• finaly for me

    From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to All on Wed Mar 7 18:24:16 2018
    Hello All!

    all my home devices have now working on ipv6, test point is http://ipv6.junc.eu/

    ping6 -c 3 google.com
    ping -c 3 google.com

    works

    be happy

    i just get still bad results on ipv6-test sites, but why fix it ? :=)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6.10 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Mar 7 21:03:40 2018

    07 Mar 18 18:24, you wrote to All:

    all my home devices have now working on ipv6, test point is http://ipv6.junc.eu/

    :)

    === Cut ===
    trying ipv6.junc.eu [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]...
    connected
    outgoing session with ipv6.junc.eu:24554 [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]
    OPT CRAM-MD5-3d193860e4db0c9710c9c305954c5971
    Remote requests MD mode
    SYS themultixpoint.junc.eu
    ZYZ Benny Pedersen
    LOC Jersore, Dk
    NDL 300,CM,IBN
    PHN -unpublished-
    TIME Wed, 7 Mar 2018 20:01:13 +0100
    VER qico-0.57.1xe/Linux-4.9.76-gentoo-r1-(i686) binkp/1.1
    addr: 2:230/0@fidonet
    addr: 2:230/38@fidonet
    addr: 1:261/38.20@fidonet
    addr: 39:14/0@AmigaNet (n/a or busy)
    addr: 39:140/0@AmigaNet (n/a or busy)
    addr: 39:140/127@AmigaNet (n/a or busy)
    OPT MB
    TRF 0 0
    Remote has 0b of mail and 0b of files for us
    done (to 2:230/0@fidonet, OK, S/R: 0/0 (0/0 bytes))
    session closed, quitting...
    === Cut ===

    'Tommi

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Mar 7 20:40:17 2018
    Hello Benny,

    On Wednesday March 07 2018 18:24, you wrote to All:

    all my home devices have now working on ipv6, test point is http://ipv6.junc.eu/

    Good!

    i just get still bad results on ipv6-test sites, but why fix it ? :=)

    The bad results may signal something amiss that may cause problems later. What exactly are these "bad results"?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Benny Pedersen on Thu Mar 8 07:48:00 2018
    Benny Pedersen wrote to All <=-

    i just get still bad results on ipv6-test sites, but why fix it ? :=)

    Because something IS broke! :) What are the results? Often they're relatively easy fixes that will save you headaches later.


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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Mar 7 23:45:00 2018
    Hello Tommi!

    07 Mar 2018 21:03, Tommi Koivula wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    trying ipv6.junc.eu [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]...

    thanks but dont use hostnames that is not in nodelist :=)

    above hostname is not meant for my fidonet needs


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Mar 9 20:15:24 2018

    07 Mar 18 23:45:00, you wrote to me:

    07 Mar 2018 21:03, Tommi Koivula wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    trying ipv6.junc.eu [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]...

    thanks but dont use hostnames that is not in nodelist :=)

    Ok.. But the nodelisted hostname does not answer.

    === Cut ===
    20:14 [7284] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-96/CYGWIN_NT-6.1 -p -P 230/0 binkd.cfg
    20:14 [7284] creating a poll for 2:230/0@fidonet (`d' flavour)
    20:14 [7284] clientmgr started
    + 20:14 [3684] call to 2:230/0@fidonet
    20:14 [3684] trying f0.n230.z2.nodelist.fidonet.fi [2a06:4000:d078:0:e4c:1ad9:
    8af1:a3c4]...
    ? 20:14 [3684] connection to 2:230/0@fidonet failed: Connection timed out
    === Cut ===

    'Tommi

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Tommi Koivula on Fri Mar 9 15:26:44 2018

    On 2018 Mar 09 20:15:24, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    trying ipv6.junc.eu [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]...

    thanks but dont use hostnames that is not in nodelist :=)

    Ok.. But the nodelisted hostname does not answer.

    i don't see the below hostname in the nodelist...

