. I am not using Husky stuff. Crashmail works great when you use -m32 on 64b systems. Plus
    there is at least some what some sort of documentation in some reasonably comprehensible form, verus Huskys void of same.

    If you are goig to release software that you only realease in source to the public then it is INCUMBENT on Y-O-U the releaser to provide FULL AND COMPLETE WORKING INSTRUCTIONS... If those instructions differ from distro to distro, then I would suggest that you provide it in DEB or RPM format for easier install or you detail to the last dot what to do... All too often all you get is what you list below... and that is often NOT the required steps or requirements.

    I will reiterate that if I released software like this at work or one of my employees did, let me tell you the outcome... YOU ARE FIRED!


    Seems pretty straight forward to me, even if they couldn't speak very
    good english. *shrug*

    here is some lib or something that this other stuff depends on that has to be compiled first.. I forget which one.. and I am not looking it up.

    It aint the lib they list in that ... there is another one... Alan listed....

    As for the one single command,
    1) Download sources
    2) run "make && make install"

    Is all I had to do. Sorry you had so many problems.

    When I find ONE program that does that, AND WORKS, I'll let you know.. Till then... Please don't regurgitate this spiel when its not correct.

    This is way tangential to the discussion at hand, and we are not going to agree... Enjoy your future endeavours!



    Rick


    ... Ding Dong the Witch is DEAD! I Made America Great Again! President Trump! --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: Vina's Talos Moon Base Alpha (1:135/377)
  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Rick Christian on Sun Nov 27 20:41:46 2016
    Hello Rick,

    On 27 Nov 16 20:40, Rick Christian wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    For one, the instructions are indeed there, although maybe not
    spelled out for someone like you that likes to complain about
    every little detail. From the INSTALL file in
    /opt/husky/huskybse:

    You can refer to another thread in another echo, where Alan Ianson
    listed the CORRECT steps to compile this.. and THOSE AINT THEM!
    Period.

    And you can selectively read whatever you want. I just pasted you the exact words from the INSTALL text file in the huskybse folder. It specifically listed
    all of the required modules and in the proper order (and yes, including huskylib). So there you have it. Apparantly your reading comprehension isn't up
    to snuff.

    There is some lib or something that this other stuff depends on that
    has to be compiled first.. I forget which one.. and I am not looking
    it up. I am not using Husky stuff. Crashmail works great when you use
    -m32 on 64b systems. Plus there is at least some what some sort of documentation in some reasonably comprehensible form, verus Huskys
    void of same.

    That would be huskylib, which was indeed mentioned in the INSTALL snippet I just pasted you in my previous message.

    If you are goig to release software that you only realease in source
    to the public then it is INCUMBENT on Y-O-U the releaser to provide
    FULL AND COMPLETE WORKING INSTRUCTIONS... If those instructions differ from distro to distro, then I would suggest that you provide it in DEB
    or RPM format for easier install or you detail to the last dot what to do... All too often all you get is what you list below... and that is often NOT the required steps or requirements.

    Gimme gimme gimme, I'm too lazy to do anything myself!

    That's about what I got out of the paragraph above. See? I can read selectively
    also!

    As for the one single command,
    1) Download sources
    2) run "make && make install"

    Is all I had to do. Sorry you had so many problems.

    When I find ONE program that does that, AND WORKS, I'll let you know.. Till then... Please don't regurgitate this spiel when its not correct.

    I'm not at all sorry you have issues with everything you have done. While it may not be correct information to you, it works for many others including myself. I definitely think you are in the minority in this regard.

    This is way tangential to the discussion at hand, and we are not going
    to agree... Enjoy your future endeavours!

    You too!

    Regards,
    Nick

    ... "?? ????. ? ????? ?????? ???????."
    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160827
    * Origin: thePharcyde_ distribution system (Wisconsin) (1:154/10)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Alexey Vissarionov on Mon Nov 28 14:06:38 2016
    Hej Alexey!

