• Cable modem change

    From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Sat Dec 3 23:14:56 2016
    Hello Nicholas,

    On Saturday December 03 2016 08:50, you wrote to me:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/nl/firefox/addon/ipvfox/

    I find it encouraging how many content providers already support
    IPv6.

    I'm gonna snag that up right now, actually. Sounds like fun. [30
    seconds go by]

    I dig it. When I hit my own website I get a nice big 6/little 6
    display to the right of the address bar. I'll make sure to keep an eye
    on it while browsing. Thanks for the link! :)


    When you left click on the big 6, it will give you the IP address of this page plus a list of IP adresses that are associated with link on the page. Green for 6 and red for 4. Ever so often you see a mixture of green and red, indicating that we stiil are a long way from IPv6 only.

    I am not going to hold my breath either, but I think we will
    eventually see the train coming on steam. It is unavoidable.

    It's definitely unavoidable at some point. But the wait could continue
    to be quite hefty. I hope not, though.

    Now that we are beginning to see adoptation percentages way above 50% from some of the big ones, I am getting a bit more optimistic. Of course it helps that after all these years, my patience is finally rewarded and I have native IPv6. :)

    It appears I was wrong. The Ubee modem/router DOES have IPv6
    access to its web interface. But... not from a Win Xp system. On
    my laptop running Win 7, I can access the web interface via the
    link local address,

    Via the router's link local address, correct?

    Yes, the one derived from the LAN side MAC.

    The SLAAC address derived from delegated prefix and the LAN side MAC BTW, also works. Luckily that is not the only way, because that would lead to an interesteing chicken and egg problem in an IPv6 only environment. The get to know that address, you would need to get access to the router's web indetrface first... :-)

    Did you have to go to the direct link? For example, when I hit "192.168.1.1" it goes to "http://192.168.1.1/Main_Login.asp" or
    something like that, so did you use "[ipv6 address]/Main_Login.asp"?
    or did the redirection work properly for you?

    Here it is 182.168.178.1 That gest you directly to the login page.

    Also, did you have to use brackets around the IPv6 address? I remember this being an issue at one point, but some software seems to not
    require them.

    Yes, the brackets are required. They are needed to resolve the ambiguity that arises because the colon is also used as the separator between an address and a port number.

    Also see FRL-1019, FRL-1036, RFC 2732 and RFC 3986.

    Not all of the bigger ones and not in all countries. But some of
    the big ones ARE moving. In the US, Comcast, Verizon and T-Mobile
    ARE moving:

    Sure they are moving, but at turtle speed. :)

    No, some really are moving. Not greased lightning, but not frozen turtle either. Trotting speed I'd say:

    http://www.worldipv6launch.org/apps/ipv6week/measurement/images/graphs/KPN.png

    KPN is the former Dutch incumbent.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Markus Reschke@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Sun Dec 4 12:31:00 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    Dec 03 22:50 2016, Michiel van der Vlist wrote to Markus Reschke:

    MvdV> I'd be in favour of that, but I doubt it will happen any time soon.
    MvdV> With the present resistence against "rules from Brussels" the Eu
    MvdV> should thread carefully to not overplay their hand, she does not

    If the market fails we have to solve the problem by regulation.

    MvdV> jave much clout anyway. Look how long it took them to do something
    MvdV> about the extravagant roaming costs. And /that/ is something the
    MvdV> customer feels in his wallet...

    Not for data. Based on the latest developments roaming costs for data could even increase. The mobile providers got good lobbyists and the politcians forgot about their promises and the EU citizens.

    The US will have fun too with Trump dismantling the FCC. The current situation is already bad, but now it will become more worse.

    ciao,
    Markus

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Kees Van Eeten on Sun Dec 4 16:09:20 2016
    Hi Kees!

    02 Dec 2016 15:32, from Kees van Eeten -> Nicholas Boel:

    My main firewall/router/server has one Gigabit Ethernet port. That
    port is connected to a switch that supports VPN's and VPN trunking.

    VPN or VLAN?

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Sun Dec 4 16:33:22 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    03 Dec 2016 15:02, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Richard Menedetter:

    Strange ... in Austria they only offer IPv6 capable CPEs since
    some time now. The only way to avoid DS-Lite is to use an older
    CPE, which are not offered any more.
    It would seem then that Austria is ahead of The Netherlands.
    Perhaps they have even less IPv4 left?

    I do not think so.

    The same company has made their CPE config on xDSL IPv6 ready, but never activated it on xDSL.