    === Cut ===
    20:14 [7284] BEGIN, binkd/1.1a-96/CYGWIN_NT-6.1 -p -P 230/0 binkd.cfg
    20:14 [7284] creating a poll for 2:230/0@fidonet (`d' flavour)
    20:14 [7284] clientmgr started
    + 20:14 [3684] call to 2:230/0@fidonet
    20:14 [3684] trying f0.n230.z2.nodelist.fidonet.fi

    i see themultixpoint.junc.eu in both, the fidonet nodelist and the binkd.txt file...

    [2a06:4000:d078:0:e4c:1ad9:
    8af1:a3c4]...
    ? 20:14 [3684] connection to 2:230/0@fidonet failed: Connection timed out === Cut ===

    )\/(ark

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    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/1.1 to mark lewis on Sat Mar 10 09:10:48 2018

    09 Mar 18 15:26:44, you wrote to me:

    + 20:14 [3684] call to 2:230/0@fidonet
    20:14 [3684] trying f0.n230.z2.nodelist.fidonet.fi

    i see themultixpoint.junc.eu in both, the fidonet nodelist and the binkd.txt file...

    f.n.z.nodelist.fidonet.fi equals to the latest zone2 nodelist. Perhaps to your binkd.txt also.

    host themultixpoint.junc.eu

    themultixpoint.junc.eu has address 212.237.177.55
    themultixpoint.junc.eu has IPv6 address 2a06:4000:d078:0:e4c:1ad9:8af1:a3c4 themultixpoint.junc.eu mail is handled by 10 junc.eu.

    host f0.n230.z2.nodelist.fidonet.fi

    f0.n230.z2.nodelist.fidonet.fi is an alias for themultixpoint.junc.eu. themultixpoint.junc.eu has address 212.237.177.55
    themultixpoint.junc.eu has IPv6 address 2a06:4000:d078:0:e4c:1ad9:8af1:a3c4 themultixpoint.junc.eu mail is handled by 10 junc.eu.

    Would you believe the result is still the same:

    + 09:16 [8140] call to 2:230/0@fidonet
    09:16 [8140] trying themultixpoint.junc.eu [2a06:4000:d078:0:e4c:1ad9:8af1:a3c
    4]...
    ? 09:16 [8140] connection to 2:230/0@fidonet failed: Connection timed out

    'Tommi

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Tommi Koivula on Wed Mar 14 05:31:28 2018
    Hello Tommi!

    09 Mar 2018 20:15, Tommi Koivula wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Ok.. But the nodelisted hostname does not answer.

    its my buggy tp-link router that have to many clients on lan, or some otherthings on my isp that breaks ipv6 for me now

    sadly the tp-link does not allow me to syslog why, so i will replace with a better router when i have money enough for that change

    if some could advise on TP-LINK Achor C9 firmware, i know there is 3dr party firmware for it, but dont know yet if thay solve my problem or not

    i will look for AC1900 wifi with or without mesh


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to mark lewis on Wed Mar 14 05:36:48 2018
    Hello mark!

    09 Mar 2018 15:26, mark lewis wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    trying ipv6.junc.eu [2a01:7e00:e000:146::2]...
    thanks but dont use hostnames that is not in nodelist :=)
    Ok.. But the nodelisted hostname does not answer.
    i don't see the below hostname in the nodelist...

    ipv6.junc.eu is single stack hostname, just made to test if my lan computers have working ipv6 or not :=)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Mar 14 18:04:40 2018
    Hi Benny!

    Mar 14 05:31 2018, Benny Pedersen wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    if some could advise on TP-LINK Achor C9 firmware, i know there is
    3dr party firmware for it, but dont know yet if thay solve my problem
    or not

    OpenWrt/LEDE 17.01.4 supports Archer C9 v1.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Markus Reschke on Wed Mar 14 21:55:34 2018
    Hello Markus!

    14 Mar 2018 18:04, Markus Reschke wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    OpenWrt/LEDE 17.01.4 supports Archer C9 v1.

    installed :)

    all was plug and play with that firmware, what i just needed was to set static lan mac addr and do fidonet portforwards, no other configs was needed to make it work

    penguins :=)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Benny Pedersen on Wed Mar 14 23:08:14 2018
    Hi Benny!

