Hello Henri!

08 Nov 16 18:22, you wrote to Moderator:

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I think you're posting here with the wrong address.

Regards,

Dennis


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09 Nov 16 09:45, you wrote to Henri Derksen:

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I think you're posting here with the wrong address.

BURN! hahahaha... excellent call, dennis! :LOL:

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Hello mark!

09 Nov 16 10:11, you wrote to me:

BURN! hahahaha... excellent call, dennis! :LOL:

;)

Dennis


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Hello Dennis,

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I think you're posting here with the wrong address.

You think correct. Thank you for remarking this.
That address is my main one, and FidoNet my first AKA.
There was no aka filled in in FrontDoor 2.02nc for this area.
It should be corrected now.
After saving this message I am sure.

Henri.

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Hello Ben Ritchey

Welcome!

The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)
-=:{ End-of-rules }:=-

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator here.
So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

Henri.

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04 Dec 16 14:42, you wrote to Moderator:

Welcome!

The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)
-=:{ End-of-rules }:=-

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator here.
So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

perhaps you can tell us who is the moderator here, henri? there's never been any election or choosing process for moderator that i know of and certainly there's been no posting of the rules by whomever you think is the moderator... the echo was started by its moderator and has been maintained by a moderator since then... echos simply do not suddenly popup into existence without someone
starting them and that someone is the moderator... that is the fidonet way and it always has been... you've been around long enough to know this...

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Hi Henri,

On 04 Dec 16 14:42, you wrote to Moderator:

The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)
-=:{ End-of-rules }:=-

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator here.
So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

Henri.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO RULES AND YOU HAVE MANAGED TO BREAK BOTH OF THEM.

:-)

Daniel

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Hello mark!

05 Dec 16, mark lewis wrote to Henri Derksen:

So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

I do support that request.
There was no rules or moderator posting since i got the echo in 2013.

That automated moderator posting is spam and the only reason for need of an moderator is that annoying spam now.

perhaps you can tell us who is the moderator here, henri? there's
never been any election or choosing process for moderator that i know
of

How could you

the echo was started by its moderator

tell that then? A single person can't start an echo, you need two at least. Anytwo can start an echo, but to make it an official fidonet echo, it must be added to the echolist, which is job of the *EC as far as i know. For your case that means, the *EC is the starter for the fidonet echo and then the *EC is the
moderartor. ;)

suddenly popup into existence without someone starting them and that someone is the moderator... that is the fidonet way and it always has been...

Fidonet is more than Zone 1 and no, it is not always that way.

My way today is that i don't want to waste my time with that kiddy-goo.

We do not need a moderator with that low traffic these days.

And we do not need to get spammed by a rules bot here.

The fact that the bots owner didn't respond here proves that he did not show resposibility for the mod job, he's just playing with bots scripts.

Regards

Kai

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Hello Daniel!

05 Dec 16, Daniel Torrey wrote to Henri Derksen:

The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator
here. So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

Henri.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO RULES AND YOU HAVE MANAGED TO BREAK BOTH OF THEM.

No, he did not. It is this so called moderator who is not playing nice. :(

Regards

Kai

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06 Dec 16 00:11, you wrote to me:

So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

I do support that request.
There was no rules or moderator posting since i got the echo in 2013.

i've been carrying the area for longer than that ;)

That automated moderator posting is spam and the only reason for need
of an moderator is that annoying spam now.

i like spam... it makes a good sandwich!

perhaps you can tell us who is the moderator here, henri? there's
never been any election or choosing process for moderator that i know
of

How could you

because i've been here for a long time?

the echo was started by its moderator

tell that then? A single person can't start an echo, you need two at

least.

nope... i can easily start a new message area and make it available for others to pull from my system... once i made the area and put it in my tosser as available to others, it became an echo... think about it, eh? ;)

Anytwo can start an echo, but to make it an official fidonet echo, it
must be added to the echolist,

nope, sorry...

which is job of the *EC as far as i know.

that is incorrect...

For your case that means, the *EC is the starter for the fidonet echo
and then the *EC is the moderartor. ;)

well, since i'm a NEC, i guess that makes me the moderator! ;) ;) ;)

suddenly popup into existence without someone starting them and that
someone is the moderator... that is the fidonet way and it always has
been...