    The Telco incumbent does not offer IPv6 for residential at all ...
    (they made a IPv6 config 4 years ago, but did not roll it out until now.

    You may be the first DS-Lite node. ;-)

    Not if I can evade it ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Kees Van Eeten@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Sun Dec 4 16:41:36 2016
    Hello Richard!

    04 Dec 16 16:10, you wrote to me:

    My main firewall/router/server has one Gigabit Ethernet port. That
    port is connected to a switch that supports VPN's and VPN trunking.

    VPN or VLAN?

    Sorry, that should be VLAN and VLAN trunking.

    Kees

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Sun Dec 4 17:08:18 2016
    Hi Nicholas!

    03 Dec 2016 09:06, from Nicholas Boel -> Michiel van der Vlist:

    Is there a difference between how SixXS operated compared to he.net?

    HE is operated by a company.
    Sixxs is a non profit.

    Meaning, it seems as though he.net makes money on this whole ordeal.
    They are in fact a DNS provider as well as a hosting facility.

    They do not make money on the tunneling or the free DNS service.
    They just gain reputation.

    Did SixXS do it this way? If not, and it was always a free service
    with no income, I can see why the guy got bored with it.

    It was always a free service.

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Markus Reschke on Sun Dec 4 22:13:24 2016
    Hello Markus,

    On Sunday December 04 2016 12:32, you wrote to me:

    MvdV>> I'd be in favour of that, but I doubt it will happen any time
    MvdV>> soon. With the present resistence against "rules from Brussels"
    MvdV>> the EU should thread carefully to not overplay her hand,

    If the market fails we have to solve the problem by regulation.

    I agree in principle. Many things just can not be left to the market alone. But experience shows that the market is very inventive in neutralising regulation... :(

    MvdV>> she does not have much clout anyway. Look how long it took them to
    MvdV>> do something about the extravagant roaming costs. And /that/ is
    MvdV>> something the customer feels in his wallet...

    Not for data. Based on the latest developments roaming costs for data could even increase.

    I hear contradicting stories.

    The mobile providers got good lobbyists and the
    politcians forgot about their promises and the EU citizens.

    Which illustrates what I just said: the EU not not have much clout when it comes to regulating Telecom. I doubt the EU is able to force the providers to roll out IPv6...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Sun Dec 4 22:28:00 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Sunday December 04 2016 16:34, you wrote to me:

    Strange ... in Austria they only offer IPv6 capable CPEs since
    some time now. The only way to avoid DS-Lite is to use an older
    CPE, which are not offered any more.

    It would seem then that Austria is ahead of The Netherlands.
    Perhaps they have even less IPv4 left?

    I do not think so.

    The same company has made their CPE config on xDSL IPv6 ready, but
    never activated it on xDSL.

    Maybe because these "IPv6 ready" CPEs were not as ready as was claimed after all? Here several IPSs have made a false start because they ran into problems with IPv6 anabled on the CPE. So it was quickly rolled back.

    The Telco incumbent does not offer IPv6 for residential at all ...
    (they made a IPv6 config 4 years ago, but did not roll it out until
    now.

    Hmmm...

    You may be the first DS-Lite node. ;-)

    Not if I can evade it ;)

    Do they have "zwangsrouter" in Austria? If so, you may not be in a position to avoid it..

    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Sun Dec 4 23:12:34 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    04 Dec 2016 22:29, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Richard Menedetter:

    The same company has made their CPE config on xDSL IPv6 ready,
    but never activated it on xDSL.
    Maybe because these "IPv6 ready" CPEs were not as ready as was claimed after all? Here several IPSs have made a false start because they ran
    into problems with IPv6 anabled on the CPE. So it was quickly rolled
    back.

    First tests did not show any issues.
    But it was never rolled out excpet a small trial group, so it may be possible that some issues lurked there.

    You may be the first DS-Lite node. ;-)
    Not if I can evade it ;)
    Do they have "zwangsrouter" in Austria?
    If so, you may not be in a position to avoid it..

    Yes.
    The cable the router is owned by the Telco.
    Same with xDSL, but there you get the user/pass to use a different CPE.
    (For vectoring enabled VDSL2 lines you need to use the whitelisted CPE).

    In both cases you can use a router behind the CPE.
    (Bridge mode in cable and "Singleuser" in xDSL)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Janne Johansson@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Mon Dec 5 09:52:46 2016
    On 2016-12-02 15:06, Nicholas Boel : Janne Johansson wrote:

    VLANs or tunnels. But the issue mentioned first, it being on the far
    end of a USB bus means it will have issues with high traffic rates, which makes it somewhat unsuitable for being a router on modern networks.