    Mar 14 21:55 2018, Benny Pedersen wrote to Markus Reschke:

    all was plug and play with that firmware, what i just needed was to
    set static lan mac addr and do fidonet portforwards, no other configs
    was needed to make it work

    Great! And it offers plenty of IPv6 goodness ;)

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Markus Reschke on Thu Mar 15 00:10:32 2018
    Hello Markus!

    14 Mar 2018 23:08, Markus Reschke wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Great! And it offers plenty of IPv6 goodness ;)

    missing wifi firmware in that build, oh well

    solved with a wifi expander

    or could get some wifi ap hardware now

    what do others do ?


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Benny Pedersen on Thu Mar 15 11:12:54 2018
    Benny Pedersen -> Markus Reschke skrev 2018-03-14 21:55:

    Ahem, maybe not the most efficient route:

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 203/0 2

    Why?

    ..

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Markus Reschke on Thu Mar 15 17:28:06 2018
    OpenWrt/LEDE 17.01.4 supports Archer C9 v1.

    I count to 31 packages on their web site. What package do I need for my LinkSys WRT54GL?



    ..

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  • From Tommi Koivula@2:221/6 to Bjorn Felten on Thu Mar 15 19:45:20 2018

    15 Mar 18 11:12:54, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Benny Pedersen -> Markus Reschke skrev 2018-03-14 21:55:

    Ahem, maybe not the most efficient route:

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 203/0 2

    PATH: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 240/1661

    Message written, TZUTC 0100 14 Mar 18 21:55:34
    Message stored here, TZUTC 0200 14 Mar 18 23:12:16

    Looks pretty fast. :D

    'Tommi

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Tommi Koivula on Thu Mar 15 18:58:07 2018
    Looks pretty fast. :D

    Thanks to the FidoWeb yes, but still not the most efficient path from within
    R20.



    ..

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Benny Pedersen on Thu Mar 15 19:27:32 2018
    Hi Benny!

    Mar 15 00:10 2018, Benny Pedersen wrote to Markus Reschke:

    missing wifi firmware in that build, oh well

    Other hardware revision with a different WiFi chipset or WiFi chipset with proprietary driver?

    solved with a wifi expander

    or could get some wifi ap hardware now

    what do others do ?

    I'd go for a dedicated AP.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Bj÷rn Felten on Thu Mar 15 19:33:12 2018
    Hi Bj%rn!

    Mar 15 17:28 2018, Bj%rn Felten wrote to Markus Reschke:

    I count to 31 packages on their web site. What package do I need
    for my LinkSys WRT54GL?

    With 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM it isn't supported anymore by any recent OpenWrt version.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Björn Felten@2:203/2 to Markus Reschke on Thu Mar 15 20:03:44 2018
    With 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM it isn't supported anymore by any recent OpenWrt version.

    That's what I suspected. Thanks for the info though.




    ..

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Bj÷rn Felten on Thu Mar 15 23:10:04 2018
    Hello Bj%rn!

    15 Mar 2018 11:12, Bj%rn Felten wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Ahem, maybe not the most efficient route:

    my latency is low :)

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 203/0 2
    Why?

    why not ?

    i dont like to take that debate, aslong it works


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Markus Reschke on Thu Mar 15 23:18:42 2018
    Hello Markus!

    15 Mar 2018 19:27, Markus Reschke wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Other hardware revision with a different WiFi chipset or WiFi chipset with proprietary driver?

    there is 2 broadcom chipsets in that router, the one that handle wifi is not free with opensource

    solved with a wifi expander
    I'd go for a dedicated AP.

    plan:

    4G-AC68U
    RP-AC68U

    both from asus, already have the rp, just waiting for the 4G now :=)


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (1:261/38.20)
  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Bj÷rn Felten on Thu Mar 15 23:59:30 2018
    Hello Bj%rn!