Fidonet is more than Zone 1 and no, it is not always that way.

you guys are funny... on the one hand you don't want things to change but on the other, you're doing everything you can to change them..

My way today is that i don't want to waste my time with that
kiddy-goo.

me either...

We do not need a moderator with that low traffic these days.

says who?

And we do not need to get spammed by a rules bot here.

you sohuld try fried spam... it is pretty good :)

The fact that the bots owner didn't respond here proves that he did
not show resposibility for the mod job, he's just playing with bots scripts.

perhaps he is, as others do, ignoring henri? did'ja ever think about that? :)

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06 Dec 16 00:15, you wrote to Daniel Torrey:

The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator
here. So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

THERE ARE ONLY TWO RULES AND YOU HAVE MANAGED TO BREAK BOTH OF THEM.

No, he did not. It is this so called moderator who is not playing nice. :(

and you and henri are? really? is this playing nicely?

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Hello mark!

06 Dec 16, mark lewis wrote to Kai Richter:

There was no rules or moderator posting since i got the echo in
2013.

i've been carrying the area for longer than that ;)

Then you could tell us who was the last official mod.

A single person can't start an echo, you need two at least.

nope... i can easily start a new message area and make it available
for others to pull from my system... once i made the area and put it
in my tosser as available to others, it became an echo... think about
it, eh? ;)

As long as not other got it it's just a localarea, no matter if you config it as echo. I think i don't need to explain what an "echo" is, do i?

Fidonet is more than Zone 1 and no, it is not always that way.

you guys are funny... on the one hand you don't want things to change
but on the other, you're doing everything you can to change them..

Dunno which guys you are talking about. Change is.

My way today is that i don't want to waste my time with that
kiddy-goo.

me either...

Then don't feed it.

We do not need a moderator with that low traffic these days.

says who?

Reality.

A friendly advice from others should be enough.
(Ok, for my case, the friendly may get lost due to translation.)

The fact that the bots owner didn't respond here proves that he
did not show resposibility for the mod job, he's just playing
with bots scripts.

perhaps he is, as others do, ignoring henri? did'ja ever think about
that? :)

Yes, i wrote that above, he doesn't take responsibility.

Ignoring both of them to be not excessively annoyed cures the symtoms, but not the cause. Even if that bot posting if from an official mod, ignoring a mod isn't a good way to "play nice", cause it would lead into escalation.

Regards

Kai

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Hello mark!

06 Dec 16, mark lewis wrote to Kai Richter:

No, he did not. It is this so called moderator who is not playing
nice. :(

and you and henri are? really? is this playing nicely?

I think so. Asking to stop that spam including the word "please" is nice, i can
imagine other not so nice things to handle that.

Regards

Kai

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Hi Kai!

06 Dec 2016 00:11, from Kai Richter -> mark lewis:

So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

I do support that request.

As do I.

Please stop the unsolicited bot postings.

CU, Ricsi

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Re: Automated RULES posting.
By: Kai Richter to mark lewis on Wed Dec 07 2016 02:04:58

No, he did not. It is this so called moderator who is not playing
nice. :(

and you and henri are? really? is this playing nicely?

I think so. Asking to stop that spam including the word "please" is nice, i can imagine other not so nice things to handle that.

A moderator posting rules once a month is not spam. Ben has been the moderator for many years IIRC.
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Re: Automated RULES posting.
By: Richard Menedetter to Kai Richter on Wed Dec 07 2016 10:55:08

So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

I do support that request.

As do I.

Please stop the unsolicited bot postings.

No need to. The moderator is allowed
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07 Dec 16 01:39, you wrote to me:

There was no rules or moderator posting since i got the echo in
2013.

i've been carrying the area for longer than that ;)

Then you could tell us who was the last official mod.

what makes you think that? all i said was that i've been carrying the echo since before 2013... you and henri are the ones whining about who the moderator
is...

A single person can't start an echo, you need two at least.

nope... i can easily start a new message area and make it available
for others to pull from my system... once i made the area and put it
in my tosser as available to others, it became an echo... think about
it, eh? ;)

As long as not other got it it's just a localarea, no matter if you
config it as echo. I think i don't need to explain what an "echo" is,
do i?

if it is configured as an echo, then it is an echo... that no other systems carry does not diminish the configuration and availability...