    Fredag 25. November 2016 kl.15:36 skrev Alexey Vissarionov til Barry Davis Jr:

    I am a beginner using it.
    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    Then you'd rather choose something more popular. https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/download/ could be a good start.

    sure, lets hope Mr Maddog dont kill our dreams of long standing installs that just works, rpm based distros have one common problems, its dependice to keep working, sometimes its required to use a cdrom for updates, sometimes it all breaks, and rpm is then not very helpfull solve it, yes i have used redhat, it was crime when it was dropped officially, i dont think deb based is better either, for me its faster to break a debian clon box then a rpm based

    Also, you may like to try it on a workstation first.

    why ?


    Benny

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: me at junc dot org (2:230/0)
  • From Benny Pedersen@2:230/0 to Tony on Mon Nov 28 14:12:32 2016
    Hej Tony!

    Fredag 25. November 2016 kl.15:58 skrev Tony til Alexey Vissarionov:

    My suggestion is Ubuntu for hom eusers and Debian for server stuffs.

    why ?

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)

    and you have a PI ? :=)


    Benny

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
    * Origin: me at junc dot org (2:230/0)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Rick Christian on Mon Nov 28 12:40:56 2016

    27 Nov 16 20:40, you wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    As you can see in my tearline, you're not using Golded's "latest
    release". Or was this the last version that included pre-compiled
    binaries?

    This is the last source at:

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/golded-plus/files/Golded%2B%201.1.5%2 0snap shots/2016.03.22/

    i get mine from here...

    :pserver:anonymous@golded-plus.cvs.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/golded-plus


    looks like the same place except that you're taking snapshots instead of the current HEAD...

    I am done chasing and begging for links for stuff. THe last modified
    date on there is 4/8/16 which is for the above source.

    you don't need to chase and beg... find what you like that works for you and use it :shrug:

    [trim]

    Seems pretty straight forward to me, even if they couldn't speak very
    good english. *shrug*

    here is some lib or something that this other stuff depends on that
    has to be compiled first.. I forget which one.. and I am not looking
    it up.

    everyone else has simply followed the documentation that comes with the sources...

    It aint the lib they list in that ... there is another one... Alan listed....

    As for the one single command,
    1) Download sources
    2) run "make && make install"

    Is all I had to do. Sorry you had so many problems.

    When I find ONE program that does that, AND WORKS, I'll let you know.. Till then... Please don't regurgitate this spiel when its not correct.

    you're the only one complaining, rick... no one else has complained this much in the last decade or more...

    This is way tangential to the discussion at hand, and we are not going
    to agree... Enjoy your future endeavours!

    you just like being either hardheaded or too caffiened up... that's your choice, though :shrug:

    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From Tony@2:250/4 to Benny Pedersen on Tue Nov 29 15:27:40 2016
    My suggestion is Ubuntu for hom eusers and Debian for server stuffs. --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    and you have a PI ? :=)

    Hey Benny
    is exactly what I said...home users raspberry is at home the other BBS is running Debian 8 on VPS ;-)
    Cheers!
    Tony

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: Friends BBS UK (2:250/4)
  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:249/275 to mark lewis on Tue Nov 29 18:33:46 2016
    This is the last source at:

    https://sourceforge.net/projects/golded-plus/files/Golded%2B%201.1.5% 0snap shots/2016.03.22/

    Has anyone been able to get this to compile on the Pi? I've tried several
    times and there are so many errors it's hard to tell at what point the
    compiler breaks lol

    --- Mystic BBS v1.12 A31 (Raspberry Pi)
    * Origin: internal dimension = idbbs.dlinkddns.com = port 59 (1:249/275)
  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452.3 to Dave Vandermeer on Wed Nov 30 08:56:24 2016

    Hello Dave!

    29 Nov 16 18:33, you wrote to mark lewis:

    Has anyone been able to get this to compile on the Pi? I've tried
    several times and there are so many errors it's hard to tell at what
    point the compiler breaks lol

    I'm writing this message to you now from Golded+ on the pi. Just remember
    to go into the golded3 folder and edit the mygolded.__h and rename it to mygolded.h After that, compile away.

