Michiel van der Vlist wrote to All <=-
It has now been confirmed: My ISP, Ziggo now puts all new customers on DS-Lite. Presumably one can still get IPv4 only with a public address
on request, but not Dual Stack.
I still have Dual Stack. I foresee it won't last forever...
Hi Michiel,
On 2017-08-07 14:11:55, you wrote to All:
If you have to choose between DS-lite and IPv4 only, what will it be?
;)
If you have to choose between DS-lite and IPv4 only, what will it be?
If you have to choose between DS-lite and IPv4 only, what will
it be?
Right now I would probably choose IPv4 (if it was a static address).
I'm running more servers (www, mail) than just binkp.
Right now I would probably choose IPv4 (if it was a static address).
I'm running more servers (www, mail) than just binkp.
# telnet de8.portmap64.net binkp
Trying 84.200.67.208...
Connected to de8.portmap64.net.
#Op.OPT CRAM-MD5-c48a96e544fb4a3c5aca5faa4be033ee#OpSYS Blijf
Tonijn#OpZYZ Michiel van der Vlist#OpLOC Driebergen, NL#Op0NDL CM,MO,IBN:fido.vlist.eu,RPK,NPK,ENC,NC,PING#Op%TIME Tue, 8 Aug 2017 11:23:11 +0200#Op"VER binkd/1.1a-95/Win32 binkp/1.1#Op2
2:280/5555@fidonet 2:2/20@fidonet 2:28/0@fidonet
Ok, that works (for now). But it depends on a (free?) service provided
by a third party. And has some limitations.
If you have no choice, it is (very) usefull.
But I don't think I would prefer it over a static IPv4 address right
now.
Ok, that works (for now). But it depends on a (free?) service
provided by a third party. And has some limitations.
If you have no choice, it is (very) usefull.
But I don't think I would prefer it over a static IPv4 address right
now.
yourself.Ok, that works (for now). But it depends on a (free?) service
provided by a third party. And has some limitations.
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much more)
That wouldn't be a show stopper. ;)
Untill they find it's not profitable and quit the service or make the prices a lot higher. ;)
Maybe in the future, right now I wouldn't absolutely need IPv6. I
think I can do without it.
They'll try to prevent that, because that will cost them customers.
Their "geek friendly" image is how they distinquish themselfs from the others.
If they don't have that, there are probably cheeper ones that provide
the same product and service level.
Of course. ;)
Maybe in the future, right now I wouldn't absolutely need IPv6. I
think I can do without it.
They'll try to prevent that, because that will cost them customers.
Their "geek friendly" image is how they distinquish themselfs from
the others.
Right now I would probably choose IPv4 (if it was a static
address). I'm running more servers (www, mail) than just binkp.
Try connecting to my binkp server at de8.portmap64.net.
I still have Dual Stack. I foresee it won't last forever...
We should plan for that. Having as many *Cs and hubs as possible
running dual stack will help, at least that will allow routed netmail
as worst case cenario.
Well you want a port for your webserver too. So maybe it's 10/y. Still
not too expensive.
I highly doubt that...
Then they will fold up the business all together, or sell it to
someone else. It's still an independent "daughter".
It was probably smaller...
Try connecting to my binkp server at de8.portmap64.net.
It's not especially surprising to see such services appearing.
I highly doubt that...
Then they will fold up the business all together, or sell it to
someone else. It's still an independent "daughter".
Ok, that works (for now). But it depends on a (free?) service
provided by a third party. And has some limitations.
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much more)
yourself.
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because I have the experience to do that...
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much more)
yourself.
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because I have
the experience to do that...
That would most probably be my choice as well. It would be a safe
place to run a Fido server.
Only Pots would then be a thing of the past, but you probably don't
care.
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much
more) yourself.
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because IThat would most probably be my choice as well. It would be a safe
have the experience to do that...
place to run a Fido server. Only Pots would then be a thing of the
past, but you probably don't care.
That would most probably be my choice as well. It would be a safe
place to run a Fido server. Only Pots would then be a thing of the
past, but you probably don't care.
You can still connect your POTS to a modem and share your inbound/outbound via NFS/CIFS/GlusterFS/SSHFS/whatever. At least that's the way I want to connect my modem to my server.