    15 Mar 2018 20:03, Bj%rn Felten wrote to Markus Reschke:

    With 4MB Flash and 16MB RAM it isn't supported anymore by any recent
    OpenWrt version.
    That's what I suspected. Thanks for the info though.

    my tp-link can have opentracker6 installed on spare memory :)

    but if it had the precompiled non opensource wifi driver it will be low on storage, lol


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (1:261/38.20)
  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Björn Felten on Fri Mar 16 12:05:32 2018

    On 2018 Mar 15 18:58:06, you wrote to Tommi Koivula:

    Looks pretty fast. :D

    Thanks to the FidoWeb yes, but still not the most efficient path from within R20.

    there is no provision in anything FTN for figuring out and following the fastest path from one system to another so there's no way to figure any sort of
    ""efficient path"" from anywhere to anywhere else...

    )\/(ark

    Always Mount a Scratch Monkey
    Do you manage your own servers? If you are not running an IDS/IPS yer doin' it wrong...
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  • From Kees van Eeten@2:280/5003.4 to Bj÷rn Felten on Fri Mar 16 18:24:24 2018
    Hello Bj%rn!

    15 Mar 18 11:12, you wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    Ahem, maybe not the most efficient route:

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 203/0 2

    I agree with mark, there is no provision for the most efficient route,
    and in de the web. The fastest route is alway the winner. As the promotor
    of the Web, you should be aware of that.

    You don't want the most efficient route, suppose that route has a
    a node in it, that is only active once in 24 hours, then what, how are
    you going to decide that that is the message you want and the others should
    be treated as dupes. Or should all participants in the web have their
    system set up to process and forward immediately on receiving new
    packages, like Tommi does?

    Kees

    --- GoldED+/LNX 1.1.5
    * Origin: As for me, all I know is that, I know nothing. (2:280/5003.4)
  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to Benny Pedersen on Fri Mar 16 21:17:10 2018
    Hi Benny!

    Mar 15 23:59 2018, Benny Pedersen wrote to Bj%rn Felten:

    my tp-link can have opentracker6 installed on spare memory :)

    Meanwhile several router models with dual-core ARM and 512MB RAM are supported by OpwenWrt. For additional disk space simply add an USB stick.

    ciao,
    Markus

    ---
    * Origin: *** theca tabellaria *** (2:240/1661)
  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Markus Reschke on Fri Mar 16 22:16:08 2018
    Hello Markus!

    16 Mar 2018 21:17, Markus Reschke wrote to Benny Pedersen:

    my tp-link can have opentracker6 installed on spare memory :)

    Meanwhile several router models with dual-core ARM and 512MB RAM are supported by OpwenWrt. For additional disk space simply add an USB
    stick.

    ah if openwrt learned something from android with it :=)

    make internal storage as a /boot and then / on usb

    would make any router bigger :=)

    software in /boot should only boot signed / content

    linux kernels have already x509


    Regards Benny

    ... there can only be one way of life, and it works :)

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    * Origin: I will always keep a PC running CPM 3.0 (1:261/38.20)
  • From Alexey Vissarionov@2:5020/545 to mark lewis on Sat Mar 17 02:00:00 2018
    Good ${greeting_time}, mark!

    16 Mar 2018 12:05:32, you wrote to Bjorn Felten:

    Looks pretty fast. :D
    Thanks to the FidoWeb yes, but still not the most efficient
    path from within R20.
    there is no provision in anything FTN for figuring out and
    following the fastest path from one system to another

    Most of the Fidonet doesn't need that.

    so there's no way to figure any sort of ""efficient path"" from
    anywhere to anywhere else...

    There is at least one quite similar to OSPF, but documenting it would take a whole eternity - first translate the "brief" description from Russian, after that write an FSP... just for 10...20 more nodes to have a bit faster netmail delivery?