    Shawn


    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5-b20160322
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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:249/275 to Shawn Highfield on Wed Nov 30 11:00:04 2016

    Has anyone been able to get this to compile on the Pi? I've tried several times and there are so many errors it's hard to tell at what point the compiler breaks lol

    I'm writing this message to you now from Golded+ on the pi. Just remember to go into the golded3 folder and edit the mygolded.__h and rename it to mygolded.h After that, compile away.


    I did all that.. I followed every instruction to the letter.. I can usually trouble shoot why something breaks when it compiles but when it comes down to code base errors I'm useless. I haven't written a line of code in over 25 years.

    what I am finding a lot with older code is the usage of strcpy() being out of date and wanting to use strlcpy() which uses 3 arguments instead of 2

    I'll try it once more time after the machine is done updates

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Dave Vandermeer on Wed Nov 30 12:03:34 2016
    Hello Dave,

    On 30 Nov 16 11:00, Dave Vandermeer wrote to Shawn Highfield:

    I did all that.. I followed every instruction to the letter.. I can usually trouble shoot why something breaks when it compiles but when
    it comes down to code base errors I'm useless. I haven't written a
    line of code in over 25 years.

    Do you have ncurses installed on your Pi? I do know that's definitely a prerequisite. There may be others as well, which I'm sure can be found somewhere in the Golded docs.

    what I am finding a lot with older code is the usage of strcpy() being
    out of date and wanting to use strlcpy() which uses 3 arguments
    instead of 2

    What version of gcc are you using on the Pi? Here I believe I'm using gcc-6.2.1, which is a fairly new version, iirc.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Rick Christian@1:135/377 to Dave Vandermeer on Wed Nov 30 18:46:02 2016

    Hello Dave!

    29 Nov 16 18:33, you wrote to mark lewis:

    Has anyone been able to get this to compile on the Pi? I've tried
    several times and there are so many errors it's hard to tell at what
    point the compiler breaks lol

    Its on my list to do this... but other things have sidetracked that....namely fixing wide terminal, done, but still in an issue with the internal editor for wide terminals. Reading works.. the IE barfs seg fauls and core dumps on replies... :( It probably is the same buffer issue, I just have to find the right definition to enlarge it.

    So I have to dig some more for V2.0..

    As for the pi and ARMHF compiling

    ~/fido/glded$ ldd gedlnx
    linux-vdso.so.1 => (0x00007ffffc36f000)
    libncurses.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libncurses.so.5 (0x00007f356127d000)
    libtinfo.so.5 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libtinfo.so.5 (0x00007f3561054000)
    libstdc++.so.6 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libstdc++.so.6 (0x00007f3560d4f000)
    libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x00007f3560b39000)
    libc.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libc.so.6 (0x00007f3560773000)
    libdl.so.2 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libdl.so.2 (0x00007f356056e000)
    libm.so.6 => /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libm.so.6 (0x00007f3560268000)
    /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 (0x00007f35614bb000)


    Start with:

    sudo apt-get install build-essential

    Then....

    sudo apt-get install libncurses5 libncurses5-dev libtinfo5

    Start there... I think some of the others listed for requirements are part of gcc which should come in with build-essential...

    I can not give my more complete answer as I just have not gotten to this task on my list..

    Please keep us updated with your success or failures, so we can put together a full and complete recipe for other to use on the Pi(s) and others can be spared
    the hassles.


    Rick


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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:249/275 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Nov 30 21:27:46 2016
    Do you have ncurses installed on your Pi? I do know that's definitely a prerequisite. There may be others as well, which I'm sure can be found somewhere in the Golded docs.


    I have pretty much every library installed with the development package to go with. It doesn't break with a linker error.. that is easy to fix to figure
    out which -lxxxx lib is missing

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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:249/275 to Nicholas Boel on Wed Nov 30 21:32:50 2016

    What version of gcc are you using on the Pi? Here I believe I'm using gcc-6.2.1, which is a fairly new version, iirc.