Hi Michiel, On 2017-08-07 14:11:55, you wrote to All:MvdV>> It has now been confirmed: My ISP, Ziggo now puts all new
If you have to choose between DS-lite and IPv4 only, what will it
be? ;)
Hello Wilfred, On Tuesday August 08 2017 09:53, you wrote to me:MvdV>>> DS-Lite
If you have to choose between DS-lite and IPv4 only, what will
it be?
Right now I would probably choose IPv4 (if it was a staticTry connecting to my binkp server at de8.portmap64.net.
address). I'm running more servers (www, mail) than just binkp.
Hi Kees, On 2017-08-08 15:40:30, you wrote to me:
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much
more) yourself.
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because I
have the experience to do that...
That would most probably be my choice as well. It would be aOr use it to forward binkp connections... But running your
safe place to run a Fido server.
fidosystem in it makes sense too...
They offer a dedicated static IPv4 too. For a fee.
Maybe, I don't know how much they have left, and how much bigger they
have to grow to run out.
And if they do, there will probably be a choice just for new
customers. I don't think they will take it away from existing
customers.
That's what they call it...
That would most probably be my choice as well. It would be a safe
place to run a Fido server. Only Pots would then be a thing of the
past, but you probably don't care.
It was not eaten by KPN, there were some unlucky decisions made by management of HCC. In the end it was a better solution to sell the business to the geek friendly daughter company of KPN. I am still glad they did as in the end the first concept was unsustainable.
You can still connect your POTS to a modem and share your
inbound/outbound via NFS/CIFS/GlusterFS/SSHFS/whatever. At least
that's the way I want to connect my modem to my server.
Try connecting to my binkp server at de8.portmap64.net.
Quite nice... But I can do the same with my VPS. I have a virtual
server with one static ipv4 and ipv6 address. And it costs only 3.70
per month.
They offer a dedicated static IPv4 too. For a fee.
It took my ISP this long to have native IPv6, so who knows when
they're going to ditch IPv4. But when they do, I'll gladly go native
IPv6 only without any complaints.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I don't know what "we" can do any more than we are already doing... trying to promote IPv6 in Fidonet...
Ok, that works (for now). But it depends on a (free?) service provided
by a third party. And has some limitations.
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
MvdV> I expect many people will have no choice in the not too distant foreseeable
MvdV> future. Even you with your geek friendly ISP may have no choice some day.
They'll try to prevent that, because that will cost them customers.
Their "geek friendly" image is how they distinquish themselfs from the others. If they don't have that, there are probably cheeper ones that provide the same product and service level.
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Markus Reschke <=-
You could rent an inexpensive vserver and do that (and much more)
yourself.
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because I have the experience to do that...
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Wilfred van Velzen <=-
My once geek friendly ISP, hccnet, did not survive being eaten by
KPN...
If they don't have that, there are probably cheeper ones that provide
the same product and service level.
Probably...
MvdV>> They offer a dedicated static IPv4 too. For a fee.
Of course. ;)
Let's hope that by the time you can't have a fixed IPv4 addres from
your present ISP any more, it won't matter.
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
Then they will fold up the business all together, or sell it to someone else. It's still an independent "daughter".
Andrew Leary wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
It's not especially surprising to see such services appearing.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Andrew Leary <=-
Indeed, it was to be expected. This portmapper of theirs is real easy
to configure. Much easier than setting up a VPN or a fully fledged tunnel. I think it is a good solution if you only need one or a few ports.
Like for running a binkp server...
They'll try to prevent that, because that will cost them customers.
Their "geek friendly" image is how they distinquish themselfs from
the others. If they don't have that, there are probably cheeper ones
that provide the same product and service level.
Sounds a bit like my ISP - geek friendly, has a strong positive reputation among geeks (which is why I chose them), definitely not the cheapest - a little more expensive than most others, but definitely worth the premium. :)
That would probably be a more likely choice for me, because I have
the experience to do that...
I thought about doing that, but I went with APANA, a club of fellow networking geeks who do the tunneling for a reasonable fee. :)
Then they will fold up the business all together, or sell it to
someone else. It's still an independent "daughter".