    --
    Alexey V. Vissarionov aka Gremlin from Kremlin
    gremlin.ru!gremlin; +vii-cmiii-cmlxxvii-mmxlviii

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Alexey Vissarionov on Sat Mar 17 10:37:46 2018

    On 2018 Mar 17 02:00:00, you wrote to me:

    Looks pretty fast. :D
    Thanks to the FidoWeb yes, but still not the most efficient path
    from within R20.
    there is no provision in anything FTN for figuring out and following
    the fastest path from one system to another

    Most of the Fidonet doesn't need that.

    exactly why i pointed it out... especially when some try to use it as an argument for using one distribution model over another ;)

    so there's no way to figure any sort of ""efficient path"" from
    anywhere to anywhere else...

    There is at least one quite similar to OSPF, but documenting it would
    take a whole eternity - first translate the "brief" description from Russian, after that write an FSP... just for 10...20 more nodes to
    have a bit faster netmail delivery?

    we're talking about echomail, though... but yes, it isn't worth it to try to do
    anything to figure it out... documenting not withstanding... it would require non-mail traffic and a lot of probing of mailers and tossers to somehow pull routing information that can be consolidated into some sort of a map... that was painful back in the day when it was done and many refused to provide such mappings because it is none of anyone else's business where one's mailer(s) connect for mail transfers...

    )\/(ark

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Kees van Eeten on Sat Mar 17 16:15:56 2018
    Hello Kees,

    On Friday March 16 2018 18:24, you wrote to Bjorn Felten:

    Ahem, maybe not the most efficient route:

    X-JAM-PATH2D: 261/38 393/68 770/1 280/464 203/0 2

    I agree with mark, there is no provision for the most efficient
    route, and in de the web. The fastest route is alway the winner. As
    the promotor of the Web, you should be aware of that.

    You don't want the most efficient route,

    It depends on the definition of "efficient". As IPv6 evangelist, I prefer a path that avoids nodes that do not support IPv6. In the above example only two nodes do not support IPv6, so while it is not optimal, it is not all that bad either...


    Cheers, Michiel

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    * Origin: he.net certified sage (2:280/5555)
  • From Markus Reschke@2:240/1661 to all on Sat Mar 17 16:21:52 2018
    Hi!

    Mar 17 10:37 2018, mark lewis wrote to Alexey Vissarionov:

    Thanks to the FidoWeb yes, but still not the most efficient path
    from within R20.

    When you deploy dupe rings the redundancy matters. Anyway, it's still FIFO, i.e. the fastest path wins even if it's longer than another one. The echomail traveling the slower path ends up in the dupe area.

    there is no provision in anything FTN for figuring out and following
    the fastest path from one system to another

    Most of the Fidonet doesn't need that.

    Something like dynamic routing for netmail would be interesting.

    so there's no way to figure any sort of ""efficient path"" from
    anywhere to anywhere else...

    There is at least one quite similar to OSPF, but documenting it would
    take a whole eternity - first translate the "brief" description from
    Russian, after that write an FSP... just for 10...20 more nodes to
    have a bit faster netmail delivery?

    Could you please elaborate on that?

    we're talking about echomail, though... but yes, it isn't worth it to
    try to do anything to figure it out... documenting not withstanding...
    it would require non-mail traffic and a lot of probing of mailers and tossers to somehow pull routing information that can be consolidated
    into some sort of a map... that was painful back in the day when it
    was done and many refused to provide such mappings because it is none
    of anyone else's business where one's mailer(s) connect for mail transfers...

    The internet wouldn't work with that attitude. But there are filters for hiding
    your secrets ;)

    I think we should move this discussion to another echo.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From mark lewis@1:3634/12.73 to Markus Reschke on Sat Mar 17 12:51:10 2018

    On 2018 Mar 17 16:21:52, you wrote to all:

    we're talking about echomail, though... but yes, it isn't worth it to
    try to do anything to figure it out... documenting not
    withstanding... it would require non-mail traffic and a lot of
    probing of mailers and tossers to somehow pull routing information
    that can be consolidated into some sort of a map... that was painful
    back in the day when it was done and many refused to provide such
    mappings because it is none of anyone else's business where one's
    mailer(s) connect for mail transfers...

    The internet wouldn't work with that attitude.

    good thing this isn't the internet, eh? -=B-)

    I think we should move this discussion to another echo.