    What kind of "high traffic rates" and how "modern" of a network are we talking here? If you're on the business end of things, sure maybe so.
    But for a simple household network with capped internet speeds?

    I live in .se, so the comes-with-the-housing internet is 100/100, which
    for many practical purposes doesn't feel capped at all, and is likely
    to overwhelm an RPi router.

    Especially if you want to do filtering, nat, shaping or other things to
    the traffic while passing through and not just bilndly passing packets
    over from one port to the next.

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Mon Dec 5 13:51:28 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Sunday December 04 2016 23:13, you wrote to me:

    Maybe because these "IPv6 ready" CPEs were not as ready as was
    claimed after all? Here several IPSs have made a false start
    because they ran into problems with IPv6 anabled on the CPE. So
    it was quickly rolled back.

    First tests did not show any issues.

    Not one that was published anyway...

    But it was never rolled out excpet a small trial group, so it may be possible that some issues lurked there.

    Seems plausible.

    Do they have "zwangsrouter" in Austria?
    If so, you may not be in a position to avoid it..

    Yes.
    The cable the router is owned by the Telco.
    Same with xDSL, but there you get the user/pass to use a different
    CPE. (For vectoring enabled VDSL2 lines you need to use the
    whitelisted CPE).

    In both cases you can use a router behind the CPE.
    (Bridge mode in cable and "Singleuser" in xDSL)

    With the cable companies, you can have the modem set in bridge mode and run your own router behind it. But.... IPv4 only. No IPv6 with the modem in bridge...


    Cheers, Michiel


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  • From Nicholas Boel@1:2320/100 to Janne Johansson on Mon Dec 5 09:07:04 2016
    Hello Janne,

    On 05 Dec 16 09:54, Janne Johansson wrote to Nicholas Boel:

    What kind of "high traffic rates" and how "modern" of a network are
    we talking here? If you're on the business end of things, sure maybe
    so. But for a simple household network with capped internet speeds?

    I live in .se, so the comes-with-the-housing internet is 100/100,
    which for many practical purposes doesn't feel capped at all, and is likely to overwhelm an RPi router.

    In your case I definitely agree. However, here in the states there are still 3mb/s / 384k/s speed packages available to people that don't want to pay higher prices for more speed. I would love to have 100/100, but at the moment the highest my ISP goes is 50/5, so that's what I have.

    Especially if you want to do filtering, nat, shaping or other things
    to the traffic while passing through and not just bilndly passing
    packets over from one port to the next.

    Agreed there too. However for a hobbiest with slower internet, it's at least possible. I'm not going to try it, though. :)

    Regards,
    Nick

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Mon Dec 5 16:18:24 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    05 Dec 2016 13:52, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Richard Menedetter:

    First tests did not show any issues.
    Not one that was published anyway...

    I wrote the configuration for the CPE, and was part of the testing team ...
    I would have noticed if there were any issues ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Mon Dec 5 16:35:46 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Monday December 05 2016 16:19, you wrote to me:

    First tests did not show any issues.

    Not one that was published anyway...

    I wrote the configuration for the CPE, and was part of the testing
    team ... I would have noticed if there were any issues ;)

    AHA! But then if you were part of the beta team, were you not told why it was discontinued?


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Mon Dec 5 17:41:02 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    05 Dec 2016 16:36, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Richard Menedetter:

    I wrote the configuration for the CPE, and was part of the
    testing team ... I would have noticed if there were any issues ;)
    AHA! But then if you were part of the beta team, were you not told why
    it was discontinued?

    Nope.

    It was an internal test ... it never was rolled out to real customers.
    Also all employees got IPv6 training, and than nothing followed ...

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Tony Langdon@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Dec 6 08:04:00 2016
    N++-=> Nicholas Boel wrote to Janne Johansson <=-

    In your case I definitely agree. However, here in the states there are still 3mb/s / 384k/s speed packages available to people that don't want
    to pay higher prices for more speed. I would love to have 100/100, but
    at the moment the highest my ISP goes is 50/5, so that's what I have.

    I'm stuck wth 3(roughly)/1 - ADSL on a 4.7k long line for now. The new NBN is under construction here, and when it comes, I will be looking at upgrading to 100/40 (highest speed available)

    Agreed there too. However for a hobbiest with slower internet, it's at least possible. I'm not going to try it, though. :)

    I'd rather load up OpenWRT on a suitable router and use that. :)


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  • From Tony Langdon@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Dec 6 08:11:00 2016
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  • From Michiel Van Der Vlist@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Dec 6 01:06:12 2016
    Hello Richard,

    On Monday December 05 2016 17:42, you wrote to me:

    AHA! But then if you were part of the beta team, were you not
    told why it was discontinued?