Your ISP sounds a lot like mine - now owned by a much larger company, but maintain their independent operating.
Well, my BBSs use a VPN tunnel to bring in IPv4s from another network. While I do have a static IPv4, I got the tunnel to allow multiple
systems to run with public IPv4 addresses. All I would have to do if
I was forced onto DS-Lite (highly unlikely in at least the next 5
years), is to change the tunnel endpoints to IPv6.
It's not especially surprising to see such services appearing.
Indeed, and also good to see they have an IPv6 DDNS service too.
Indeed, it was to be expected. This portmapper of theirs is real
easy to configure. Much easier than setting up a VPN or a fully
fledged tunnel. I think it is a good solution if you only need
one or a few ports.
Like for running a binkp server...
Biggest issue is their key configuration page are only in German. :(
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Sounds a bit like my ISP - geek friendly, has a strong positive reputation among geeks (which is why I chose them), definitely not the cheapest - a little more expensive than most others, but definitely worth the premium. :)
Exactly the same here... ;)
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
But I think apana.org is the one you mentioned... ;)
But I think apana.org is the one you mentioned... ;)
My origin line should give it away - apana.org.au.
@TZUTC: 1000
@MSGID: 3202.fido-ipv6@3:633/410 1defae1b
@REPLY: 2:280/464 5989aa66
@TID: SBBSecho 2.27-Linux r1.261 Dec 26 2015 GCC 4.8.2
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
Then they will fold up the business all together, or sell it to
someone else. It's still an independent "daughter".
Your ISP sounds a lot like mine - now owned by a much larger company,
but maintain their independent operating.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Five years is a long time in a rapidly changing world. I am stll optimistic. I still hope that it will take less than five years before
we reach the tipping point when IPv6 will be the dominant protocol and IPv4 will fade away...
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
I haven't looked into their DDNS service, but I may have a closer look one of these days. My IPv6 prefix is dynamic, but it has only changed once in the now eight month that I have my present CPE. That change was caused by an unscheduled power outage. If it only happens once or twice
a year, it is no big deal to update manually. OTOH it may happen at a very inconvenient time...
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Biggest issue is their key configuration page are only in German. :(
No problem for me. ;-)
Wilfred van Velzen wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
But I think apana.org is the one you mentioned... ;)
My origin line should give it away - apana.org.au.
Didn't notice that. ;)
(It's the same page as apana.org)
Markus Reschke wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
That might be the better way anyway. The daughter ISP is more flexible
and can offer services which Ma ISP can't, acting like a special
business unit for customized solutions. Usually Ma carrier assimilates
the small ISP completely, migrates customers to standard platforms and
so on. I've experienced that first hand.
You would have to run the IPv6 version of the script on the device you want to register in DDNS, but it should work fine. I did some brief testing of DDNS on my router. One thing I notice is I can't register a
v4 and v6 address at the same time. I might try running the v6
version on another host and see if both can be registered at the same time.
You would have to run the IPv6 version of the script on the device
you want to register in DDNS, but it should work fine. I did some
brief testing of DDNS on my router. One thing I notice is I can't
register a v4 and v6 address at the same time. I might try running
the v6 version on another host and see if both can be registered at
the same time.
My Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT seems to suffer from that as
well. It's not a big deal; I just need to let the router do IPv4 and
run a client on my Linux BBS box to handle IPv6.
Well, nothing's really changed at the retail level here in the past several years, and I haven't seen any signs of change from other ISPs,
so 5 years seems like will pass in the blink of an eye. Hope I'm
wrong, but I don't like my chances.
You would have to run the IPv6 version of the script on the device you want to register in DDNS, but it should work fine.
I did some brief testing of DDNS on my router. One thing I notice is I can't register a v4 and v6 address at the same time. I might try
running the v6 version on another host and see if both can be
registered at the same time.
Andrew Leary wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
My Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT seems to suffer from that as well. It's not a big deal; I just need to let the router do IPv4 and run a client on my Linux BBS box to handle IPv6.