    :shrug: i was just pointing out the fallacy... nothing more ;)

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Mar 18 08:46:00 2018
    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Kees van Eeten <=-

    It depends on the definition of "efficient". As IPv6 evangelist, I
    prefer a path that avoids nodes that do not support IPv6. In the above example only two nodes do not support IPv6, so while it is not optimal, it is not all that bad either...

    From a message transfer point of view, IP protocol doesn't matter. Most people would regard timely delivery as the measure of "efficiency". If the fastest path goes via IPv4 or even dialup, who cares? (other than people in this echo ;) ).

    That said, I will encourage IPv6 support where possible, and run IPv6 on all of my systems that support it (which is almost everything).


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  • From Benny Pedersen@1:261/38.20 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Mar 18 14:42:24 2018
    Hello Michiel!

    17 Mar 2018 16:15, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Kees van Eeten:

    MvdV> It depends on the definition of "efficient". As IPv6 evangelist, I
    MvdV> prefer a path that avoids nodes that do not support IPv6. In the
    MvdV> above example only two nodes do not support IPv6, so while it is not
    MvdV> optimal, it is not all that bad either...

    is there a rule on how many hops that ipv4 or ipv6 might take to get from point
    a to point b, how would that be in ipv10 ?, 30 or less ? :=)

    i am still seems blocked inbound on ipv6 with my isp, sorry, so i have enabled my vps xinetd redirect that still works

    i will talk with my isp tommorow about that problem, and possible why inbound ipv6 is border blocked :(

    oubound works even from global scoped ip in ifconfig


    Regards Benny

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Sun Mar 18 16:10:44 2018
    Hello Tony,

    On Sunday March 18 2018 08:46, you wrote to me:

    I prefer a path that avoids nodes that do not support IPv6. In
    the above example only two nodes do not support IPv6, so while
    it is not optimal, it is not all that bad either...

    From a message transfer point of view, IP protocol doesn't matter.

    Some claim that IPv6 is slightly faster than IPv4. http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2016-08/v6perf.html
    But even if that claim can be substantiated, it is irrelevant for Fidonet.

    Most people would regard timely delivery as the measure of
    "efficiency".

    Reliability and stability of the connection is also a factor I'd say.

    If the fastest path goes via IPv4 or even dialup, who cares?

    In the case of dialup: those who's dial up line involves cost, as often was the
    case in the POTS only days...

    (other than people in this echo ;) ).

    Well, /here/ is where the people in this echo can be found. So most of the people that read this probably do care. Call me en elitist, but supporting IPv6
    still isn't an automatism. It requires some extra effort. My guess is that those willing and able to make that extra effort have a tighter bond to their system than those who do not bother. On average of course, but my impressiosn is that there are a lot of nodes that just run on inertia rather than active sysop involvement. You will find less of those among the members of the IPv6 club.

    That said, I will encourage IPv6 support where possible, and run IPv6
    on all of my systems that support it (which is almost everything).

    Same here. Plus that when adding new links and having to make a choice, I prefer to link to the IPv6 capable node over linking to the IPv4 only node.

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Benny Pedersen on Sun Mar 18 19:45:45 2018
    Hello Benny,

    On Sunday March 18 2018 14:42, you wrote to me:

    i am still seems blocked inbound on ipv6 with my isp, sorry, so i have enabled my vps xinetd redirect that still works

    It works.

    i will talk with my isp tommorow about that problem, and possible why inbound ipv6 is border blocked :(

    oubound works even from global scoped ip in ifconfig

    So what exactly is IPv6 status now? I have listed you as IO (Incoming Only). Should I change that? Can you call my system to confirm that you have outgoing?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Mon Mar 19 10:53:00 2018
    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    From a message transfer point of view, IP protocol doesn't matter.

    Some claim that IPv6 is slightly faster than IPv4. http://www.potaroo.net/ispcol/2016-08/v6perf.html
    But even if that claim can be substantiated, it is irrelevant for Fidonet.

    Yeah any speed difference is not going to be significant for Fidonet, that's for sure.

    Most people would regard timely delivery as the measure of
    "efficiency".