    Nope.

    It was an internal test ... it never was rolled out to real customers. Also all employees got IPv6 training, and than nothing followed ...

    What a waste of time and energy!


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Michiel Van Der Vlist on Tue Dec 6 09:36:22 2016
    Hi Michiel!

    06 Dec 2016 01:07, from Michiel van der Vlist -> Richard Menedetter:

    It was an internal test ... it never was rolled out to real
    customers. Also all employees got IPv6 training, and than nothing
    followed ...
    What a waste of time and energy!

    Cannot argue with that ...

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Dec 6 11:52:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Nicholas!

    01 Dec 2016 13:42:12, you wrote to Markus Reschke:

    The RasPi is a bad choice for a router, since the LAN is actually
    USB based.
    Very good point. The RasPi only has an incoming ethernet port, no outgoing.

    Really? :-)

    Any and all ethernet devices are bidirectional. Possibly, you tried to say RPI has only one ethernet device, which could be either WAN or LAN, but that's also wrong, because RPI runs Linux and, therefore, supports 802.1q - so inexpensive switch like DGS-1100-08 would allow you to use up to 7 separate ethernet ports.


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@1:2320/100 to Nicholas Boel on Tue Dec 6 11:57:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Nicholas!

    02 Dec 2016 08:06:12, you wrote to Janne Johansson:

    Very good point. The RasPi only has an incoming ethernet port, no
    outgoing.
    That sentence doesn't really make sense.
    Maybe not, but I know what I was saying. My current router has an
    incoming ethernet port

    Most people call that "WAN".

    and 4 outgoing ethernet ports.

    Most people call that "LAN".

    The RasPi only has one ethernet port.

    Have a look at BPI-R1. I have one and really like it. https://www.aliexpress.com/wholesale?CatId=0&isFreeShip=y&SearchText=BPI-R1

    It's no problem to run more than one network on top of a single
    ethernet port, either in nasty ways by just overlaying them
    If you want to run your network "in nasty ways" that's your choice.
    I choose not to.

    So, you may use VLANs then.

    or with VLANs or tunnels. But the issue mentioned first, it being
    on the far end of a USB bus means it will have issues with high
    traffic rates, which makes it somewhat unsuitable for being a
    router on modern networks.
    What kind of "high traffic rates" and how "modern" of a network
    are we talking here? If you're on the business end of things, sure
    maybe so. But for a simple household network

    100 Mbit/s is generally ok, however 1 Gbit/s is much better.

    with capped internet speeds?

    I don't know (and, honestly, don't care) how the internet access speeds are capped in your country and area, but for me the "capped" speed is something in the 10...50 Mbit/s range. That means, even a device for a "simple household network" should support at least 100 Mbit/s.


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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Dec 6 12:52:00 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Richard!

    04 Dec 2016 16:10:20, you wrote to Kees Van Eeten:

    My main firewall/router/server has one Gigabit Ethernet port. That
    port is connected to a switch that supports VPN's and VPN trunking.
    VPN or VLAN?

    VPN on a switch? :-)


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  • From Richard Menedetter@1:2320/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Dec 6 11:11:10 2016
    Hi Alexey!

    06 Dec 2016 12:55, from Alexey Vissarionov -> Richard Menedetter:

    VPN on a switch? :-)

    Hey ... those are the new smart switches ;)

    CU, Ricsi

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  • From Alexey Vissarionov@1:2320/100 to Richard Menedetter on Tue Dec 6 13:41:44 2016
    Good ${greeting_time}, Richard!

    06 Dec 2016 11:12:10, you wrote to me:

    VPN on a switch? :-)
    Hey ... those are the new smart switches ;)

    They are not yet smart enough for that :-)


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  • From Kees Van Eeten@1:2320/100 to Alexey Vissarionov on Tue Dec 6 13:59:56 2016
    Hello Alexey!

    06 Dec 16 12:55, you wrote to Richard Menedetter:

    My main firewall/router/server has one Gigabit Ethernet port. That
    port is connected to a switch that supports VPN's and VPN trunking.
    VPN or VLAN?

    VPN on a switch? :-)

    No just vlan on a managed switch, but you knew that, or you did not read the
    whole read the whole message.

    Kees

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