Markus Reschke wrote to Andrew Leary <=-
Does the DDNS client send the public IP address to the server, or does
the DDNS server determine the address via the connection from the
client? In the latter case you would need one update for IPv4 and
another for IPv6.
For IPv6 I need a bit more than just changing one address. What I need
is to change the prefix of ALL addresses of devices reachable from outside.
For IPv6 I need a bit more than just changing one address. What I
need is to change the prefix of ALL addresses of devices
reachable from outside.
You mean Mobile IPv6? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_IP
Quite simple, bind and a script which figures out the prefix and runs nsupdate to update all your AAAAs. For an extra layer of security wrap that in ssh, i.e. put the script on the server.
"where is that pioneer spirit" ? ;-)
My Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT seems to suffer from that as
well. It's not a big deal; I just need to let the router do IPv4
and run a client on my Linux BBS box to handle IPv6.
Yeah, that seems to be the way to go. The "client" looks like it
would be nothing more than wget or curl. :)
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
How does IPv6 penetration of the WWW look from your POV in your neck of the woods? When I urf the web the majority of sites that I visit is reachable via IPv6. So from my POV IPv6 already is dominant on the WWW. How about you?
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
In what seems to be a previous life, I had such a script running on my win95 machine to update my IPv4 DNS with EuroDNS. I dropped it when I pensioned that win95 machine because my IPv4 address only changed when the MAC address of the CPE changed. i.e. never unless I changed
hardware.
For IPv6 I need a bit more than just changing one address. What I need
is to change the prefix of ALL addresses of devices reachable from outside.
My Netgear WNDR3700 running OpenWRT seems to suffer from that as
well. It's not a big deal; I just need to let the router do IPv4
and run a client on my Linux BBS box to handle IPv6.
Yeah, that seems to be the way to go. The "client" looks like it
would be nothing more than wget or curl. :)
wget and curl is Linux speak. Not much use for running the script on a Windows system.
ver
curlcurl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
wgetwget: missing URL
curlcurl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
wgetwget: missing URL
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
Try `wget --help' for more options.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
wget and curl is Linux speak. Not much use for running the script on a Windows system.
Tommi Koivula wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
ver
Microsoft Windows [Version 6.1.7601]
curl
curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
wget
wget: missing URL
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
Try `wget --help' for more options.
binkd'binkd' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
curl
curl: try 'curl --help' or 'curl --manual' for more information
wget
wget: missing URL
Usage: wget [OPTION]... [URL]...
Try `wget --help' for more options.
You have a differebt version og windows that I have:
binkd
'binkd' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.
Try `wget --help' for more options.
You have a different version of windows that I have:
I didn't say those are bundled with windows. Neither is GoldED. ;D
wget and curl is Linux speak. Not much use for running the
script on a Windows system.
I'm pretty sure you can get wget for Windows with a little Googling.
:)
Hello Tony, On Saturday August 12 2017 07:48, you wrote to me:
wget and curl is Linux speak. Not much use for running the
script on a Windows system.
I'm pretty sure you can get wget for Windows with a littleProbably... But I am always a bit reluctant with downloading
Googling. :)
executables from the InterNet. Expecially when they come from
vague sources...
Aug 12 18:22 2017, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon:MvdV>> Probably... But I am always a bit reluctant with downloading
https://www.regfish.de/domains/dyndns/software
BTW, all domains registered via them include DDNS for IPv4 and IPv6.
Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-
Probably... But I am always a bit reluctant with downloading
executables from the InterNet. Expecially when they come from vague sources...
Tommi Koivula wrote to Michiel van der Vlist <=-
... Says a guy who run windows as a server in internet. ;) ;)
wget and curl is Linux speak. Not much use for running the
script on a Windows system.
I'm pretty sure you can get wget for Windows with a littleProbably... But I am always a bit reluctant with downloading
Googling.
:)
executables from the InterNet. Expecially when they come from vague sources...
If you don't mind the hazzle (wget and curl are very easy to work
with) there is PowerShell, which IS a Windows component. It has both
wget and curl. At least it had, I heard rumours about them being
removed as of version 7.0, dunno if that's so.
Probably... But I am always a bit reluctant with downloading
executables from the InterNet. Expecially when they come from
vague sources...