    Reliability and stability of the connection is also a factor I'd say.

    Yes, I'd agree there, they impact on timely delivery too. :)

    If the fastest path goes via IPv4 or even dialup, who cares?

    In the case of dialup: those who's dial up line involves cost, as often was the case in the POTS only days...

    Yes, but if the Internet is really dodgy in some place, it's still an option.

    (other than people in this echo ;) ).

    Well, /here/ is where the people in this echo can be found. So most of the people that read this probably do care. Call me en elitist, but supporting IPv6 still isn't an automatism. It requires some extra
    effort. My guess is that those willing and able to make that extra
    effort have a tighter bond to their system than those who do not
    bother. On average of course, but my impressiosn is that there are a
    lot of nodes that just run on inertia rather than active sysop involvement. You will find less of those among the members of the IPv6 club.

    Yes, you need to take active steps in a lot of cases, IPv6 may not be automatically enabled in some Fido software (that supports it). Network wise, it depends on your ISP. Mine enables IPv6 by default and all of the routers they provide support IPv6 out of the box, so at the network level it should "just work". Wasn't the case for me, but that's because I added IPv6 before it went into production. It was still a trial service (back in early 2011), and I had to turn it on to enable the trial, once I had a router that was IPv6 capable. That trial service did eventually become the production service I'm on today.

    That said, I will encourage IPv6 support where possible, and run IPv6
    on all of my systems that support it (which is almost everything).

    Same here. Plus that when adding new links and having to make a choice,
    I prefer to link to the IPv6 capable node over linking to the IPv4 only node.

    Me too, I think around 50% of my upstream links have IPv6 here.


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Mon Mar 19 13:01:14 2018
    Hello Tony,

    On Monday March 19 2018 10:53, you wrote to me:

    On average of course, but my impressiosn is that there are a lot of
    nodes that just run on inertia rather than active sysop involvement.
    You will find less of those among the members of the IPv6 club.

    Yes, you need to take active steps in a lot of cases,

    For starters: 30% of the nodes in my list of IPv6 capable nodes still connect via a tunnel. Setting uo a tunnel certainly requires taking active steps.

    IPv6 may not be automatically enabled in some Fido software (that
    supports it). Network wise, it depends on your ISP. Mine enables IPv6
    by default and all of the routers they provide support IPv6 out of the box, so at the network level it should "just work".

    Your ISp is a pioneer. Many ISPs around the world are still dragging their feet. So " just work" is still the exception rather than te rule.

    Wasn't the case for me, but that's because I added IPv6 before it went into production. It was still a trial service (back in early 2011),
    and I had to turn it on to enable the trial, once I had a router that
    was IPv6 capable. That trial service did eventually become the
    production service I'm on today.

    I have native Dual Stack now for over a year, but my ISP is also one of the slow ones. Plus that now their policy is to go DS -Light. New customers get DS-Light. On request they can be converted ti IPv4 only. That is another spoke
    in the whell of "just work".

    Same here. Plus that when adding new links and having to make a
    choice, I prefer to link to the IPv6 capable node over linking
    to the IPv4 only node.

    Me too, I think around 50% of my upstream links have IPv6 here.

    Same here, around 50%. In future, I may even drop some IPv4 only links to up the percentage. ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 20 09:32:00 2018
    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    For starters: 30% of the nodes in my list of IPv6 capable nodes still connect via a tunnel. Setting uo a tunnel certainly requires taking active steps.

    True.

    IPv6 may not be automatically enabled in some Fido software (that
    supports it). Network wise, it depends on your ISP. Mine enables IPv6
    by default and all of the routers they provide support IPv6 out of the box, so at the network level it should "just work".

    Your ISp is a pioneer. Many ISPs around the world are still dragging their feet. So " just work" is still the exception rather than te rule.

    Yes, now you know why I chose them! :-)

    I have native Dual Stack now for over a year, but my ISP is also one of the slow ones. Plus that now their policy is to go DS -Light. New customers get DS-Light. On request they can be converted ti IPv4 only. That is another spoke in the whell of "just work".