Fidonet is more than Zone 1 and no, it is not always that way.

you guys are funny... on the one hand you don't want things to change
but on the other, you're doing everything you can to change them..

Dunno which guys you are talking about. Change is.

numerous of your Z2 brethern... some more vocal than others... certainly some who think their way is the only way and attempt to force that on others via so-called logic...

My way today is that i don't want to waste my time with that
kiddy-goo.

me either...

Then don't feed it.

same back to you...

We do not need a moderator with that low traffic these days.

says who?

Reality.

tradition says that's incorrect...

A friendly advice from others should be enough.
(Ok, for my case, the friendly may get lost due to translation.)

might be... seems to be the norm for a lot of stuff in fidonet these days :(

The fact that the bots owner didn't respond here proves that he
did not show resposibility for the mod job, he's just playing
with bots scripts.

perhaps he is, as others do, ignoring henri? did'ja ever think about
that? :)

Yes, i wrote that above, he doesn't take responsibility.

no, that's not what i said...

Ignoring both of them to be not excessively annoyed cures the symtoms,
but not the cause. Even if that bot posting if from an official mod, ignoring a mod isn't a good way to "play nice", cause it would lead
into escalation.

exactly my point! thank you :)

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07 Dec 16 02:04, you wrote to me:

No, he did not. It is this so called moderator who is not playing
nice. :(

and you and henri are? really? is this playing nicely?

I think so. Asking to stop that spam including the word "please" is nice,

no... calling it spam to start with is not nice...

i can imagine other not so nice things to handle that.

you are not alone :)

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Hello Joe!

07 Dec 16, Joe Delahaye wrote to Kai Richter:

I think so. Asking to stop that spam including the word "please"
is nice, i can imagine other not so nice things to handle that.

A moderator posting rules once a month is not spam. Ben has been the moderator for many years IIRC.

I didn't noticed and there were no automated rules posting for years and both worked fine.

There was no need to know who the moderator is, there was no need for moderation, and i don't know what happend that may require one of both.

Regards

Kai

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Hello mark!

07 Dec 16, mark lewis wrote to Kai Richter:

I think so. Asking to stop that spam including the word "please"
is nice,

no... calling it spam to start with is not nice...

Depends on the point of view. If you see it as judgement about the content and take it personally then you could not see that it's just an expression of my feelings.

And it feels like spam if i have to move the high water mark reading pointer on
all dead or low traffic echos once a month. It just wastes my time for nothing.

Regards

Kai

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Re: Automated RULES posting.
By: Kai Richter to Joe Delahaye on Wed Dec 07 2016 22:26:08

A moderator posting rules once a month is not spam. Ben has been
the moderator for many years IIRC.

I didn't noticed and there were no automated rules posting for years and both worked fine.

True, and he did mention that.

There was no need to know who the moderator is, there was no need for moderation, and i don't know what happend that may require one of both.

The two simple rules will not bother you, especially once a month. Of course that is my opinion, and yours is up above. You know what they say about opinions <G>
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Hello Henri,

Welcome!
The rules are simple: 1) Play nice! :-)
2) (see rule #1)
-=:{ End-of-rules }:=-

Sorry Ben, but YOU are NOT the elected and/or choosen moderator here.
So stop sending that automated posts of you here please.

Then who IYHO is the "Real" moderator?

In glancing backwards I see that Ben was listed as moderator back in 2002:

Moderators: Ben Ritchey, 1:393/68, fidonet@bellsouth.net
Last changed: 18-Apr-2002 by "Ben Ritchey" , 1:261/1551, "Ben Ritchey" <FIDONet@Bellsouth.net>

Why now do you feel the need to object and complain? Sending automated postings
of the rules by the listed moderator is a common practice. I do it myself in the few echos that I manage.

You state "Elected" or "Chosen". Moderators are not always either elected or chosen. Elected or chosen by who? One can start an echo of their choice, list it with themselves (Or someone else) as moderator, and begin it's distribution.
Regardless of whether you adhere to the Elisting concept in Fidonet or not.

Are the rules overly complex? I see them as a rather simple statement of what behavior is expected.

I guess I fail to see the point that you are trying to make. Except maybe to create some entertainment for yourself.

Jeff


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