    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ gcc -v
    Using built-in specs.
    COLLECT_GCC=gcc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.9/lto-wrapper
    Target: arm-linux-gnueabihf
    --<cut built-with flags>---
    Thread model: posix
    gcc version 4.9.2 (Raspbian 4.9.2-10)

    It's the most recent that apt-upgrade will pull without deviating from the default repo's .. i run apt-get update | apt-get update at midnight nightly
    so it is what it is lol

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Dave Vandermeer on Thu Dec 1 09:04:46 2016
    Hello Dave,

    On 30 Nov 16 21:27, Dave Vandermeer wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    Do you have ncurses installed on your Pi? I do know that's
    definitely a prerequisite. There may be others as well, which I'm
    sure can be found somewhere in the Golded docs.

    I have pretty much every library installed with the development
    package to go with. It doesn't break with a linker error.. that is
    easy to fix to figure out which -lxxxx lib is missing

    I think then we may need a paste of the specific error you get when trying to compile Golded.

    First off, did you traverse into the source directory and edit/rename golded.__h or whatever it is to golded.h? If so, we need more specifics.

    I'm posting from the latest sources of Golded on my Rpi3 and had no issues at all compiling. I even used WIDE_NCURSES=1 on my make line, though I don't see any difference without that option.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:154/10 to Dave Vandermeer on Thu Dec 1 09:07:24 2016
    Hello Dave,

    On 30 Nov 16 21:32, Dave Vandermeer wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    using gcc-6.2.1, which is a fairly new version, iirc.

    pi@raspberrypi:~ $ gcc -v
    Using built-in specs.
    COLLECT_GCC=gcc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.9/lto-wrapper Target: arm-linux-gnueabihf
    --<cut built-with flags>---
    Thread model: posix
    gcc version 4.9.2 (Raspbian 4.9.2-10)

    It's the most recent that apt-upgrade will pull without deviating from
    the default repo's .. i run apt-get update | apt-get update at
    midnight nightly so it is what it is lol

    May have to ask others who have compiled it with the same version of gcc. Debian tends to stick with older packages, but that may pose a problem when other software continues in development.

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Shawn Highfield@1:229/452.3 to Nicholas Boel on Thu Dec 1 12:52:36 2016

    Hello Nicholas!

    01 Dec 16 09:07, you wrote to Dave Vandermeer:

    May have to ask others who have compiled it with the same version of
    gcc. Debian tends to stick with older packages, but that may pose a

    Here's mine:
    Using built-in specs.
    COLLECT_GCC=gcc COLLECT_LTO_WRAPPER=/usr/lib/gcc/arm-linux-gnueabihf/4.9/lto-wrapper
    Target: arm-linux-gnueabihf
    Configured with: ../src/configure -v --with-pkgversion='Raspbian 4.9.2-10' <snip a bit>
    Thread model: posix
    gcc version 4.9.2 (Raspbian 4.9.2-10)

    Looks the same as his I think? Using golded to type this message on the pi.

    Shawn

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  • From Dave Vandermeer@1:249/275 to Nicholas Boel on Fri Dec 2 18:13:44 2016

    I think then we may need a paste of the specific error you get when
    trying to compile Golded.

    First off, did you traverse into the source directory and edit/rename golded.__h or whatever it is to golded.h? If so, we need more specifics.


    Yea I did everything right... It compiled fine on my i686 ArchLinux

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  • From Maurice Kinal@1:153/7001 to Dave Vandermeer on Fri Dec 2 23:42:50 2016
    -={ 2016-12-02 23:42:51.887030547+00:00 }=-

    Hey Dave!

    It compiled fine on my i686 ArchLinux

    Which awk do both of them have? I've often heard of Debian based distributions
    having issues with source that assumes gawk instead of mawk. If your Pi has mawk you might want to switch over to gawk. It might be just that simple. :-)

    Life is good,
    Maurice

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