    I've just got to 7 years of native dual stack here.

    Same here. Plus that when adding new links and having to make a
    choice, I prefer to link to the IPv6 capable node over linking
    to the IPv4 only node.

    Me too, I think around 50% of my upstream links have IPv6 here.

    Same here, around 50%. In future, I may even drop some IPv4 only links
    to up the percentage. ;-)

    That's not an option, the IPv4 uplinks are sole providers for othernets. :) While I'm a big supporter of IPv6, it's not the hill I choose to die on. :)


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Tue Mar 20 01:00:52 2018
    Hello Tony,

    On Tuesday March 20 2018 09:32, you wrote to me:

    I've just got to 7 years of native dual stack here.

    Lucky you... ;-)

    Same here, around 50%. In future, I may even drop some IPv4 only
    links to up the percentage. ;-)

    That's not an option, the IPv4 uplinks are sole providers for
    othernets. :) While I'm a big supporter of IPv6, it's not the hill I choose to die on. :)

    If in effect you are the IPv6/IPv4 gateway to those othernets, you are excused,
    ;-)

    I was not planning on dropping all IPv4 links. Just a few redundant links to massage the statistics, ;-)


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tue Mar 20 14:33:00 2018
    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Hello Tony,

    On Tuesday March 20 2018 09:32, you wrote to me:

    I've just got to 7 years of native dual stack here.

    Lucky you... ;-)

    Yeah, I'm happy about that. :)

    That's not an option, the IPv4 uplinks are sole providers for
    othernets. :) While I'm a big supporter of IPv6, it's not the hill I choose to die on. :)

    If in effect you are the IPv6/IPv4 gateway to those othernets, you are excused, ;-)

    Well, if someone did want to get an IPv6 feed, I would be happy to oblige, if the net coordinator was happy with that. Certainly a way to make sure DS-Lite nodes can be sent mail without having to poll all the time.

    I was not planning on dropping all IPv4 links. Just a few redundant
    links to massage the statistics, ;-)

    Haha fudging the books? ;)


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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Tony Langdon on Sat Mar 24 16:34:10 2018
    Hello Tony,

    On Tuesday March 20 2018 14:33, you wrote to me:

    If in effect you are the IPv6/IPv4 gateway to those othernets,
    you are excused, ;-)

    Well, if someone did want to get an IPv6 feed, I would be happy to
    oblige, if the net coordinator was happy with that. Certainly a way
    to make sure DS-Lite nodes can be sent mail without having to poll all
    the time.

    Are there any DS-Lite nodes yet over there? AFAIK there are no DS-Lite nodes in
    Fidonet yet. But if they come, it should not b a big problem to accomodate them. There are enough IPv6 nodes to give them a feed. Also there is Feste-IP.net. If DS-Lite gets a foorhold in your part of the world, I am sure similar services will surface over there.

    I was not planning on dropping all IPv4 links. Just a few
    redundant links to massage the statistics, ;-)

    Haha fudging the books? ;)

    Giving preference to one service over another is an established way to promote something.
    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Tony Langdon@3:633/410 to Michiel van der Vlist on Sun Mar 25 08:08:00 2018
    Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Tony Langdon <=-

    Are there any DS-Lite nodes yet over there? AFAIK there are no DS-Lite nodes in Fidonet yet. But if they come, it should not b a big problem

    No, no new IPv6 offerings that I'm aware of here, and my ISP is still doing full dual stack for all customers.

    to accomodate them. There are enough IPv6 nodes to give them a feed.
    Also there is Feste-IP.net. If DS-Lite gets a foorhold in your part of the world, I am sure similar services will surface over there.

    Yes, both of those factors will be a big help. My Fido uplink is also IPv6 capable, so all of my Fidonet mail comes over IPv6.

    I was not planning on dropping all IPv4 links. Just a few
    redundant links to massage the statistics, ;-)

    Haha fudging the books? ;)

    Giving preference to one service over another is an established way to promote something.

    Still fudging the books, you did use the phrase "fudging the statistics". :D


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