So do not download from vague sources.
BTW you are very courageous anyhow by putting a Windows box on the Internet.
So do not download from vague sources.
There are plenty of non vague sources ;)
Or you can get also the source from the sources and compile yourself. (Sadly Windows does not come with any compilers by default, another reason not to use it).
BTW you are very courageous anyhow by putting a Windows box on the Internet.
Instead of using http-based updates, direct updates via nsupdate and
rndc keys are more secure, but not that common for embedded devices
that are usually offering the http variant via their webinterface.
Instead of using http-based updates, direct updates via nsupdateYou can also place the nsupdate script on the nameserver and use ssh
and rndc keys are more secure, but not that common for embedded
devices that are usually offering the http variant via their
webinterface.
which provides the remote IP address via a shell variable. Tie the
script to a ssh pub-key and you'll have a pretty nifty and secure DDNS updater.
BTW you are very courageous anyhow by putting a Windows box on theWhy? As long as you properly firewal it, etc, there should be no
Internet.
problem.
Besides, most attempted intrusions here are using NIX commands,
or looking for NIX directories, which of course do not exist.
I did see at least one attmept to get into my router, which did
not succeed.
Why? As long as you properly firewal it, etc, there should be no
problem.
When you have to "properly firewall" something, you're very likely going some wrong way.
Besides, most attempted intrusions here are using NIX commands,
or looking for NIX directories, which of course do not exist.
I guess you mean attempts of command injection through HTTP requests. If so, your observations show the popularity of GNU/Linux-based systems amongst the internet servers, and nothing else.
AOT: regargless of network level protocols used to access them.
I did see at least one attmept to get into my router, which did
not succeed.
Just don't let it get connections from outside (except SSH for management). Removing unnecessary services would be a good start.
My 2:221/10 is a splitted node. The binkp server runs in VPS and itHow have you done this?
passes the mail bundles to my os/2 system to be processed. ;)
--Bye/2 Torsten
Tommi
My 2:221/10 is a splitted node. The binkp server runs in VPS andHow have you done this?
it passes the mail bundles to my os/2 system to be processed. ;)
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able to
answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Well, I'm sure, something like that he is using to move the binkp pakets.My 2:221/10 is a splitted node. The binkp server runs in VPS and
it passes the mail bundles to my os/2 system to be processed. ;)
How have you done this?Maybe sshfs or nfs used?
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able
to answer on my native ipv6 connection.
With best regards, Alexandr.Bye/2 Torsten
08.08.2017 20:19, Tommi Koivula schrieb an Wilfred van Velzen:
My 2:221/10 is a splitted node. The binkp server runs in VPS and it
passes the mail bundles to my os/2 system to be processed. ;)
How have you done this?
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able to
answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Bye/2 Torsten
My 2:221/10 is a splitted node. The binkp server runs in VPS and
it passes the mail bundles to my os/2 system to be processed. ;)
How have you done this?
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able to
answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Maybe sshfs or nfs used?
How have you done this?
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able
to answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Maybe sshfs or nfs used?Or ftp or google drive. :D See my reply to Torsten.
How have you done this?
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't able
to answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Maybe sshfs or nfs used?
Or ftp or google drive. :D See my reply to Torsten.Excellent! I thus made a dial-up to the VDS =)
But it's more interesting, how Tommi connected a VPS on his OS/2
Machine with IPv6.
My OS/2 (Ecomstation 2.2) has no ipv6 stack. So binkd isn't
able to answer on my native ipv6 connection.
Maybe sshfs or nfs used?
Or ftp or google drive. :D See my reply to Torsten.
Excellent! I thus made a dial-up to the VDS =)Not a big deal when you have AS5300 with E1 stream...
Not a big deal when you have AS5300 with E1 stream...
I have not yet thought how to have E1 at home =)
FS... that's dual stack (why lite?), regardless of whether IPv4
is CGNATed.
Because usually DS is NOT regardless weather you have a public v4 or
not. (DS usually means public v4/public v6; DS-Lite if you only have a public v6 address)
DS-Lite is specified here:
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6333
Dual-Stack Lite Broadband Deployments Following IPv4 Exhaustion
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